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Last duke biweekly! Online prereg! $20 venue $0 entry|m2k, armada, pp, ally attending

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AlcyoNite

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I was about to post concerning my anger at nc, but now I'm SUPER pissed at cam. So you went home after skipping out on dinner with us and decided to do THIS? I am so going to chaingrab you
 
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got some decent practice.

i still hate sheik, but at least i know i can fight marths that aren't jesiah.

cam is still pretty good.

it was good to see justice again

theo needs to calm down though.
 
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i had a great time at this guys!!!

i really wish we could all just get along and play together all the time...

i had a dream last night in which my imagination had recreated the setting of this tournament/smashfest and i was edgeguarding/gimping the hell outa the fools foolish enough to try to get back onto the stage...
but...
i never woke up.

*see: real life implications*
 
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lol aasem why are all your dreams smash related.....



i only beat dop in like..... 6 matches or something..... :(

and he 4 stocked me on FD :( (oh the pain)


i like playing that guy though, if i dont pay attention, i'll get ***** badly....


but if i do pay attention, it's close, but not a guaranteed win... it's quite stressful, especially with falco, probably the most stressful character.... i was definitely getting pushed... and when i didn't push back, i payed the price, which doesn't really happen when i play other NC people, so thanks a lot for that Dop :)... yesterday certainly helped me improve, i'm moving closer for sure, i can feel it :bee:


i know you won't read this audi, but i <3 playing you


DJ, get ****ed up


crystalt1ts, you're mediocre


Moo, stfu you didn't even come


Chris, ggs, step it up, quit gettin so down on urself, i dont wanna hear no ganon johns that **** only holds you back (i can read your thoughts)





EDIT:


also theo, idk how you get so mad all the time, you really need to calm down, like srsly.... for your own health man



nah jk, i like your spirit :colorful: (♥0♥)
 
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one thing important to notice vs peach as falco is that bair goes through all her aerials except fair, which takes a long time. So unless she's coming in with a fair already set, then you can just bair her a lot of the time. If she's far away, wait and try to catch her with lasers at the end of her float, or just work on your positioning, by getting on platforms to set up a bair (or hopefully dair if you can manage it).
 
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i don't really have "i play ganon" johns, as my character actually has a lot of potential. the point at which you thought i was getting down was just me facing reality. me playing a little campier was not going to make me beat dop. i say things quietly cause i'm trying to figure out why i get *****, and i'm not a really vocal person when there's a lot on my mind.

what you said will be the grounds of my next advancement, so i appreciate that. thinking about positions and move choice based on such positions really may be the next thing i think about and analyze seriously.
 
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lord karn said:
one thing important to notice vs peach as falco is that bair goes through all her aerials except fair, which takes a long time. So unless she's coming in with a fair already set, then you can just bair her a lot of the time. If she's far away, wait and try to catch her with lasers at the end of her float, or just work on your positioning, by getting on platforms to set up a bair (or hopefully dair if you can manage it).
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This was the most important point I was going to make. If you don't use this concept peach will corner you easily and make falco look free.

Bair *****
 
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Free is a term from street fighter players.

I think it came from arcades because both players have to put money up essentially every time. I.E. if I played someone worse than me on a cab I don't have to worry about losing my quarter to him. That player is "Free".
 
lord karn

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Dark Hart said:
hey Alex

does that same thing work with Fox?

the whole bair goes through all her aerials thing?

that would be cool
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Yes, it works with fox, too. However, peach will try to be in that position much less vs fox, because grounded peach can cc fox's nair approach, so you'll see peach on the ground more vs fox at first. As fox, you'll want to be lasering and jumping around on platforms to either 1. force peach into the air or 2. get above her while she's grounded. If you get 1. then you need to just space bair usually. If you get 2. you need to fall through with bair so that it's spaced, which will then put you in a really good position to follow up.

If you're fighting a stupid peach, dash dancing and grabbing just straight *****. However, when the peach is smart and starts dash attacking and wavedashing back to space, then you can't spam dd and have to move into the positioning game. That's why you see fox's get ***** by peaches a lot. They don't know how to position themselves right to **** peach and just run into her stuff and get *****.

I don't think that made much sense.

Basically, wait for peach to make the first move and counter it. If she isn't making moves, position yourself and then **** her.
 
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I think a lot of space animals get ***** by peach because they don't have a strong neutral position game because the characters can get away with ****** people at mid and low levels with just technical efficiency.

To fight peach in both fox and falco MU you need a very strong neutral position game and awareness of spacing.

When I started playing dop at first it was bad but I just thought about it and focused on my spacing and neutral position game and things changed for me. The result was becoming more conservative and being more chess like with my gameplay. In turn I got better at every MU except falco dittos in which I got worse because the same concepts don't apply.. (seriously wtf falco dittos, the neutral position is just two falcos trading laser hits). I see this idea in high level too. Axe for example, he loses to peach a lot as falco because his falco is so aggressive. But! he's great in dittos. This happens to Shiz too. Apollo took a game off him at noob 3 and remember that Falcomist set? Same **** happens when you play like that versus marth. I mean he still won but barely.

I think one of the humps of falco is being very "controlled" because now a days the other characters have developed meta games around the super aggressive falco style. Sometimes I wish I had started playing SSBM with a character like Marth or ganon which really really relies on fundamental play.

The aggressive style of falco is so poker like. You are just gambling on whether or not people are going to react to your mix ups. This is why PP is so good his game play is so fundamental but he also has strong technical skills to apply hard damage. PP can also switch his style up if he notices a drop in his opponents defense. He had the same problem at one point though with falco dittos because of the style he developed he got through it though.
 
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Slasher_King said:
I think a lot of space animals get ***** by peach because they don't have a strong neutral position game because the characters can get away with ****** people at mid and low levels with just technical efficiency.

To fight peach in both fox and falco MU you need a very strong neutral position game and awareness of spacing.

When I started playing dop at first it was bad but I just thought about it and focused on my spacing and neutral position game and things changed for me. The result was becoming more conservative and being more chess like with my gameplay. In turn I got better at every MU except falco dittos in which I got worse because the same concepts don't apply.. (seriously wtf falco dittos, the neutral position is just two falcos trading laser hits). I see this idea in high level too. Axe for example, he loses to peach a lot as falco because his falco is so aggressive. But! he's great in dittos. This happens to Shiz too. Apollo took a game off him at noob 3 and remember that Falcomist set? Same **** happens when you play like that versus marth. I mean he still won but barely.

I think one of the humps of falco is being very "controlled" because now a days the other characters have developed meta games around the super aggressive falco style. Sometimes I wish I had started playing SSBM with a character like Marth or ganon which really really relies on fundamental play.

The aggressive style of falco is so poker like. You are just gambling on whether or not people are going to react to your mix ups. This is why PP is so good his game play is so fundamental but he also has strong technical skills to apply hard damage. PP can also switch his style up if he notices a drop in his opponents defense. He had the same problem at one point though with falco dittos because of the style he developed he got through it though.
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I agree with most of this.
 
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Slasher_King said:
I think a lot of space animals get ***** by peach because they don't have a strong neutral position game because the characters can get away with ****** people at mid and low levels with just technical efficiency.

To fight peach in both fox and falco MU you need a very strong neutral position game and awareness of spacing.

When I started playing dop at first it was bad but I just thought about it and focused on my spacing and neutral position game and things changed for me. The result was becoming more conservative and being more chess like with my gameplay. In turn I got better at every MU except falco dittos in which I got worse because the same concepts don't apply.. (seriously wtf falco dittos, the neutral position is just two falcos trading laser hits). I see this idea in high level too. Axe for example, he loses to peach a lot as falco because his falco is so aggressive. But! he's great in dittos. This happens to Shiz too. Apollo took a game off him at noob 3 and remember that Falcomist set? Same **** happens when you play like that versus marth. I mean he still won but barely.

I think one of the humps of falco is being very "controlled" because now a days the other characters have developed meta games around the super aggressive falco style. Sometimes I wish I had started playing SSBM with a character like Marth or ganon which really really relies on fundamental play.

The aggressive style of falco is so poker like. You are just gambling on whether or not people are going to react to your mix ups. This is why PP is so good his game play is so fundamental but he also has strong technical skills to apply hard damage. PP can also switch his style up if he notices a drop in his opponents defense. He had the same problem at one point though with falco dittos because of the style he developed he got through it though.
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slasher,

are you ****ing kidding me!?!?

this post

omg

cant believe

i actually read

an nc smasher

who's not pp

post like this

omg my mind

i am so very content with the world right now

because of this post

you have made my day

omfggg likeeeee

i am so happy right now

that you have said all of this

i agree 100% with everything here

thats exactly why i quit being a fox main
i wanted a fresh start at the game
one that analyzed the game from a non-"im gonna ruh you down with stuff that i think might work and then pray you dont know how to react to my super speed" standpoint

its why i am somewhat "racist" against spacie mains

its why when im watching matches, i feel like sheik/marth/peach should beat the enemy fox/falco/falcon; its just way more pleasing to see them win spacing wards and punish harder with well calculated position/combo reaction than seeing a fox n-air someone 50x into upsmash

im also very pleased to see how you look at pp's falco apart from other falcos. that's also why i am always so amazed by his falco. mango, however, also has that playstyle. i think that's why people in 09 used to say mango had the least spectacular falco; he always just did what was "correct, nothing flashy." but now, just like pp, they have both stepped up their combo games and pressure mixups so things look better and are even more effective.

i am so gald u posted that slasher; everyone in nc could use what you have said, especially because most of them main fastfallers
 
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