KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[thrillagorilla]

So I had a pretty good experience with Kirby once I got the hang of him down a bit. Fresh Fsmashes are disgustingly good killers. Only thing I noticed was that sometimes Kirby would randomly land on stage unable to move or whatever. I figured it was RCO, but like... it would happen after up bs on stage. Does it not carry over unless I land without doing an action, Wario doesn't really have this issue, so I haven't noticed?

Yeah, that's phantom lag. Any time you use Hammer or cutter in the air its going to happen. Theoretically you can get rid of it if you use an aerial before landing, but that hasn't been confirmed. I'm planning on doing some testing to see what cancels it and what doesn't and post it, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[PhantomX]

Ah, that stuff is super annoying... throws me off so hard, lol.

 

[Asdioh]

Fresh Fsmashes are disgustingly good killers.

Bah, coming from a Wario.

OLOL IASA AND SUPERARMOR FRAMES LOOLLOLL

Only thing I noticed was that sometimes Kirby would randomly land on stage unable to move or whatever. I figured it was RCO, but like... it would happen after up bs on stage. Does it not carry over unless I land without doing an action, Wario doesn't really have this issue, so I haven't noticed?

Wait.

>_>

Wait.

Kirby gets lag from Final Cutter?

So like, you use Final Cutter onstage.

Then the next time you land, you get lag?

I thought I tested Final Cutter, but maybe that was on the ledge. I don't remember it getting lag on the ledge.

Grounded Hammer, Aerial Hammer, and Stone all give you RCO (whatever the HELL RCO stands for, I looked it up once on the Ganon boards because they were talking about it everywhere, and of course I couldn't find it)

I assume RCO is the same thing as the "triple jump glitch" or "phantom lag" but I don't know what the acronym means. "Phantom

Spoiler

X

Lag" is the best term I've heard for it.


Anyway, dammit that's stupid if FC gives you lag.

 

[thrillagorilla]

Ah, my bad! FC doesn't carry phantom lag, just Hammer and Stone. As for my statement that aerials cancel out phantom lag... its partially true. It takes a bit less than 1 second to recover from normal PL, but if you perform an aerial and land before the move is over, you can move faster than if you simply land. The amount of lag seems to vary depending on when you land during the aerial... There were times where the lag was horrendous (same as normal PL) and once or twice where there simply was none. It would be great if someone with the frame by frame hack would test this out to see what frames of aerials cancel out PL. The most successful aerial seems to be nair, with bair in a close second. All this is theory from looking at the clock on slow-brawl, so without a frame by frame analysis I can't be sure.

 

[A1lion835]

Final Cutter doesn't carry phantom lag, but phantom lag isn't dispelled when you land with cutter, which is probably what you've been seeing (lol it should, because landing takes 3x as long with the cutter). If you land with an aerial you take that aerial's lag instead of the phantom lag...according to t1mmy, the only way to completely kill phantom lag is to lose a stock.

 

[PhantomX]

What you're talking about is probably what happened, lion. Dang, that seems like some poor programming. I can't think of any other character that suffers from Phantom Lag after their specials that isn't from sweetspotting ledges :\

 

[momochuu]

Falcon and Ganon do IIRC.

 

[PhantomX]

I don't know about Falcon, but I play Ganon, and he only suffers from Recovery Carry Over lag, not this phantom lag stuff.

 

[fromundaman]

Landing with Nair eliminates this lag. I now do empty SH Nairs after almost every special I use.

 

[A1lion835]

Yea...I can IMAGINE that MAYBE, just MAYBE that phantom lag was programmed in so that you couldn't eliminate landing lag by grabbing the ledge...but it's stupid...stone? GROUNDED hammer? I guess the programmers were all in the bar now known as "Where Tripping Started."

Fromundaman, that's because nair actually doesn't autocancel. If you slow down the time in training to 1/4th, you'll see that one of his stubs is stuck for a fraction of a second.

 

[TheUmbreonMonarchy]

I know that D3 is good vs snake, notice how I only mentioned marth. UmbreonMonarchy's snake is fun to play...in the "no time to think" sort of sense. Srsly, I can't read him because I'm too busy avoiding all the assplosions.

I'm broken.

Anyways, hi.

Don't approach Snake, for he'll set a wall of explosives. Just concentrate on avoiding his grenades and/or PSing them. Eventually he'll get bored and approach, usually with a Snakedash. At that point, punish and start doing strings. Don't give him time to set himself up again.

Anyway, that's been working for me. Even Ally fell into a similar pattern.

I'll literally stand in one place, throwing Grenades, and wait for you to approach. I have patience like that. If the timer runs out, mission accomplished.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Ally is the only Snake that Gives me a Challenge...Every other Snake Player is so Easy to read....That's why I Rarely lose to them...

 

[CaliburChamp]

There's many more good Snakes than just Ally. Kirby players would do better offline than online vs Snake.

 

[:mad:]

That's not entirely true, I mean, the Snake will be running into a lot of Fsmashes.
Kind of like playing Wifike.

Also, he never said there weren't any other good Snake players besides Ally. Ally's just the only one that gives him trouble.

 

[Asdioh]

I've had more trouble against other Snakes than I did against Ally >_>

Maybe he wasn't trying very hard, but certain playstyles/experience can make it harder. From what I understand, Ally doesn't like the Kirby matchup very much. Some of the other Snakes I've played aren't as good as Ally, but have more Kirby experience. Like I recently played Smash64 in a tournament, and he started using Snake not long ago. I beat him the first game, but after that I couldn't pull it off. Maybe it's because YbM is in his crew so he has plenty of Kirby experience...

And YbM plays this guy regularly so he has plenty of Snake experience...

*insert usual complaint about lack of practice partners here*

 

[Y.b.M.]

It's exactly as Straked Says. I've played some Really good Snakes...Nope(Mholtz) has a Good one, and My Teammate Smash 64 has a good one. But IMO they are easy to read...And Ally has a very unpredictable kind of play style that I can't quite understand as of yet...I've played him sand bagging and Seriously....He's good...I almost defeated him When he played seriously...Guess I'll get him at the Next Tournament.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ I have to deal with Hot_ArmS on my next tourney, and I seen how good his Snake is. x_x ☆

 

[Y.b.M.]

I beat Hot Arms Online....

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Really? I guess he must be cake easy offline since he hasn't shown in a tourney for a while. =P ☆

 

[§leepy God]

♫ You kill nearly every Snake main with Kirby Viper so why do you worry? ☼

 

[A1lion835]

♫ You kill nearly every Snake main with Kirby Viper so why do you worry? ☼

Believe it!

(I couldn't resist)

 

[Lord Viper]

♫ You kill nearly every Snake main with Kirby Viper so why do you worry? ☼

☆ ... I still hate Brawling him. >.> ☆

☆ But more so Marth than Snake however. ☆

 

[Asdioh]

I beat Hot_ArmS meta knight on the AiB ladder once. But then I found out he mains Snake :/
They're both pretty freaking hard to beat on wifi anyway.

And I teamed with him in a doubles online tourney. It was pretty epic, we went double Falcon until we lost a set, and then we went double Falcon first game of a set and stayed with it unless we lost.

As Kirby/Snake we didn't lose any matches.

Then he randomly went MK one game and we lost :[



In other news, I played some Brawl this weekend at my house, woohoo! I got to play on ProjectileFi as well.

 

[HAT]

so who's the best kirby? and the second best kirby? whats the popular opinion on the boards here

 

[A1lion835]

so who's the best kirby? and the second best kirby? whats the popular opinion on the boards here

Iunno about second best, but Chu is widely agreed to be the best.

 

[HAT]

Iunno about second best, but Chu is widely agreed to be the best.

****. well i guess we'll all have to look at apex results to see who's the second best kirby =0

 

[Asdioh]

i'm pretty gud




Anyway, I'm getting started on that combined kirby combo video thingy. If you guys have clip suggestions let me know.

Too bad my computer sucks so much that I won't be able to tell if the video looks good until it's finished and put on youtube ^_^


also, I'm doing an intro that is somewhat "cinematic" so I'll need someone with a capture device to help me record like 15 seconds of Brawl video, most likely. PM me if you're interested

 

[Y.b.M.]

ummmm....I'd say me...but i'm not known like chu...So if he never existed I'd be the best, Agreed?........*crowd responds*Agreed!

 

[Lord Viper]

so who's the best kirby? and the second best kirby? whats the popular opinion on the boards here

☆ There is no best Kirby, there's only the most popular or most well known Kirby that can kick *** in tourneys. And I have no idea what's the most popular opinion in the Kirby boards and I've been here before Brawl came out, lol. ☆

 

[T-nuts]

I've heard very, very good things about a player named MogX, though i barely hear anyone here talk about him. if not him i would have to say percon maybe? Of course gonzo is well known too, and Asdioh, Y.B.M. and Sheermadness all have good tourney placings. Then theres other kirbys I've heard are good like Viper, Triple R, and Kawaii Bunny. lol, yeah, there is no definitive number 2 kirby.

I wonder how I would place if I played an offline tourney? I feel like its pretty difficult for me to rank myself due to my lack of tourney experience.

EDIT: Hat?...were you chu's partner in a doubles tourney once? your name seems familiar...

 

[HAT]

EDIT: Hat?...were you chu's partner in a doubles tourney once? your name seems familiar...

chyea son. i am hat. the second best kirby. or maybe the best? we'll see. =0 =0 =0

 

[Suspect]

****. well i guess we'll all have to look at apex results to see who's the second best kirby =0

not all kirbys will be at apex so no

ummmm....I'd say me...but i'm not known like chu...So if he never existed I'd be the best, Agreed?

no

☆ There is no best Kirby, there's only the most popular or most well known Kirby that can kick *** in tourneys. And I have no idea what's the most popular opinion in the Kirby boards and I've been here before Brawl came out, lol. ☆

now this i agree with


and from what i have seen alot of kirbys are claiming to be good due to wifi...a whole nother world compared to offline and going to tournies.

To be honest i think Texas has some of the best kirbys (not the best, some of the best) Infinity, Me, Shuz, Gnes...im missing one person.. >_>

 

[Ladybug]

Me! Me! You're forgetting me! :D

I'm so joking. I'm mediocre at best.

 

[T-nuts]

Me! Me! You're forgetting me! :D

I'm so joking. I'm mediocre at best.

whoa, watch out for captain egofest over here

 

[Triple R]

There are sooooooooooooooooooooo many kirbies lol. We should all just self proclaim we are all second best. Sounds like the most logical thing to me

 

[momochuu]

"Kirby Ego Trip" time.

 

[HAT]

"Kirby Ego Trip" time.

hey now, fact is fact. there's a difference between egomania and realization of truth!

 

[T-nuts]

"Kirby Ego Trip" time.

haha, i feel like this happens every time a question like this comes up.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ As far as my ego, I'll say I'm the best Kirby in MI, but I won't say I have the best Kirby in Midwest yet because I have yet to Brawl some Kirby mains that live around there, and of course I can't say I'm the best in the US because I don't travel to tourney's in another state unless I'm going on a trip somewhere near the tournament, lol. ☆

 

[Y.b.M.]

Hehe well Since I'm so Confident...I'm saying I'm the best in The Midwest hehehe...Haven't been proved wrong yet so...RAAAAAA!!!