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KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social
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Is it Dojo? There is also a guy... I forgot if it was Affinity or Infinity lol, but he claimed to switch to Kirby, though I haven't heard anything since then, that was a long time ago. I also don't actively pay attention.
I bet anyone can avoid the SJP if you smash DI the jabs... just hit away on the c-stick and control stick as he jabs you. It requires quick reaction though, and it's something I need to improve on. I'm too lazy to SDI most things, but if I mastered it like I have with momentum canceling/survival DI (at least I think I've mastered it :/) it would be ridiculously useful. Imagine being able to SDI behind Snake every time he hits you with the first hit of Ftilt and you're close to him, and then punishing him. (at least, I think that's possible)
How amazing would that be?
Quoting you is SO ANNOYING UGH FONTS AND COLORS AND JGFGTDFGFIGJAJ
edit: I forgot to talk about Olimar. I played L-cancel in pools last tourney I went, and I lost, but at the very beginning of the first match, which was on Battlefield, I was playing EXTREMELY CAREFULLY, and I was doing very very well that first stock. I got the lead, the KO, everything. Then when he came back I lost my significant lead and lost the game.
So I think Olimar is beatable with Kirby, but it is an exhausting process, it takes a loooot of waiting and baiting. It's basically like MK vs Olimar, but tougher.
I still think Link is underrated. Definitely not bottom 3, Zelda and especially Ganondorf are noticeably worse. I also think Ike is overrated... or at least I think I do, didn't an Ike player beat Gnes' Diddy and place high at APEX? What the hell?
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Hey guys, I was doing a little bit of theory crafting this weekend while watching the APEX stream and wanted to see what your opinions on what I worked out.
Okay, I'm sure all of you know how much trouble Kirby has getting back on the stage against Meta Knight because of his dair. The issue is that Kirby only has a small few options when Meta Knight is edge guarding Kirby with dair and none of them are very good.
1. Kirby can try to outmaneuver Meta Knight. Kirby moves slightly faster than Meta Knight in the air, so it might be worth a shot to try. Time your fastfalls and jumps correctly and you might be able to make it to the ledge or the stage successfully. The issue is that Meta Knight is more than capable of following Kirby, so it's pretty much all in your ability to trick the Meta Knight into thinking you're going to try to recover one way and do the other.
2. Kirby can try to airdodge past Meta Knight. This isn't a very smart idea. If you successfully airdodge through Meta Knight's dair, it's pretty much guaranteed that Meta Knight will recover before Kirby and be able to punish you for your airdodge with a nair or another dair.
3. Kirby can try to outrange Meta Knight's dair with Final Cutter. This is risky. If Meta Knight is far enough out from the ledge, then there's no chance to successfully hit Meta Knight and get the ledge. If Meta Knight predicts your Final Cutter or is able to react quickly enough, he can airdodge the rising hitbox of Final Cutter and ledge hog Kirby. If you succeed, though, it could definitely pay off if it results in a gimp.
4. Kirby can try to knock Meta Knight back towards the stage with an aerial. This is another risky thing to try. Time your attack wrong and you'll just be back in the same boat as before, probably worse off since you most likely used at least one jump in your recovery and trying to hit Meta Knight.
This is where I got to thinking. Usually with the fourth option, I'll see Kirby players use fair and uair. While it's possible to get the hit, fair and uair usually aren't worth trying versus Kirby's other options. So I decided to try out bair. Kirby can either turn around using one of his midair jumps or using a reverse Forward B. Both have their positives and negatives; using a midair jump means you'll be using one of your 5 jumps, but using your hammer to turn around means you'll have phantom lag when you land on the stage and don't use an aerial to land.
I tested this out in friendlies last night, and it actually seems to work well. I haven't seen anyone else really doing this, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see if you guys would give some feedback on it. I kind of want to start rethinking some of the things Kirby players do and focus on options and smart playing.
Giant wall of text. Oops?
Okay, I'm sure all of you know how much trouble Kirby has getting back on the stage against Meta Knight because of his dair. The issue is that Kirby only has a small few options when Meta Knight is edge guarding Kirby with dair and none of them are very good.
1. Kirby can try to outmaneuver Meta Knight. Kirby moves slightly faster than Meta Knight in the air, so it might be worth a shot to try. Time your fastfalls and jumps correctly and you might be able to make it to the ledge or the stage successfully. The issue is that Meta Knight is more than capable of following Kirby, so it's pretty much all in your ability to trick the Meta Knight into thinking you're going to try to recover one way and do the other.
2. Kirby can try to airdodge past Meta Knight. This isn't a very smart idea. If you successfully airdodge through Meta Knight's dair, it's pretty much guaranteed that Meta Knight will recover before Kirby and be able to punish you for your airdodge with a nair or another dair.
3. Kirby can try to outrange Meta Knight's dair with Final Cutter. This is risky. If Meta Knight is far enough out from the ledge, then there's no chance to successfully hit Meta Knight and get the ledge. If Meta Knight predicts your Final Cutter or is able to react quickly enough, he can airdodge the rising hitbox of Final Cutter and ledge hog Kirby. If you succeed, though, it could definitely pay off if it results in a gimp.
4. Kirby can try to knock Meta Knight back towards the stage with an aerial. This is another risky thing to try. Time your attack wrong and you'll just be back in the same boat as before, probably worse off since you most likely used at least one jump in your recovery and trying to hit Meta Knight.
This is where I got to thinking. Usually with the fourth option, I'll see Kirby players use fair and uair. While it's possible to get the hit, fair and uair usually aren't worth trying versus Kirby's other options. So I decided to try out bair. Kirby can either turn around using one of his midair jumps or using a reverse Forward B. Both have their positives and negatives; using a midair jump means you'll be using one of your 5 jumps, but using your hammer to turn around means you'll have phantom lag when you land on the stage and don't use an aerial to land.
I tested this out in friendlies last night, and it actually seems to work well. I haven't seen anyone else really doing this, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see if you guys would give some feedback on it. I kind of want to start rethinking some of the things Kirby players do and focus on options and smart playing.
Giant wall of text. Oops?
I use U-air against Meta Knight when recovering. It works. Final Cutter is risky because of the start-up, but it's also usable.
There's a LOT of stuff that has to be taken into consideration when recovering against Meta Knight. You have to take into consideration how many jumps you're willing to expend (in case you get hit away), whether you want to incur phantom lag with a Hammer, whether you want to try to go upward and try to take on Shuttle Loop/U-air or to go low and brave the perils of D-air/N-air/Stage Spikes, etc, etc, etc.
I'll try out the reverse Hammer to set-up for B-airs. I'll compare it to using a Jump to turn around and see which I prefer.
There's a LOT of stuff that has to be taken into consideration when recovering against Meta Knight. You have to take into consideration how many jumps you're willing to expend (in case you get hit away), whether you want to incur phantom lag with a Hammer, whether you want to try to go upward and try to take on Shuttle Loop/U-air or to go low and brave the perils of D-air/N-air/Stage Spikes, etc, etc, etc.
I'll try out the reverse Hammer to set-up for B-airs. I'll compare it to using a Jump to turn around and see which I prefer.
well, no matter what you do, Meta Knight is going to have the advantage in the air. Even if you do get past his Dairs, and you're closer to the stage than he is, you're in danger of getting shuttle looped into/above the stage. And coming back with Bairs is something I do when necessary, Kirby has the advantage of being able to turn around in the air so we should use it 
You don't post here often, do you? :O
edit because of timmeh: Uair works, it has a massive hitbox and (from what I hear) beats MK's Dair directly, though the spacing and timing required for Kirby to win that encounter is MUCH stricter than what is required of MK, so MK will generally be winning that one..
here's a random video of me sandbagging in friendlies, that my friend chose to upload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxp-sEXWQ0E
>=(
he needs to upload the ones where I win
You don't post here often, do you? :O
edit because of timmeh: Uair works, it has a massive hitbox and (from what I hear) beats MK's Dair directly, though the spacing and timing required for Kirby to win that encounter is MUCH stricter than what is required of MK, so MK will generally be winning that one..
here's a random video of me sandbagging in friendlies, that my friend chose to upload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxp-sEXWQ0E
>=(
he needs to upload the ones where I win
which is most of them
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I tend to stick to my regional forum, and even then I usually just lurk. Alabama Smash seems so dead right now. I have to go out of state for any tournament experience at all this point. Which Kirby mains should I expect to see at Raleigh?
Yeah, the issue with uair is that even though it outranges Meta Knight's dair is that timing and spacing it correctly is a pain when the Meta Knight can just fastfall the dair at a moment's notice and completely throw off your timing and spacing.
A1lion835
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*Apparently no one here cares about my semi-emo feelings still*
do a barrel roll get Legan to train you (God Kais!).
It's definitely possible to DI the ftilt, I think Mr.Doom has an instance of it in his ridiculous DI vids.
Link is awesome because he can throw his boomerang through FD. (true story, I actually discovered this awesome link AT that lets him throw his boomerang through the stage, kinda like Kirby's FC projectile going through walls. It has pretty much no practical use, but it's kinda cool.)
Imagine: you're playing Link vs MK, each of you has 1 stock. Your opponent is recovering low on the other side of FD. You happen to be hanging onto the edge, so you drop off and use your midair jump to get up right next to the stage, and then throw your boomerang. Your opponent shuttle loops, but is brilliantly caught in your boomerang which is pushing him towards the blastzone! You regrab the ledge with Spin Attack (I think I managed to do this about 1/2 the time, I'm sure actual Link players could do it consistently).
Confidently you set down your controller, but realize...it is not over yet! He has somehow escaped the boomerang and is gliding under the stage towards you. It turns out you have 900%, so you can't allow him to grab the edge. You know he will try to stagespike you. He uses his glide attack, but you somehow manage to DI and tech off the edge, and then regrab it. You suddenly hear the roar of the crowd, and you realize...you just won MLG Raleigh! W00t!
/is good at storytelling
Theeere we go. That's actually kinda a little possible, since he has a pretty good MU vs Snake (right?). You should
Does that mean you'll switch mains if it happens? I can't imagine what else it means.
Yea, it was Dojo.
It's definitely possible to DI the ftilt, I think Mr.Doom has an instance of it in his ridiculous DI vids.
Link is awesome because he can throw his boomerang through FD. (true story, I actually discovered this awesome link AT that lets him throw his boomerang through the stage, kinda like Kirby's FC projectile going through walls. It has pretty much no practical use, but it's kinda cool.)
Imagine: you're playing Link vs MK, each of you has 1 stock. Your opponent is recovering low on the other side of FD. You happen to be hanging onto the edge, so you drop off and use your midair jump to get up right next to the stage, and then throw your boomerang. Your opponent shuttle loops, but is brilliantly caught in your boomerang which is pushing him towards the blastzone! You regrab the ledge with Spin Attack (I think I managed to do this about 1/2 the time, I'm sure actual Link players could do it consistently).
Confidently you set down your controller, but realize...it is not over yet! He has somehow escaped the boomerang and is gliding under the stage towards you. It turns out you have 900%, so you can't allow him to grab the edge. You know he will try to stagespike you. He uses his glide attack, but you somehow manage to DI and tech off the edge, and then regrab it. You suddenly hear the roar of the crowd, and you realize...you just won MLG Raleigh! W00t!
/is good at storytelling
I haven't had any problems using U-air against Meta Knight's D-air... as long as I have the time to get a U-air started. The real nut-kicker is when Meta Knight is all over you and your 10-frame attacks just can't cut it.
lol I said nut-kicker
Alus
Smash Champion
And I almost have to slap you!
A1lion835
Smash Champion
lol t1mmy has the sense of humor of a 13-year-old
Children, children, get along now! No reason for slapping D: .
Or or! Imagine this: you're playing as Fox, because this is definitely the Fox boards. Last stock, last hit on Pokemon Stadium (Melee)
The stage starts to transform, and you uptaunt ("Here I come!")
You see the fire come out, which looks remarkably like Fox's Up B, but then the stage cancels your taunt! In the confusion, your opponent doesn't know what to do, he is still expecting a Firefox coming his way! You take advantage of his momentary confusion and dash and UPSMASH!
As you win the game, there is a stunned silence from the crowd, followed by a deafening roar!
Now, were you imagining your opponent using
I was.
first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520&feature=related
then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvNS5TzvwM
The stage starts to transform, and you uptaunt ("Here I come!")
You see the fire come out, which looks remarkably like Fox's Up B, but then the stage cancels your taunt! In the confusion, your opponent doesn't know what to do, he is still expecting a Firefox coming his way! You take advantage of his momentary confusion and dash and UPSMASH!
As you win the game, there is a stunned silence from the crowd, followed by a deafening roar!
Now, were you imagining your opponent using
Meta Knight?
first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520&feature=related
then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvNS5TzvwM
Alus
Smash Champion
Who cares what you don't care about?
You non-caring son of a Bolshevik!
You non-caring son of a Bolshevik!
A1lion835
Smash Champion
I'll just slit my wrists more to compensate for having fewer friends. :'(
I've often thought about how Fox's UpB and Up taunt have such similar starting animations. Your story is nowhere near as epic as mine.
I've often thought about how Fox's UpB and Up taunt have such similar starting animations. Your story is nowhere near as epic as mine.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
whenever you talk about san, don't mention ike. he doesn't play ike. he plays san.
A1lion835
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This social thread is being interrupted for an awesome example of how I am awesome at writing stuff, which I have composed in about 20 minutes.
Epicly epic blog of epicness!
(It's about chess and explosions, mother****ers)
(Homeboy, that remix is awesome)
Epicly epic blog of epicness!
(It's about chess and explosions, mother****ers)
(Homeboy, that remix is awesome)
Alus
Smash Champion
He mains San and seconds your mom, its the perfect combination!
A1lion835
Smash Champion
*laughs awkwardly at not-great your mom joke*
Yo momma's so fat, cows moo at her!
Yo momma's so fat, cows moo at her!
stingers
Smash Obsessed
yes, san mains san.
Alus
Smash Champion
"Yo momma's so dumb she stared at the orange juice container cause it said "concentrate"!"
Eagleye893
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Lord Viper
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★ With Editor Mode updated and you still can't get use to my font? At least I'm not typing in gradient fonts with all the words I'm typing. XD ♛
stingers
Smash Obsessed
kirk is pretty good...san is ****ing san
SkylerSilver
Smash Journeyman
Im gonna guess that you posted your PP7 FC? Riiiiggggghhhhtttt?
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
So here's a nice event that I figured the Kirby Boards would love to know about...
I was at Apex 2010 and I was asked to do a Money Match and I declined...Because I don't do Money matches. But, I said that I'd gladly do some serious friendly matches with you a little later after I finished my pool matches. My challenger said okay fine, I'll come get you then.
About an hour later, my challenger came up to me again after I finished my pools and said, are you ready to play? I said yes, let me turn in my pools sheet first. I turned in the pool sheet and went towards the TV. So as I was sitting down, he says, "so, I heard you're the best Kirby in the Nation"... I laugh, and then I give him the same response. Then he laughs. We were undecided in who should get Red Kirby since we both play Red Kirby. So I put in the color glitch to allow me and him to play as the Same Color Kirby.
He beat me the 1st one and I said, "you can have the red one since you won first".. We played like 13 or so matches. I won lots of games and so did he. I learned from his play style, he learned from mine. I also told him, that everyone that I play against and wins against, he cannot lose to them. He agreed, and told me that I've defeated someone he has yet to beat though. So i gave him advice on the Match up, what to do and what not to do. So hopefully he does better next time he encounters the Olimar match up.
If you all haven't figured out who my opponent is by now, it's Chudat. He's a really good player I have a lot of respect for him. I can honestly say that him and I are about even. We have different play styles and thought patterns. He's a very intelligent player.
We also ended up doing a teams money match with 2 wolf players, and we easily won that.
But yea, he's a real chill dude and has an amazing Kirby. Just thought I'd share that story with all the Kirby players out here. God Kais!
I was at Apex 2010 and I was asked to do a Money Match and I declined...Because I don't do Money matches. But, I said that I'd gladly do some serious friendly matches with you a little later after I finished my pool matches. My challenger said okay fine, I'll come get you then.
About an hour later, my challenger came up to me again after I finished my pools and said, are you ready to play? I said yes, let me turn in my pools sheet first. I turned in the pool sheet and went towards the TV. So as I was sitting down, he says, "so, I heard you're the best Kirby in the Nation"... I laugh, and then I give him the same response. Then he laughs. We were undecided in who should get Red Kirby since we both play Red Kirby. So I put in the color glitch to allow me and him to play as the Same Color Kirby.
He beat me the 1st one and I said, "you can have the red one since you won first".. We played like 13 or so matches. I won lots of games and so did he. I learned from his play style, he learned from mine. I also told him, that everyone that I play against and wins against, he cannot lose to them. He agreed, and told me that I've defeated someone he has yet to beat though. So i gave him advice on the Match up, what to do and what not to do. So hopefully he does better next time he encounters the Olimar match up.
If you all haven't figured out who my opponent is by now, it's Chudat. He's a really good player I have a lot of respect for him. I can honestly say that him and I are about even. We have different play styles and thought patterns. He's a very intelligent player.
We also ended up doing a teams money match with 2 wolf players, and we easily won that.
But yea, he's a real chill dude and has an amazing Kirby. Just thought I'd share that story with all the Kirby players out here. God Kais!
Radium88
Smash Lord
that is pretty epic Y.b.M....were they recorded?
Who was the Olimar, and what is your advice on the matchup?
A1lion835
Smash Champion
YbM, that's amazing. At the beginning, I was like "Wouldn't it be ironic if the other Kirby was Chu?" and then I continued to be like "Wait, that's actually possible." And then I started grinning like an idiot xD .
Nice! You've gotten a lot of negative hype by people who think Chu's out of your league (I have been amongst them
), but they've got nothing to say now. I wish Chu would play some games against me...then again, I'd just embarrass myself xD .
Nice! You've gotten a lot of negative hype by people who think Chu's out of your league (I have been amongst them
), but they've got nothing to say now. I wish Chu would play some games against me...then again, I'd just embarrass myself xD .God Kais!
Lord Viper
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★ So red is the color that people should use to get pro with Kirby? ♛
★ Of course my character choices: ♛
★ Of course. XD ♛
★ Of course my character choices: ♛
Sage JoWii
Smash Champion
Ok, so he's how I explain our top mains.
Y.b.M. is the BEST Kirby.
Chudat is a brilliant player who MAINs Kirby.
Do you understand the difference? Do you understand th similarity? IMO, Y.b.M. understands more about Kirby than Chu and uses him well. Chu on the other hand is just a brilliant player who can use Kirby to win, not necessarily by knowing the ins and outs of his character but his thought process and ability to read his opponents evens out his use of Kirby.
>_> I'm going to be a Kirby main @ Raleigh and idk the last time I thought to BAir MK; normally I UAir or time the areialHammer to land the second hit.
Y.b.M. is the BEST Kirby.
Chudat is a brilliant player who MAINs Kirby.
Do you understand the difference? Do you understand th similarity? IMO, Y.b.M. understands more about Kirby than Chu and uses him well. Chu on the other hand is just a brilliant player who can use Kirby to win, not necessarily by knowing the ins and outs of his character but his thought process and ability to read his opponents evens out his use of Kirby.
>_> I'm going to be a Kirby main @ Raleigh and idk the last time I thought to BAir MK; normally I UAir or time the areialHammer to land the second hit.
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
Ummm No we didn't get any matches recorded... But there were a lot of people coming around our TV watching and whispering
Yea, it was pretty cool... Cause at first I felt like there was tension between him and I at first.
The Olimar player is Pyronnic Star(Logic)... and I just told him to attack from angles...rather than attacking directly since Olimar can only attack Straight forward and Back...And Up. Also, watch out for those Pivot Grabs...that's what they are looking for....Who was the Olimar, and what is your advice on the matchup?
Haha thanks... Me and His games were fun though... Some guy wanted to get next and I was like "uuuhhhh I dont know"...and CChu Said "Maybe Next Time" Since our matches were more than friendlies. I don't want people thinking that I'm better than Chu or anything, I'd prefer it if we were consider like Yin and Yang. And you wouldn't embarrass yourself, there's always room for improvement....YbM, that's amazing. At the beginning, I was like "Wouldn't it be ironic if the other Kirby was Chu?" and then I continued to be like "Wait, that's actually possible." And then I started grinning like an idiot xD .
Nice! You've gotten a lot of negative hype by people who think Chu's out of your league (I have been amongst them
God Kais!
He is a great player... rather than being the best Kirby I'd prefer that him and I share that title, just out of respect. And Rep Kirby at MLG... I'm not going to be there and I'm not sure if any other good Kirby is going to be there either.... Give them the "D"...haha
stingers
Smash Obsessed
olimars usmash isnt really straight up..its kind of like snakes utilt in that it has a lot of horizontal reach as well...though obviously not as bad as snakes
but yellow usmash is ****ing nasty
but yellow usmash is ****ing nasty
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I'm fully intent on winning money at Raleigh. I'm 100% positive I can do it now, and I figure going in with the right mindset will be everything.
For some reason the "watching and whispering" part made me laugh. wtf were they whispering? XD
~Shao~
Smash Ace
I can't stop listening to the bed intruder song. And Olimar is a b****
College is back for me, so expect some inactivity ):
College is back for me, so expect some inactivity ):
A1lion835
Smash Champion
I can't stop either, Shao. It's just so awesome xD .
You will be missed . you'd be missed more if you were active
You will be missed
.