King Dedede in 2v2 Battles

[KrazyGlue]

I've seen lots of good discussion about Dedede's metagame, recovery, etc. However, I use Dedede a lot in 2v2 battles as well, and I don't think his doubles strategies should be ignored. So, if anyone is willing to help me out in coming up with 2v2 strategies, post here!

 

[sMexy-Blu]

DeDeDe and his partner can abuse the chaingrab really well against a lot of characters, When your opponent's enemy is dead you just practically gotta chaingrab him till your partner kills him, GG.

Waddle Dee's are best used in Doubles IMO because when you throw a Waddle Dee it will stay there most likely doing random stuff and sometimes they'll even KO your opponent or mess there recovery,

Partner grab release -> Into Hammer is epic.

 

[Mythic02]

Don't forget the possiblity of a fallthrough glitch. Man would they be pissed if you use that.

Also in 2 vs. 2's Start out with a waddle dee in case of excessive projectile spamming. I try to take center stage right away in case the partner isn't paying attention or is charging something. Don't be afraid to be a human shield in this because it is a good chance dedede is the heavier of the 2. When people edgehog your partner try to WoP the hogger/guarder to allow your opponent to recover. This is crucial since you have awesome recovering skills while your partner might not.

And yeah chain grabs to partner kills are often the way to go. Don't forget to rack up damage when your partner is just holding someone. Shield don't dodge and, yeah just go with your gut.

 

[Vayseth]

lain and Judge! combo ftw. I'll have lain tell you guys if he wants.

Best thing to do with D3 is run around spamming grab and bair. Chain grab opponents and if you see their partner coming forward or back throw them into the partner so they both get hit. Grabs + bair = d3 doubles. Use up tilt to kill ONLY. It's your best kill move in doubles and likely where you will get a lot of your early kills. If you are super high in percent (likely) use a Dededecide. Gettting a dedecide on someone when you have 3 stocks and they have 2 can REALLY end a match for the other team.

 

[Gates]

So I herd fsmash in doubles isn't that bad. Is that true?

 

[sMexy-Blu]

Wow, nobody has even mention the MOCKo Combo.. shame on you guys. *facepalm*

 

[Jupz]

Well what about the double DDD infinite? Makes two d3s the best in teams Dthrow->Dthrow

 

[KrazyGlue]

So I herd fsmash in doubles isn't that bad. Is that true?

Yeah, if both enemies are off stage and Dedede's partner tries to attack them, they won't be paying attention to Dedede charging his smash. And they're really screwed if they have to use thier up-b. So it's not that bad.

And what's the MOCKo combo?

 

[Taeran]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217063

 

[Gates]

Wow, nobody has even mention the MOCKo Combo.. shame on you guys. *facepalm*

It goes without saying :D

 

[KrazyGlue]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217063

Oh. Well, can it be done with characters other than wario?

 

[CRASHiC]

You could also pull it off with Diddy's banana's or anything that causes a 100 percent trip.

 

[Taeran]

You can get a grab from a tripping move, like D3's bair...at low percents.

 

[ANTi_]

Snake + DDD Combo

DDD --> D-Throw
Snake --> F-smash

getsemeverytime

 

[Gates]

Snake + DDD Combo

DDD --> D-Throw
Snake --> F-smash

getsemeverytime

You could also do Snake Dthrow -> Dedede Fsmash.
You could also do Dedede dthrow -> Snake dthrow
You could also do Snake fsmash -> Dedede fsmash

Spoiler

In theory

 

[KrazyGlue]

Ok, what about more general things, like whether to play him defensively or offensively? It kind of seems like it would be hard to pull off that combo unless one of the opponents was dead.

 

[Vayseth]

After I finish my chain grab thread I wanted to work on a King Dedede 2v2 combo tutorial. It'd be so fun =)

 

[CRASHiC]

Pokemon Trainer.
Squirtle to keep em annoyed, water gun em into forward smash
Then when only one is left, ivysaur, his bullet seed makes a wall for you to chain grab off of

 

[sMexy-Blu]

I use my opponent to kill his partner with inhale, works well for me.

If my partner lost all his stocks I start planking like ****ing Plank.

kthxbai

 

[KrazyGlue]

I hate to say it... but Dedede's usually pretty screwed in 1 on 2. Unless:

-His two opponents have high damage and are on their last lives
-He has 2 or more stock left and can share stock
-One opponent kills the other one

That's what I think, anyway.

 

[daisho]

I hate to say it... but Dedede's usually pretty screwed in 1 on 2. Unless:

-His two opponents have high damage and are on their last lives
-He has 2 or more stock left and can share stock
-One opponent kills the other one

That's what I think, anyway.

Don't forget, one opponent is mid percent and is light (u tilt ftw) and the other is an infinitable character.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Don't forget, one opponent is mid percent and is light (u tilt ftw) and the other is an infinitable character.

Yeah, but my point is his chances are slim.

 

[Gates]

I think I meant to add this to my directory thread but forgot.

My bad.

 

[KrazyGlue]

So...
what about matchups?

Who are good partners (good for combos or just good in general)? What teams are tough matchups?

 

[sMexy-Blu]

D3 - DK. Normally a good team, both live long and both are too strong.

D3 - MK is probably the most broken team in brawl.

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

2 DDD's

Perfectly place them,try to have both of them grab a charcter.

Chain wall to utilt death both oppenents.

 

[KrazyGlue]

D3 - DK. Normally a good team, both live long and both are too strong.

D3 - MK is probably the most broken team in brawl.

Yeah, that's probably two pretty good teams.

2 DDD's

Perfectly place them,try to have both of them grab a charcter.

Chain wall to utilt death both oppenents.

That could work... but you'd pretty much have to grab them at the same time.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

Here are some matches of my ddd with g-reg's snake getting 2nd at C3.


Vs Azen/Chillen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqIVjfRJ5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BITME1cP7ao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0mdnwC36SI

Vs Boss/Candy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwz_IYfzicY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9j-aNWwsXs

Vs Chudat/Forte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDNSIMf0PKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTOzXQSE1GM

Vs M2k/Dsf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6foGKyqCFfA




Hope these help.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Here are some matches of my ddd with g-reg's snake getting 2nd at C3.


Vs Azen/Chillen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqIVjfRJ5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BITME1cP7ao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0mdnwC36SI

Vs Boss/Candy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwz_IYfzicY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9j-aNWwsXs

Vs Chudat/Forte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDNSIMf0PKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTOzXQSE1GM

Vs M2k/Dsf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6foGKyqCFfA




Hope these help.

Nice vids. So I guess Snake is a pretty good partner... so why'd you change your character to MetaKnight?

 

[Commander_Beef]

King Dedede can help with partner's recovery with fast-falling neutral air to make the partner's knockback go up. (Especially Olimar as a partner.)

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

mk is better in 2-1's where he's the one, and can save his partner more easily and such.

 

[lain]

DDD is really good on teams unless the team is like double metaknight, or metaknight [insert annoying character against ddd here].

For teams like that I just go metaknight now, because ddd against metaknight(s) on teams can be annoying at times. tornado is gay as hell. but if it's like metaknight snake i'd go ddd. it just depends on what the OTHER character is.

ddd's dthrow cg team combos are super abusable, and you can always let your partner grab release into your utilt or something.

ftilt can just disrupt things for your partner if they are looking a little messy. ddd also lives til forever, while being able to gimp pretty much anything.

 

[KrazyGlue]

King Dedede can help with partner's recovery with fast-falling neutral air to make the partner's knockback go up. (Especially Olimar as a partner.)

That's true.

DDD is really good on teams unless the team is like double metaknight, or metaknight [insert annoying character against ddd here].

For teams like that I just go metaknight now, because ddd against metaknight(s) on teams can be annoying at times. tornado is gay as hell. but if it's like metaknight snake i'd go ddd. it just depends on what the OTHER character is.

ddd's dthrow cg team combos are super abusable, and you can always let your partner grab release into your utilt or something.

ftilt can just disrupt things for your partner if they are looking a little messy. ddd also lives til forever, while being able to gimp pretty much anything.

I hate mk...

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Instead of having this thread just to help me (although I'm happy to get advice) I had other things in mind. I made this to be more of a general discussion area for 2v2 strategies, possibly even resulting in a simple 2v2 guide. I'm still open to good advice, but actual discussion would be good as well.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Would this count as a 2v2 with King Dedede involved lol. Remember to read the description first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJXVvHmG5ew&feature=channel_page

 

[ANTi_]

Best match to show an example of what solely a mk tornado can do against ddd in teams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJVYM73xVvA

 

[Commander_Beef]

Best match to show an example of what solely a mk tornado can do against ddd in teams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJVYM73xVvA

Hey your video can't be viewed because it says the pop-up is "blocked". Try reposting it ;D.