K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Banjodorf]

Even with SalRomano's new information, it doesn't specify that it's the final list of newcomers by any stretch.

I'm just going to hope. K. Rool honestly has literally everything going in his favor at this point. Popularity, Kremlings being in Smash, older Dk stages being in Smash with kremlings on them, and the lack of a heavy weight newcomer, and sadly the reptillian boss competition being disconfirmed. He's obviously got some higher role. (PLEASE Sakurai, don't be trolling me on this one. My heart literally can't take it.)

The cards are aligning. So close...please Sakurai. Just this once. All I need is K. Rool in Smash once. (Well, technically twice.)

The current roster, plus Shulk, Palutena and K. Rool is literally all I'd ever need. Things are looking good you guys! Let's hope our King doesn't fall short. (Or if he somehow does, let's hope it's onto a Gangplank Galleon stage.)

Either way, in light of the Smash Run news: **** YOU, Relevancy ********!

 

[Welshy91]

I really hope K. Rool makes it, but I was feeling 50/50 about his chances. Now I'm seeing it as more of a 65/35 ordeal. Don't let me down Sakurai, I need at least one new heavy-weight villain.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Okay guys, this is my last post before I go on my hiatus, and I want to dedicate it to our fair king.

As you obviously know by now, your fellow reptile partner in crime was mercilessly slaughtered yesterday as Sakurai denied him a chance of getting his fair share of playability. With this event, K. Rool stands as the only newcomer left I can care to invest anything into. At this point, K. Rool is an absolute must for the newcomer poll of this game to not be an absolute joke imo, there are no other potential villain or heavy weight characters that I can think of that actually stand a chance now, so there's absolutely nothing that should hinder K. Rool from stepping into his rightful place as a newcomer, unless Sakurai doesn't care about making variety in the newcomer poll, which looking at previous newcomer sets he does. Furthermore, we're seeing a lot of characters which haven't been requested a lot, those being Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina and Greninja, we need some true all-star power to spice this thing up to 11, and being the most requested newcomer worldwide K. Rool would is obviously the best choice for this.

The Kremlings' return has given me a lot of hope, and even with the recent news brought to us by SalRomano I dare say K. Rool can still stand tall, despite what I might have claimed earlier today I have been enlightened a fair bit. The next time I return to these boards, I dearly hope it'll be to talk about how awesome K. Rool looks as a playable character in Smash 4.

Until then ladies and gents, long live the king!

Yes, that last sentence was super cheesy, but how could I resist?

 

[pupNapoleon]

The presence of Kremlings in Smash Run vindicates every K. Rool fan who spent the last few years talking about how, in spite of two games of absence, he and his minions still constitute a large and important enough portion of DK's history to warrant Smash representation. That was largely brushed aside in favor of "relevance," "advertising," and all that, but this is our proof staring us in the face that we're getting more than just what's flashy and new. K. Rool too will be present somehow, it's just a matter of hoping that it's as a character, nothing more or less.

Nothing more? What constitutes more than a character... two characters?

 

[Xzsmmc]

Nothing more? What constitutes more than a character... two characters?

Kaptain K. Rool confirmed.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Kaptain K. Rool confirmed.

You know, with the reveal of Wire Frame Mac (and the focus on Male Fit Trainer), the chances for actual alternate costumes -- for K Rool or otherwise -- have increased, perhaps significantly so.

So it seems pretty likely that K Rool would get at least one alternate costume (though having the K Rool/Kaptain/Roolenstein trifecta, complete with the palette swaps for each, would be the way to truly do the character justice).

 

[FalKoopa]

Nothing more? What constitutes more than a character... two characters?

Being a stage element AND a playable character, perhaps, like Toon Link.

 

[Welshy91]

Being a stage element AND a playable character, perhaps, like Toon Link.

And hopefully Ridley.... *sobs*

 

[Sehnsucht]

Being a stage element AND a playable character, perhaps, like Toon Link.

Aren't the King and the Kaptain brothers in Smash canon?

 

[Deleted member]

Upon reconsideration, it's obvious these are the Kremlings Sakurai used. Paon's Kremlings.

I'm hoping this was a purely stylistic choice, as Paon's Kremlings are far easier to translate as generic mooks than the DKC ones, and K. Rool would have some more effort put into his design. I really don't want that tiny-crowned, non-intimidating tub of lard design getting in over the glorious DKC ones.

 

[FalKoopa]

Aren't the King and the Kaptain brothers in Smash canon?

It's a bit of a gray area, as their relation isn't clear in the Japanese DK canon.

 

[MasterWarlord]

K. Rool faced being wiped off the face of the earth, but he's finally made his glorious return. Characters like him, Ridley, Mewtwo, and Waluigi fight uphill (ironically) protagonistic battles that make them difficult not to root for. While all of the other mentioned characters are falling (Though Ridley and Especially Mewtwo can recover), K. Rool has become the most likely character after Palutena, really. After so much mocking and clinging on to hope for his appearances in the two Retro games, it's truly amazing for everything to finally be going his way. It was nothing but bad news for the longest time, with the exception of Diddy being confirmed solo and Dixie not being shown when it made sense. My hopes are higher than ever at this point. K. Rool is needed to pick up the slack of this game's mediocre roster.

The only thing that slightly worries me is the Kremlings are in their Paon designs. K. Rool may end up with his ugly Paon design too because of it, though I still have faith Sakurai will give him a unique design (He's already done one for Zamus). It's not worth the effort of making new designs for simple enemies.

 

[Mysteltainn]

K. Rool faced being wiped off the face of the earth, but he's finally made his glorious return. Characters like him, Ridley, Mewtwo, and Waluigi fight uphill (ironically) protagonistic battles that make them difficult not to root for. While all of the other mentioned characters are falling (Though Ridley and Especially Mewtwo can recover), K. Rool has become the most likely character after Palutena, really. After so much mocking and clinging on to hope for his appearances in the two Retro games, it's truly amazing for everything to finally be going his way. It was nothing but bad news for the longest time, with the exception of Diddy being confirmed solo and Dixie not being shown when it made sense. My hopes are higher than ever at this point. K. Rool is needed to pick up the slack of this game's mediocre roster.

The only thing that slightly worries me is the Kremlings are in their Paon designs. K. Rool may end up with his ugly Paon design too because of it, though I still have faith Sakurai will give him a unique design (He's already done one for Zamus). It's not worth the effort of making new designs for simple enemies.

I think it's just the case of the last part of your post, where it simply isn't worth the trouble making such a specialised effort for simple enemies, and that if King K. Rool gets into Sm4sh as a playable character; Sakurai will certainly have a unique and sharp look just for him.

 

[Starphoenix]

To be honest, it is kind of interesting we haven't had a villain/antagonist newcomer revealed yet.

 

[Sehnsucht]

To be honest, it is kind of interesting we haven't had a villain/antagonist newcomer revealed yet.

Maybe it's because all the villains are playing it smart.

They'll let all the Good Guys beat each other bloody in Smash and do the work of the villains for them.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

He was one of Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon, so technically he's a veteran. The site calls him one as well.

So I've noticed, ok then my hopes for K. Rool are still up.

 

[Xzsmmc]

You know, with the reveal of Wire Frame Mac (and the focus on Male Fit Trainer), the chances for actual alternate costumes -- for K Rool or otherwise -- have increased, perhaps significantly so.

So it seems pretty likely that K Rool would get at least one alternate costume (though having the K Rool/Kaptain/Roolenstein trifecta, complete with the palette swaps for each, would be the way to truly do the character justice).

Given how Rool will probably have a crown toss, I just got an amusing mental image of the Kaptain throwing his pirate hat at the enemy.

 

[Kickback]

Hopeing we will see the gangplank soon although its more likely if its in its one of those secret maps.

 

[FalKoopa]

Given how Rool will probably have a crown toss, I just got an amusing mental image of the Kaptain throwing his pirate hat at the enemy.

What will he throw as Baron K. Roolenstein? The wig hair?

 

[cephalopod17]

I'm so glad we K. Rool supporters "survived" the Direct. Seeing all of that stuff go down at the Ridley thread makes me even more fortunate that K. Rool's chances are still good and we are in good sprits. I'm glad my #1 most wanted newcomer still has a good chance. Long live the Kremling King!!

 

[Fatmanonice]

To be honest, it is kind of interesting we haven't had a villain/antagonist newcomer revealed yet.

Or a new heavy weight for that matter. Every game has had a new one in the starting roster (DK, Bowser, and the D respectively).

 

[Deleted member]

Okay guys, this is my last post before I go on my hiatus, and I want to dedicate it to our fair king.

As you obviously know by now, your fellow reptile partner in crime was mercilessly slaughtered yesterday as Sakurai denied him a chance of getting his fair share of playability. With this event, K. Rool stands as the only newcomer left I can care to invest anything into. At this point, K. Rool is an absolute must for the newcomer poll of this game to not be an absolute joke imo, there are no other potential villain or heavy weight characters that I can think of that actually stand a chance now, so there's absolutely nothing that should hinder K. Rool from stepping into his rightful place as a newcomer, unless Sakurai doesn't care about making variety in the newcomer poll, which looking at previous newcomer sets he does. Furthermore, we're seeing a lot of characters which haven't been requested a lot, those being Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina and Greninja, we need some true all-star power to spice this thing up to 11, and being the most requested newcomer worldwide K. Rool would is obviously the best choice for this.

The Kremlings' return has given me a lot of hope, and even with the recent news brought to us by SalRomano I dare say K. Rool can still stand tall, despite what I might have claimed earlier today I have been enlightened a fair bit. The next time I return to these boards, I dearly hope it'll be to talk about how awesome K. Rool looks as a playable character in Smash 4.

Until then ladies and gents, long live the king!

Yes, that last sentence was super cheesy, but how could I resist?

I feel as K. Rool has the best shot of any character not named Mewtwo that isn't part of the Gematsu's leak. With K. Rool having practically everything going for him at this point, it's just a matter of if Sakurai wants him in. And unlike Ridley, he doesn't have Sakurai erroneously claiming he'd be "impossible to add". I have a good feeling about him.

K. Rool faced being wiped off the face of the earth, but he's finally made his glorious return. Characters like him, Ridley, Mewtwo, and Waluigi fight uphill (ironically) protagonistic battles that make them difficult not to root for. While all of the other mentioned characters are falling (Though Ridley and Especially Mewtwo can recover), K. Rool has become the most likely character after Palutena, really. After so much mocking and clinging on to hope for his appearances in the two Retro games, it's truly amazing for everything to finally be going his way. It was nothing but bad news for the longest time, with the exception of Diddy being confirmed solo and Dixie not being shown when it made sense. My hopes are higher than ever at this point. K. Rool is needed to pick up the slack of this game's mediocre roster.

The only thing that slightly worries me is the Kremlings are in their Paon designs. K. Rool may end up with his ugly Paon design too because of it, though I still have faith Sakurai will give him a unique design (He's already done one for Zamus). It's not worth the effort of making new designs for simple enemies.

Well Mega Man is based off his NES designs. Having K. Rool in his original DKC design is certainly not outside the realm of possibility.

To be honest, it is kind of interesting we haven't had a villain/antagonist newcomer revealed yet.

If K. Rool or (in the off-chance) Ridley are playable, I'd imagine Sakurai is saving them for as much as possible to build up hype for them. Same reason why I feel we haven't seen Mewtwo yet.

I think the best has yet to come (outside of Mega Man of course) for newcomers.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Kaptain K. Rool confirmed.

Why not? We have Zelda and Sheik as separate characters...

 

[andimidna]

Can you add me to the list of Kutthroats?
I used to not support him as I just didn't see it happening.
But I'm confident now. And I'm hyped to finally see him back.
If he's not adding Ridley, he MUST add K Rool.

 

[BKupa666]

Can you add me to the list of Kutthroats?
I used to not support him as I just didn't see it happening.
But I'm confident now. And I'm hyped to finally see him back.
If he's not adding Ridley, he MUST add K Rool.

I will eventually, I usually update the OP in multi-page stretches now, so you'll be added next time I do so.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I have to say, I'm glad K.Rool got this boost. I felt like the relevancy issue was almost insurmountable but it got knocked down with a single Direct. Let's see what E3 brings.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I will eventually, I usually update the OP in multi-page stretches now, so you'll be added next time I do so.

Might I suggest adding something about the Kritters inclusion to the counterpoint section? It more or less confirms that the relevance argument is BS.

 

[Deleted member]

There are two things this Direct cemented for me that make K. Rool's chances skyrocket:

• Sakurai is not using any content from Tropical Freeze
• DK is heavily featured, next to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon

This means that Dixie Kong is not happening, because Sakurai simply isn't taking TF and her new popularity into account. The second point makes me confident in DK getting a newcomer, especially when it already has revealed DK and Diddy. Unlike Mario, Pokemon (both already has a newcomer) and Zelda, we we have to go all the way to release without any new DK character, veteran or otherwise, despite its obviously increased significance to Smash Bros. The only other big series that has all its characters revealed is another one that has 2 characters, Metroid. This leads me to believe they are building up to a reveal of some kind. We've actually yet to see any DK assist trophies or any new stages and I think they do have them, but aren't showing them yet, for one obvious reason: so that it can all be unveiled alongside a newcomer.

In short, if DK gets a newcomer - only looking more likely - then it logically strongly would seem to be K. Rool.

 

[andimidna]

• Sakurai is not using any content from Tropical Freeze

DK is definitely getting a stage.
I think I say that Jungle Japes was on both versions, but that will be on the retro page.

With Greninja confirmed, it's a big stretch to say TF is too new.

Like you said, DK is a big series.
I honestly do think DK is big enough for a TF stage, Gangplank Galleon, King K Rool, and Dixie Kong.
With Cranky as the DK assist.
If there's any series deserving of 2 new reps, it's DK.
Both Dixie and K Rool just doesn't seem like a stretch to me. At all.
Both are among the top 10 candidates in both chance and want.
I believe they're both even in the top 5 on the RTC thread. (Maybe Dixie is 6th?)
Anyways, seems like the fanbases are divided and one will be disappointed if they only got the other character.
Not many series have been able to have 2 recent major releases.

 

[Deleted member]

DK is definitely getting a stage.
I think I say that Jungle Japes was on both versions, but that will be on the retro page.

With Greninja confirmed, it's a big stretch to say TF is too new.

Like you said, DK is a big series.
I honestly do think DK is big enough for a TF stage, Gangplank Galleon, King K Rool, and Dixie Kong.
With Cranky as the DK assist.
If there's any series deserving of 2 new reps, it's DK.
Both Dixie and K Rool just doesn't seem like a stretch to me. At all.
Both are among the top 10 candidates in both chance and want.
I believe they're both even in the top 5 on the RTC thread. (Maybe Dixie is 6th?)
Anyways, seems like the fanbases are divided and one will be disappointed if they only got the other character.
Not many series have been able to have 2 recent major releases.

I agree, DK can have two reps - my logic is simply up to the point that K. Rool gets in as a newcomer. Once he is in, then the game can also have TF stages, Dixie Kong and the rest of it, but him getting in first is what really matters to me, so that's where I draw the line. Everything I said goes just as well for a second DK newcomer and etc etc, but it seems almost definite we'll get 1 DK newcomer.

 

[Snagrio]

While things can be frustrating and depressing over at Ridley's division, it's nice to come here and Palutena's thread and know that there's still some joy to be had.

Also BKupa's video got Be Prepared stuck in my head...

 

[BKupa666]

Might I suggest adding something about the Kritters inclusion to the counterpoint section? It more or less confirms that the relevance argument is BS.

I'm very strongly considering just posting a picture of those Kritters under that counterpoint next time I update.

What you all are witnessing live is the crumbling of the "relevance" argument before your very eyes. It's barely been 24 hours since the Direct, and already, people are seeing the fallaciousness of what used to qualify as a counterpoint. And that just reinforces why it was awful to begin with.

April 7, no Kremlings in sight, K. Rool has no chance despite his tenure as main villain.
April 8, holy hell, plenty of Kremlings in sight, K. Rool now has a chance again, maybe even a great chance.

I don't know how much more I can stress that years of character importance don't just evaporate when they're not in a new game or two. Those characters aren't blacklisted, dead, retired, or owned by another company. They're just...not in that game. It's as simple as that, despite what you'd come to think after a glance at most Smash speculation threads.

 

[FlareHabanero]

To be honest, it is kind of interesting we haven't had a villain/antagonist newcomer revealed yet.

I suppose that's because characters on par with Bowser and Ganondorf are few and far between. Nintendo isn't a stranger to antagonists, but the likes of Zanza and Ogura are small fry.

Since we know Ridley is out, the strongest choice at the moment is K. Rool.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm very strongly considering just posting a picture of those Kritters under that counterpoint next time I update.

What you all are witnessing live is the crumbling of the "relevance" argument before your very eyes. It's barely been 24 hours since the Direct, and already, people are seeing the fallaciousness of what used to qualify as a counterpoint. And that just reinforces why it was awful to begin with.

April 7, no Kremlings in sight, K. Rool has no chance despite his tenure as main villain.
April 8, holy hell, plenty of Kremlings in sight, K. Rool now has a chance again, maybe even a great chance.

I don't know how much more I can stress that years of character importance don't just evaporate when they're not in a new game or two. Those characters aren't blacklisted, dead, retired, or owned by another company. They're just...not in that game. It's as simple as that, despite what you'd come to think after a glance at most Smash speculation threads.

This is what I have been saying for years. Recency is the SSB4's version of the female argument that was so rampant during the pre-Brawl days. Both points are flawed points that were made out of bias (or in recency's case, pessimism) towards characters. It is now that we are beginning to see this crumble before my eyes and I couldn't be happier to see it destroyed.

Mega Man's inclusion was when the recency argument exposed its many holes. The Kremling's introduction finishes it.

 

[andimidna]

What you all are witnessing live is the crumbling of the "relevance" argument before your very eyes. It's barely been 24 hours since the Direct, and already, people are seeing the fallaciousness of what used to qualify as a counterpoint. And that just reinforces why it was awful to begin with.

April 7, no Kremlings in sight, K. Rool has no chance despite his tenure as main villain.
April 8, holy hell, plenty of Kremlings in sight, K. Rool now has a chance again, maybe even a great chance.

Heh...heh...
Yea, let's not worry about the past, let's look forward to the K Rool filled future!
As much as I still love Dixie more, I hope every K Rool detractor, like I was, has also realized his great chances.
I think K Rool will definitely be at E3. Seems like the most E3-worthy character that isn't basically confirmed or possibly deconfirmed.
I think Palutena might be coming in May, if Smash is releasing in Summer.
I hope Ridley and Mewtwo can still be in, and they're E3 worthy.
But I feel pretty confident that we'll see K Rool and Pac-Man at E3.
I think Dixie will be a secret character, possibly.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sal doesn't have all of the newcomers or characters lol, if he did he'd say so. It's common in these leaks for different people to get different parts. There's only so far you can go until an NDA comes on your ass.

that said...

K. Rool is looking incredibly well. He's practically as to what King Dedede was felt in Melee to Brawl. I'd write more up if I wasn't right now rendering for animation, but for this game? This is the best his chances has looked for just about everything. Unless he's somehow an assist trophy, the only way I see him avoided is if he's opted from the game altogether (asides from trophies). He just doesn't seem like a stage boss to me.

 

[Luigi player]

To be honest, it is kind of interesting we haven't had a villain/antagonist newcomer revealed yet.

Good point.

Maybe they're all just unlockables that will be revealed after the games release.
Ganondorf, MK, Wario, Wolf, K. Rool, Mewtwo, (maybe even Ridley and Bowser Jr?)... that would be so amazing.

 

[BKupa666]

I'm mixed with regard to what I want to happen to K. Rool if he's not playable. If he's a boss or AT, he gets a model that can then be used for Project M alongside Ridley. If he's not, then he's still an option for DLC, which still hasn't been ruled out yet.

 

[Vez]

I'd be incredibly disappointed and somewhat angry at first if K. Rool wasn't playable and I'd forever think it was a missed opportunity, but I'd eventually move on and probably enjoy the games a lot regardless (I enjoyed Melee and Brawl without him, so I'm sure I can enjoy another game without him, as much as I hate to admit it). I'd probably take him being a boss over nothing. Anything is pretty much an improvement from his treatment in Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm mixed with regard to what I want to happen to K. Rool if he's not playable. If he's a boss or AT, he gets a model that can then be used for Project M alongside Ridley. If he's not, then he's still an option for DLC, which still hasn't been ruled out yet.

If Smash 3DS & Wii U gets Project M (don't keep up with that too much), we would rather see a boss/AT scenario, because at least Project M might provide us a playable Rool if Sakurai won't. Because if he fails to show up as playable, he's not going to be DLC. Characters like K. Rool will either be planned from the start or he won't be in. DLC, if any, will be reserved for characters like Roy and Dixie Kong (should they not be in the initial roster). And being a trophy could also mean no playable Rool in Project M.