Kowns Thread.

[Krystedez]

I too am impressed by Maharba's perseverance through out the matchup. Now you need to work on your mixups and offensive ability, so that you can grab the lead easier at the beginning. Also, when running away, punish their obvious whiffs and attempts to get at you. When Ill was throwing turnips, you could have been shooting him with arrows.

Also, you should try to do that UpB wing refresh on Peach, it's pretty useful on her lack of good vertical acceleration / height, and lack of a good item besides turnips to hit you with.

 

[NickRiddle]

You guys were tight knit.
But then you took an arrow to the knee.

Yeah, I said it.
And now a single **** was given that day.

 

[Pitzer]

Pit vs Yoshi is Even.

 

[MegaRobMan]

Maharba got banned cuz he pm'd the mod who infracted him black nuts black nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nutsblack nuts

LOL. That's so good.

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

LOL. That's so good.

Yay, MegaRob, good to see you

I agree w/ Admiral, that comment was uncalled for. Watch your languages. Admiral, your Pit is so fun to watch!

 

[Admiral Pit]

Of course my Pit's sweet to watch, plenty of potential and light shows. I now also realize my controller (5th one of my career) has a slight issue with the joystick. It's making it harder for me to dash In the >>> direction. Hard to pivot, dash, and do some camping stuff, and glidetossing. It may put me in a small handicap, but don't think I'm giving up so easily.

 

[pitskeyblade]

Hmm... Kinda quit caring to post in here. Don't like the new name.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

Should be my social, obviously.

 

[pitskeyblade]

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Kuro~]

 

[pitskeyblade]

No.

Happy Valentine's Day, everyone. <3

 

[Admiral Pit]

Happy Valentine's Day to you Fyre! <3

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Yay, MegaRob, good to see you

I agree w/ Admiral, that comment was uncalled for. Watch your languages. Admiral, your Pit is so fun to watch!

Nono, it has long been called for.

 

[Krystedez]

Pit vs Yoshi is Even.

wtf no

Pit is +2 at least on Yoshi. But the yoshis want everything even aksfgashglhelthlehtl

I've beat Slush, Hades, Poltergust, and Zz I think, and a few other random yoshis. Its too easy.

(even three stocked anti's yoshi on wifi, his response : "MU IS SO HARD"

 

[Admiral Pit]

Well then, shall we (or just me AGAIN) get back to working on matchups and confirm that? I'm honestly having a small blind-spot on that MU, since Yoshi is almost extinct, well, not at much as PT in my view.

 

[DeLux]

Why do matchup ratios matter?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Because this is brawl and that what we do.

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

Why do matchup ratios matter?

They really don't IMO. Player skill > than a matchup. Most matchups are even @ top level. It's the player who precedes everything. Most high and mid tier matchups become more even, and too many people rely on the matchup when knowing the opponent and outplaying them is more important.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Learning Matchups are important, but as you can see, the discussions kinda died out. I just go for basic ratios to give some sort of idea on what characters to watch out for (bad ratios), but of course, the real truth is to be cautious of any character at all times. But I don't have that motivation after being betrayed.

 

[DeLux]

Because this is brawl and that what we do.

We play Brawl.

They really don't IMO. Player skill > than a matchup. Most matchups are even @ top level. It's the player who precedes everything. Most high and mid tier matchups become more even, and too many people rely on the matchup when knowing the opponent and outplaying them is more important.

Knowing the opponent and matchup knowledge aren't things that can be separated. That's why in my opinion discussing an esoteric theoretical matchup is absolutely useless. If you think of it philosophical, there exists the metagame as we play it. From the metagame, we have to consciously derive what we interpret from the metagame leaving us with a person's specific episte-game. From there, they have to put into words what they want to say about the episte-game, which means we've gone yet another tier of function down. Further, discussion is bilateral, so someone else has to interpret the written *******ization of the espite-game of the person they are discussing with. At which point, they need to consciously employ that which they interpreted to the metagame. Six degrees of separation later, the discussion never reflects the reality.

Learning Matchups are important, but as you can see, the discussions kinda died out. I just go for basic ratios to give some sort of idea on what characters to watch out for (bad ratios), but of course, the real truth is to be cautious of any character at all times. But I don't have that motivation after being betrayed.

Discussions are not how you learn matchups. You learn matchups by playing people. Nobody betrayed you because the discussions literally should have little to no bearing on how things should be played. If you want help, go get a video of you getting your *** handed to you, and then asking for a critique. That removes 2 levels of separation and interpretation on players part and you can strictly go from there from something that is practical in application.

Giving generalized statements on how matchups "should" be played is how a character sets into group think and the metagame stagnates. As someone who pushed the IC metagame to an obscene pool of options for a player to choose from, I really pity players that want to discuss how a matchup should be played in depth. The distinction of advancing things is focusing on what you could do (true metagame advancement), and not what you should do (arbitrary matchup discussion).

Here's every matchup for you: Do stuff that takes your opponent's stock before he takes yours. What you do and what he does will largely change on a game to game (let alone set to set {let alone player to player [let alone character to character]}) basis due to the magical thing we call game theory.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Easier said than done... My way is my way. I can't rely on criticism as even when I ask, it comes to me little to none (even if it does, it's usually "1-sentence" trash), and I can't allow it. Even if that don't work, my Code will at a slow rate.

 

[DeLux]

I don't even know what you just said, and I've reread it like five times >_>

And I'm known for writing things largely cryptic and vague, so I speak the language



[collapse="Motivation and the Community - By DeLux and Admiral Pit]
[2/13/2012 11:24:58 PM] Pit Pit: We can always speak here rather than flooding up the boards
[2/13/2012 11:31:42 PM] DeLux: What did you want to speak about?
[2/13/2012 11:31:59 PM] DeLux: since it's relevant to the social topic, I'll probably C&P it to the social though
[2/13/2012 11:32:25 PM] Pit Pit: You were puzzled by my message...
[2/13/2012 11:32:30 PM] DeLux: right
[2/13/2012 11:32:40 PM] Pit Pit: What part of it puzzles you most...
[2/13/2012 11:32:58 PM] DeLux: Deconstruction time:
[2/13/2012 11:33:14 PM] DeLux: "Easier said than done... My way is my way"
[2/13/2012 11:33:16 PM] DeLux: false
[2/13/2012 11:33:19 PM] DeLux: adapt or die
[2/13/2012 11:33:43 PM] Pit Pit: -_-
[2/13/2012 11:33:43 PM] DeLux: You could easily just stop complaining about things
[2/13/2012 11:33:52 PM] Pit Pit: Temper forbids me
[2/13/2012 11:34:06 PM] Pit Pit: and i dont wanna hear no "control your anger" stuff either
[2/13/2012 11:34:15 PM] DeLux: "I can't rely on criticism as even when I ask, it comes to me little to none (even if it does, it's usually "1-sentence" trash), and I can't allow it."
[2/13/2012 11:34:26 PM] DeLux: any help you get
[2/13/2012 11:34:27 PM] DeLux: is a bonus
[2/13/2012 11:34:36 PM | Edited 11:34:49 PM] DeLux: nobody is in anyway shape or form obligated to help you
[2/13/2012 11:34:42 PM] Pit Pit: the 1-sentence thing is pathetic, in which I hear "Get good" or something ridiculous
[2/13/2012 11:35:10 PM] DeLux: Then thank them for pointing out the obvious and move on
[2/13/2012 11:36:56 PM] DeLux: Otherwise any outside help you get is honestly a bonus. Taking it for granted and considering things as "trash" is a spit in the face to the community.
[2/13/2012 11:37:13 PM] Pit Pit: I wouldnt thank em for such
[2/13/2012 11:37:20 PM] DeLux: And it might just be that you aren't able to discern the value from their help because of the disconnect I mentioned in my post
[2/13/2012 11:37:43 PM] Pit Pit: I rely on detailed information, or extensive study, aka, variety of players who play the same character to study styles
[2/13/2012 11:38:12 PM] Pit Pit: by doing this, I may have a chance of finding ways to exploit certain strategies, and counter, which I've slowly been doing
[2/13/2012 11:38:51 PM] DeLux: If you rely on study of that nature to win, you will never be good.
[2/13/2012 11:38:54 PM] Pit Pit: though i complain bout higher tiers often, my hatred
[2/13/2012 11:38:57 PM] DeLux: Because you are always going to be one step behind.
[2/13/2012 11:39:04 PM] Pit Pit: I always study
[2/13/2012 11:39:30 PM] DeLux: You should be exercising your will onto your opponent.
[2/13/2012 11:39:30 PM] Pit Pit: I'm just annoyed that I'm the only Pit these days that care bout MUs, but studying alone can be painful
[2/13/2012 11:39:40 PM] DeLux: You shouldn't be annoyed.
[2/13/2012 11:39:50 PM] DeLux: MU study is like the most useless thing ever inherently.
[2/13/2012 11:41:09 PM] Pit Pit: As in...
[2/13/2012 11:41:46 PM] DeLux: You seem to want people to discuss what they should do in a MU, correct?
[2/13/2012 11:42:16 PM] Pit Pit: that and the general of the MU, including what stages to CP/ban against a certain character and why
[2/13/2012 11:43:16 PM] DeLux: MU study should be about expanding on what you COULD do in the MU. Not what you should do.
[2/13/2012 11:43:27 PM] DeLux: What stages to CP/Ban is very player dependent
[2/13/2012 11:43:37 PM] DeLux: both user and opponent
[2/13/2012 11:44:17 PM] DeLux: There is no "general MU" for the most part unless you want to only get past mid level.
[2/13/2012 11:44:36 PM] DeLux: not even past mid level, get to mid level
[2/13/2012 11:44:49 PM] Pit Pit: Anything really
[2/13/2012 11:45:12 PM] DeLux: ?
[2/13/2012 11:45:24 PM] Pit Pit: I'd be doubted if I was anything but below mid level
[2/13/2012 11:45:48 PM] DeLux: What does that even mean? >_>
[2/13/2012 11:48:03 PM] Pit Pit: I'm anything but below mid level...
[2/13/2012 11:48:21 PM] Pit Pit: as far as potential goes that is
[2/13/2012 11:50:18 PM] DeLux: Potential isn't real
[2/13/2012 11:50:30 PM] DeLux: That doesn't even make sense
[2/13/2012 11:50:49 PM] DeLux: You could potentially sleep on your hand tomorrow night, have nerve damage, and never play brawl again
[2/13/2012 11:50:59 PM] Pit Pit: So this is an insult...
[2/13/2012 11:51:12 PM] DeLux: No
[2/13/2012 11:51:44 PM] DeLux: I'm questioning your claim that you have all of this expert knowledge, but your only defense when put under scrutiny is that you have potential.
[2/13/2012 11:52:01 PM] DeLux: Normally I wouldn't do that to people.
[2/13/2012 11:52:42 PM] DeLux: But you specifically called out people for "not listening to you" when you honestly haven't given them any reason to listen from what I've seen.
[2/13/2012 11:53:47 PM] Pit Pit: Oh, I dont have all the knowledge
[2/13/2012 11:54:17 PM] Pit Pit: Let's just say that I like to discuss matchups a lot... but everyone would slack off but me
[2/13/2012 11:54:30 PM | Edited 11:54:52 PM] DeLux: But we just established discussing matchups is useless objectively speaking
[2/13/2012 11:54:31 PM] Pit Pit: Back then, I liked to help fellow Pit players improve somehow
[2/13/2012 11:54:38 PM] Pit Pit: Regardless...
[2/13/2012 11:55:18 PM] DeLux: So at which point it is just a matter of you trying to force your subjective value on to a community that by in large doesn't want it.
[2/13/2012 11:55:32 PM] DeLux: Which leads me to ask, who is really in the wrong there?
[2/13/2012 11:57:15 PM] Pit Pit: That is something i wont answer...
[2/13/2012 11:57:45 PM] DeLux: You don't have to. I already know the answer.
[2/13/2012 11:59:05 PM] DeLux: But you claim you wanted help discussing things like matchups with Pit
[2/13/2012 11:59:31 PM] DeLux: The first thing that happened when I came into the social board was you gave me whatever ego-trip speel you had that was very alienating.
[12:00:22 AM] Pit Pit: That's my blind mindset of hating top tiers
[12:00:23 AM] DeLux: What you didn't realize is that come matchup discussion, I could probably theory craft out based on internal mechanic values of characters down to IGU's who would win what trade and who could punish what option and how long and how far away they had to do it.
[12:00:42 AM] DeLux: Which I'm 99% postiive that's something you don't have the knowledge to do.
[12:00:55 AM] Pit Pit: I have my own way of doing things, and that's it
[12:01:53 AM] DeLux: That's absolutely no excuse to act how you are.
[12:02:13 AM] DeLux: Assuming you want postive goals, of course.
[12:02:27 AM] DeLux: If that isn't what you want, then by all means continue with what you were doing.
[12:03:47 AM] Pit Pit: My decision is my decision, and if I am to be betrayed and bashed for my efforts, then so be it
[12:03:53 AM] Pit Pit: No one is my ally then
[12:04:50 AM] DeLux: Well I mean, if you aren't willing to follow, then you're doomed to lead
[12:04:59 AM] DeLux: But that's on you and not the community
[12:06:01 AM] DeLux: I question your motivation because it seems like you want to leverage your self conceived knowledge of the character as a means of gaining social capital and are unhappy that people won't buy into the scheme.
[12:06:42 AM] Pit Pit: Who needs sociality?
[12:06:48 AM] DeLux: You do
[12:06:55 AM] DeLux: You just said you want to discuss things.
[12:06:57 AM] Pit Pit: I only cared bout finding ways of improving Pit, and Matchups were my ticket'
[12:07:12 AM] DeLux: Then go and make a thread
[12:07:18 AM] Pit Pit: aint motivated
[12:07:18 AM] DeLux: and just write everything you know about the matchup
[12:07:46 AM] DeLux: Then why are you complaining?
[12:10:06 AM] Pit Pit: The last time I did this project, I had to bust my time going around gaining experience, and even asking a few ppl from the other side their point of view of said matchup
[12:10:40 AM] Pit Pit: I hate doing this alone, it caused me stress, but I benefited
[12:10:42 AM] DeLux: Which we established is useless objectively speaking
[12:13:23 AM] Pit Pit: We'll see... You may think my way is useless, but to me, it isnt
[12:13:37 AM] DeLux: I don't think it's useless.
[12:13:43 AM] DeLux: I established objectively why it's useless.
[12:13:59 AM] DeLux: You have just said in refutation "my way is my way"
[12:14:55 AM] DeLux: so now you're either leveraging these discussions to improve only yourself and not the community
[12:15:05 AM] DeLux: since it really only helps you
[12:15:16 AM] DeLux: or you're not being straight with me
[12:16:33 AM] Pit Pit: Like I said, I tried to help em, didnt work, and I did the matchup thread thing years ago
[12:16:45 AM] Pit Pit: and it died very fast, just like any MU thing we try on that board
[12:16:47 AM] Pit Pit: it aint just me
[12:16:52 AM] DeLux: It didn't work because it operated on a faulty premise
[12:16:56 AM] DeLux: if it was mutually beneficial
[12:17:02 AM] DeLux: it would have lived out
[12:17:03 AM] Pit Pit: it worked for me...
[12:17:10 AM] DeLux: we already established that
[12:17:20 AM] DeLux: So you are only operating out of self interest
[12:17:33 AM] DeLux: and you can drop this whole "I want to only improve Pit" attitude you gave me
[12:18:28 AM] DeLux: Because what you want is to improve yourself and to gain social capital at the same time.
[12:19:51 AM] Pit Pit: Another mockery towards me when I tried what I could...
[12:20:02 AM] DeLux: How is that a mockery?
[12:20:03 AM] Pit Pit: if you wont understand my true way of thinking, then fine, I'm on my own
[12:20:09 AM] DeLux: I broke it down objectively
[12:20:32 AM] DeLux: You can play the pity card, but the logic is there :\
[12:22:16 AM] DeLux: But I agree, if that's how you feel, you can either withdraw (which vindicates me and proves that I'm right and you are operating out of self interest) or you can reevaluate your motives and contribute in anyway you can to improve Pit (which can be done unilaterally and does not need discussion).
[12:23:28 AM] Pit Pit: I dont need anyone's pity... I have enough potential to outbest many Pits...
[12:23:39 AM] Pit Pit: and i dont wanna hear nothing bout it being nonexistent
[12:23:50 AM] Pit Pit: I have my own beliefs, and I stand by that and a code
[12:24:15 AM] Pit Pit: And you can bash me for being wifi only all you want, though you havent yet
[12:24:23 AM] DeLux: Because it doesn't matter to me
[12:24:31 AM] Pit Pit: Then I am useless
[12:24:38 AM] DeLux: I am evaluating your arguments objectively
[12:24:45 AM] Pit Pit: and you hate me for what i think
[12:24:53 AM] DeLux: No
[12:25:05 AM] DeLux: I didn't say hate or anything
[12:25:05 AM] Pit Pit: I cant even be happy for what I can do
[12:25:27 AM] DeLux: Although it's frustrating to see that you know you have potential, but won't take the steps to realize it.
[12:25:36 AM] DeLux: You have the potential to help the community.
[12:25:47 AM] DeLux: You hold it over people's heads as leverage for some sort of social capital
[12:25:52 AM] DeLux: so yeah
[12:25:55 AM] DeLux: you have potential
[12:25:57 AM] Pit Pit: I cant go offline!
[12:26:01 AM] DeLux: and you are using it for reasons that are not good
[12:26:09 AM] DeLux: I didn't say anything about going online/offline or whatever.
[12:26:13 AM] Pit Pit: The only thing I can do is find a way to be an influence to help ppl
[12:26:27 AM] DeLux: I'm saying you go to the Pit Boards and are like, "If he had my influence and help he'd be better."
[12:26:41 AM] DeLux: Then YOU DON'T HELP
[12:26:41 AM] Pit Pit: Oh, then you came at a late time, that's all
[12:26:52 AM] Pit Pit: I should explain it
[12:27:18 AM] DeLux: You don't need to.
[12:27:26 AM] DeLux: There are no circumstances that mitigates it.
[12:27:31 AM] Pit Pit: w/e that be
[12:27:37 AM] DeLux: You are using your potential for self gain.
[12:27:47 AM] DeLux: And are stagnating your character's metagame.
[12:28:18 AM] Pit Pit: It aint just potential; it's seeing, observing, and comparioson
[12:28:28 AM] Pit Pit: or however you spell it
[12:28:43 AM] DeLux: You are trying to overcomplicate it.
[12:28:47 AM] DeLux: It's simple.
[12:28:48 AM] DeLux: You have the potential to help.
[12:28:53 AM] DeLux: You choose not to.
[12:28:57 AM] DeLux: You are part of the problem.
[12:29:10 AM] Pit Pit: If you think you know everythinig, then you show me, after all the time I spent
[12:29:17 AM] DeLux: You have the potential to help
[12:29:22 AM] DeLux: You are choosing not to.
[12:29:24 AM] Pit Pit: They're not willing to, you trust me
[12:29:26 AM] DeLux: You are part of the problem
[12:29:35 AM] Pit Pit: I aint going for that small discussion crap
[12:29:41 AM] DeLux: It's the truth.
[12:29:41 AM] Pit Pit: I want in-depth, of the true way of helping
[12:29:59 AM | Edited 12:30:42 AM] DeLux: If you won't accept it, you're just making excuses
[12:30:07 AM] DeLux: hiding behind some facade you've built up
[12:30:21 AM] DeLux: and either way you're not helping despite you saying you have the potential to.
[12:30:25 AM] DeLux: It's a waste
[12:30:41 AM] Pit Pit: It's obvious you do not want me to be of any help
[12:30:48 AM] DeLux: ...
[12:31:07 AM] DeLux: [12:22 AM] DeLux:

<<< But I agree, if that's how you feel, you can either withdraw (which vindicates me and proves that I'm right and you are operating out of self interest) or you can reevaluate your motives and contribute in anyway you can to improve Pit (which can be done unilaterally and does not need discussion).
[12:31:10 AM] Pit Pit: You make things too simple for me to understand
[12:31:11 AM] DeLux: You are choosing that for yourself.
[12:31:43 AM] DeLux: And if that's the case, you aren't worth the trouble of trying to work with.
[12:32:27 AM] Pit Pit: Insults... That's all I see now
[12:32:50 AM] DeLux: Your choice, not mine.
[12:32:52 AM] Pit Pit: You won't explain how you done it, you don't even look at my work from the past that I've kept
[12:33:27 AM] DeLux: I don't need to. I've already helped and keep helping. Everything else doesn't really matter to me.
[12:34:02 AM] Pit Pit: in other words, keeping your secrets to how to help to yourself...
[12:34:11 AM] DeLux: Go make a thread
[12:34:18 AM] DeLux: and tell them what you know
[12:34:18 AM] DeLux: ok
[12:34:19 AM] DeLux: done
[12:34:46 AM] Pit Pit: I could do that, if my info wasn't outdated, and if they were actually motivated to discuss the MUs
[12:34:54 AM] DeLux: Why do they need to discuss
[12:34:56 AM] DeLux: MUs
[12:35:06 AM] DeLux: How do they know what you know?
[12:35:10 AM] DeLux: lol
[12:35:16 AM] DeLux: that's a horrible excuse
[12:35:22 AM] DeLux: Just tell them what you know
[12:35:25 AM] DeLux: and leave it at that
[12:35:36 AM] Pit Pit: I dont think they deserve it
[12:35:57 AM] Pit Pit: I gave em some of my info from the document I have today, from back in 2009-2010,
[12:35:59 AM] DeLux: Then you are operating out of self interest
[12:36:08 AM] DeLux: and you are wasting any potential you have
[12:36:10 AM] Pit Pit: I even made about 7 threads back then for em, and it died
[12:36:36 AM] DeLux: Threads die
[12:36:37 AM] DeLux: who cares
[12:36:45 AM] DeLux: you did what you could
[12:36:47 AM] DeLux: doesn't mean you stop
[12:37:02 AM] Pit Pit: That's my issue
[12:37:05 AM] DeLux: Yup
[12:37:09 AM] DeLux: And if it's your issue
[12:37:13 AM] DeLux: STOP FORCING IT ON EVERYONE ELSE
[12:37:14 AM] DeLux: deal with it
[12:37:24 AM] Pit Pit: They just aint interested in MUs, period
[12:37:28 AM] DeLux: who cares
[12:37:29 AM] DeLux: then the thread dies
[12:37:31 AM] DeLux: at least you tried
[12:38:11 AM] DeLux: That should be enough
[12:38:20 AM] Pit Pit: Then I already did try to help
[12:38:25 AM] DeLux: Keep trying
[12:38:36 AM] DeLux: IDGAF if you tried before
[12:38:51 AM] Pit Pit: I lost my motive recently to do such a thing
[12:39:04 AM] DeLux: then you have no right to excuse people of not being helpful
[12:39:17 AM] Pit Pit: The difference is that I actually tried, they didnt
[12:39:48 AM] DeLux: nope
[12:39:56 AM] DeLux: The difference is
[12:40:02 AM] Pit Pit: I can see my threads now and think about it
[12:40:03 AM] DeLux: you have the capacity to help but choose not to
[12:40:13 AM] Pit Pit: again, "used to"
[12:40:20 AM] DeLux: nope
[12:40:28 AM] Pit Pit: Why would i want to help those who dont even care
[12:40:38 AM] DeLux: Because you are trying to help pit
[12:40:45 AM] DeLux: You are not even being logical
[12:40:52 AM] DeLux: this conversation is getting nowhere
[12:41:06 AM] Pit Pit: I hate myself for my frequent anger and blindness
[12:41:41 AM] DeLux: Well pro tip: drop the attitude and try to help and maybe people will listen
[12:41:44 AM] DeLux: maybe they won't
[12:41:46 AM] DeLux: that doesn't matter
[12:41:55 AM] DeLux: but try because you owe it to your potential
[12:41:59 AM] DeLux: that's all I'm going to say
[12:42:04 AM] DeLux: C&Ping this to the Pit social
[12:42:05 AM] DeLux: going to bed
[12:42:06 AM] DeLux: seeya

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[MegaRobMan]

Why do matchup ratios matter?

Why does Lux appear in every thread I go into and derail it to relevant things.

Yay, MegaRob, good to see you

 

[DeLux]

???

I've been working on maining Pit for like a month now since Apex :\

 

[Krystedez]

DeLux that was an amazingly englightening conversation be that it may be a bit intrusive but you were very objective. Admiral has his own way of operating out of his love for the character nothing more nothing less. Basically, we have to love Pit and be aware of those involved and those who are not. Admiral holds high regard for those involved that do not question the logic of the discussion. In my mind, I think Admiral simply needs someone with him to help him gain insight. That someone could also be someone to help him discuss and confer knowledge to others in other forms besides Matchup analysis.

I like Admiral for what he is. I think he can change, though, but on his own pace And that change will be on his terms. Your conversation basically holds exactly what most people's thoughts are toward matchup analysis, including my own. I like it though, it's interesting to think about what "could" be done. That's all I ever look at it as.

When people ask me for advice, it's typically "get-good-quick" advice. I really don't have such nonsensical material. So what I go for is attacking their bad habits and their problems, not the character choice and game itself.

EDIT: Also I am strangely reminded of our "fun" ICs v Pit matchup discussion lolololol

 

[DeLux]

Yeah, I apologize if it was intrusive at all. I was hoping that the conversation would serve as a wake up call. I empathize with AP's plight because I was like he was for the IC boards. When it came time to withdraw or reevaluate my motives, I took some time but eventually came around.

I'll put it this way: I'm playing Pit because I want to help out a couple of my players locally. I also took note of how well you transitioned to the character along with your Wario accolades. Then I saw the horrible in production quality but high in metagame option pool advancing video from Maharba. Also, there's a Pit player who I won't name specifically that I feel like my writing ability cannot do positive justice despite my verbosity.

It definitely wouldn't have been because you guys discussed MU's if that stuff did happen.

 

[Admiral Pit]

What made you think that it was necessary and right to post that private stuff here! Whatever... I've dealt with worse. I will demand some matches, and you'll see what I've learned through my way of studying and observation, in which any detail I see fit can be of help.

EDIT: And some of those will be Pit dittos since you're in my territory.

 

[C.S. Dinah]

You should play me so I could get better at dealing with Pit planking.

I know you're just too good at that!

 

[Krystedez]

What made you think that it was necessary and right to post that private stuff here!

[2/13/2012 11:24:58 PM] Pit Pit: We can always speak here rather than flooding up the boards
[2/13/2012 11:31:42 PM] DeLux: What did you want to speak about?
[2/13/2012 11:31:59 PM] DeLux: since it's relevant to the social topic, I'll probably C&P it to the social though

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[12:42:04 AM] DeLux: C&Ping this to the Pit social
[12:42:05 AM] DeLux: going to bed
[12:42:06 AM] DeLux: seeya

I believe he "asked" your permission, but you never really responsed yes or no, so he thought it was perfectly fine to post it.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Well apparently he left before I could say anything else! He made a mistake, and if you knew me long enough, you'd know I would never agree to this. I only decided to speak to him there so we wouldn't flood this board with such talk! And for the record, I didnt know what C&P meant til now. I don't accept this, not at all. Like I said, too simple for me to understand...
And no, he didn't "Ask."

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

not simple enough apparently lmao

 

[DeLux]

[12:42:04 AM] DeLux: C&Ping this to the Pit social
[12:42:05 AM] DeLux: going to bed
[12:42:06 AM] DeLux: seeya
[12:42:06 AM] Pit Pit: Temper is my middle name
[12:42:20 AM] Pit Pit: do what you wish, and I'll go my way


Not sure where I was supposed to get out of that "Hey, even though you said that you are going to talk under the condition that you're going to copy and paste to the pit social and when you say you're going to copy and paste to the social I say 'do what you wish', I really meant this is private and shouldn't be shared"

 

[Kuro~]

Gonna have some vids up tonight i hope.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I was speaking about I'll let you help the way you want to (and bout you going to bed), and I help the way I want to. I sill wish that convo was removed from here. I don't like many knowing such things. Thankfully I didn't say one of my true secrets, about the "Code" and what it was. Kuro knows, though, but don't tell em.

 

[DeLux]

Let the mod of this forum decide.

I think it should remain up because it doesn't violate forum policy. A third party objectively evaluated it "enlightening", "objective", and "basically holds exactly what most people's thoughts are toward matchup analysis". It has no infraction worthy material. I received permission both implicitly (by stating I was going to copy and paste it to this thread up front) and explicitly ("do as you wish"). It is on topic for the social forum as well.

Saying your consent was, "I'll let you help the way you want to (and bout you going to bed)" is an absolute joke. You have no authority to say how I can or can't help. I do not need your permission to go to bed or end a conversation. I wasn't angry before and was only trying to help you, but the fact you're even calling this kind of thing into question does make me angry.

I operated objectively. I explained why what you want to do doesn't help objectively. I exposed your motives as selfish objectively. Change or withdraw. Help or don't. But no need to actually mudsling and call my credibility into question when all I did was present the objective truth to you and you didn't like it.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Then I got some persuading to do since you insult me yet again for how I do things. When we do have those matches, I won't be so nice.

 

[Kuro~]

Ya i couldn't legitimately remove that without being presented as favoring one individual over another as lux didn't really break any rules. AP, if it's really THAT big of a deal then pm or skype me about it.

Also, have like...7 vids recording now.

 

[MegaRobMan]

Damn I started reading the pit boards at the right time, thanks for the namesearch bait, Kuro!

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Hey guys I posted in some matchup threads. Tell me what you think and I would love for you Pits to start discussing with me again. We need to discuss MUs and such to improve Pit or he will fall out of the sky and our high hopes of rising him on the tier list will vanish into the everlasting abysssssss

 

[Admiral Pit]

Finally see it my way, huh? Keep showing me that you really want to continue, and I can bring in some of my remaining Matchup data that I had kept (and worked on a document) since 2009. Who knows? If you do really well to convince me, I may even revise some of the stuff and continue my operations, since even I couldn't get all the matchups set up. Take note that some stuff were also about Pit being in dubs, and rating his partners, which was my 2nd project.

I guess I can discuss from time to time if you really mean it. We keep it going, and I'll be more willing to provide my other info, as said before.