K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Mysteltainn]

I'm aware that the presence of the Kritters could mean that King K. Rool could end up being a baws, but if that's the case, so be it. What made me happiest about seeing Kritters was that the "Rare owns them" and the "Relevancy" crowds can GTFO; two things that the majority of us here have been rolling our eyes about for YEARS.

That being said, I'm 99% sure the King won't be just an Assist Trophy; it's looking to be more than that at least. However, the fact that the Kritters have been acknowledged is a huge step forward. Add the potential for King K. Rool as moveset material, an E3 hype magnet and Sakurai's obvious (even more-so after the Direct) lust for pure uniqueness and the only thing holding the King back at this point is Sakurai's "Yes or No" in my eyes.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

The nice thing about most N64 games is that they're relatively cheap to get; especially in comparison to games on other consoles. Even the most expensive games aren't Earthbound-level of expenses. If I were to start seriously collecting, this could be the only console that I could get all the games on. Of course games I want to play are first priority, though, like Rare games.

Actually, the GameCube is mostly cheap if you know where to look, and you get the games as well, but yeah. The most expensive game even if you were to get a full collection is Clayfighter 63/1

http://n4g.com/news/1462696/the-most-expensive-nintendo-64-games (can't link directly on this PoS)

 

[ikemachine]

So king k rool I feel is going to end up being a boss. Same with ridley. I just hope that sakurai just trolls us and makes king k rool bosses and playable

 

[Spazzy_D]

Honestly, showing up as a boss wouldn't be the worst thing for K. Rool, it would at least get him some spot light. (Not saying I think it will happen, just saying if it does happen.)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Boss status wouldn't nearly be the worst thing in the world. K.Rool can use any exposition he can get.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm surprised that we see K. Rool being a boss in a more positive light than Ridley. Then again, most of us are just glad the Kremlings aren't dead.

 

[Oatmeal.]

Right when I thought all hopes were lost for King K.Rool....his minions show up in Smash Run. WHY MUST MY LIFE BE A GUESSING GAME?

 

[Banjodorf]

I'm surprised that we see K. Rool being a boss in a more positive light than Ridley. Then again, most of us are just glad the Kremlings aren't dead.

That's pretty much it. While we all really want K. Rool playable, our main obstacle and thing that detracted from him being the most agreed upon newcomer, and the stigma he faced, was that he and the Kremlings were dead or dying. Whether he's playable or not, we win, because that's clearly not how it is.

Ridley's fight was to be a playable character. It's incredibly disappointing, but at least not all was for naught in boss reptile land.

 

[FalKoopa]

Not to bash on the character, but I've always thought Dixie Kong would make a nice Assist Trophy. If she's not playable, that would probably be a good role for her until Smash 5.

I don't think Dixie has anything that stands out that would make her an AT. And now we have Midna, so chances of Dixie being an AT is slim.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm surprised that we see K. Rool being a boss in a more positive light than Ridley. Then again, most of us are just glad the Kremlings aren't dead.

Am surprised how negative the Ridley fanbase is, and in a way, even dellusional. It's not like Metroid was completely shafted at all in Brawl cause of no Ridley. Honestly, Zero Suit Samus DID COUNT as a newcomer. Sure, she is Samus to. But did anyone complain about Sheik in the same way in Melee? Didn't think so. The fact Samus alone is important enough to have two entities of herself playble is a big sign of respect from Sakurai. Plus, both Ridley and Meta Ridley where bosses in Brawl. Plus Metroid got ample stage representation.

For DKC, Diddy's addition to Brawl was DKC's saving grace. Literally everything else was done wrong. Arcade stage. Jungle Beat stage. Barrel Canon item removed, Spring item added... No DKC ATs at all. And right now, Metroid is having a lot more ATs, a new stage and other stuff that represents the series well. Am not seeing why Metroid fans feel they get the shorter end of the stick. DKC is after all a far better known series, even the 'true Retro fans aka Prime was the pinaccle of gaming fanbase' can't deny this.

Not to start any tribulation between DKC / K.Rool and Metroid / Ridley fans here (if so, feel free to infuriate me with Sheik) but I felt this had to be said. It's not like Metroid is the ONLY series that hasn't quite had a satisfactionary amount of representation in Smash! No, not at all.

 

[BKupa666]

Guys, stop trashing the Ridley fans in this thread. They've been our closest allies among the support threads from day one of their creation, and it's astounding how little empathy some of you are having for them at the moment.

Their current state of disappointment and anger is completely justified, since Ridley is the only character out there surrounded by a culture of such ignorant hate. They get no support from most Smash fans, either; a million TooBigots can curse out, berate and troll against Ridley fans, but the moment one Ridley fan counters with logic, they're considered "equally bad, exactly the same," and all that crap. What's more, Sakurai is being an absolute jackarse to them at the moment, jerking around their hopes all for what will probably end up amounting to nothing. He's done that with no other character to date, ever, other than arguably Palutena, and heaven knows, her fans don't have to worry, what with her being his baby and all.

Also, related to Ridley, you all shouldn't exactly be happy if K. Rool ends up being a boss, beyond just him not being playable. Depending on what happens to the purple space dragon, being stuck in a boss role could potentially be the very worst thing for K. Rool in a Sakurai-made Smash game. It could signify that he never viewed him as playable material at all, and won't upgrade him in the future.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Yeah, I do feel sorry for the Ridley fans. There's an extremely strong possibility that the character will be snubbed again and we'll have to deal with yet another round of bullcrap. But at the same time, I don't think we should be treating anyone in particular as the scapegoat.

 

[cephalopod17]

Ridley and K. Rool are very similar. Both evil reptiles, both highly requested for Smash Bros. and both series have traditionally not had the best representation in Smash. No matter what happens to either reptile, we should continue to support them for this game and the next until they get in.

 

[Banjodorf]

Oh, I totally understand the plight of Ridley fans who are more passionate than I right now. Like I said. We'd feel like we were in the same boat right now if Sakurai had put Tikis and Snowmads on Smash Run instead. Or worse, just Tikis. (Well, almost. It's not quite comparable to the Ridley ordeal.)

I'm not even faulting them for their anger right now. Metroid is getting alot of content, but it's pretty much the same kind of thing we saw in Brawl. We as Kremling fans also get to know THEY aren't gone forever. So in a way, we're both gaining something big, but not quite enough. The difference is, now we can say "Let's have K. Rool playable!" (Even right now!!) and people that say "Kremels irevlemerrrr" are just plain wrong and we have visual proof.

Ridley fanatics now have to suffer through an even greater paramount of stupidity, for an indefinite amount of time.

I really think we should put forth some concentrated effort, maybe getting the PMBR's help on their behalf to make the Ridley dream a reality at last.

 

[BKupa666]

The difference is, right now, the sky is the limit for K. Rool. He's been slowly rising ever since Diddy's reveal, and the Kremlings' return may just be a new beginning for him, starting with some role in Smash and a potential new DKC appearance. Ridley, on the other hand, has enjoyed prominence since Melee, but now has to face the potential reality that he'll never become playable in Smash until Sakurai is out of the picture. Unless bosses are just automatically ruled out, K. Rool could get in now, or he could get in later. There's less urgency where he's concerned.

 

[FalKoopa]

I really think we should put forth some concentrated effort, maybe getting the PMBR's help on their behalf to make the Ridley dream a reality at last.

Didn't they tease Ridley in their April Fools video? Make of it what you want.

So, back on topic, what are the chances of Kremlings returning in the next DKC game? They definitely rose now that we've seen them in Smash run but are they shoo-ins for the next DKC?

 

[Banjodorf]

Didn't they tease Ridley in their April Fools video? Make of it what you want.

So, back on topic, what are the chances of Kremlings returning in the next DKC game? They definitely rose now that we've seen them in Smash run but are they shoo-ins for the next DKC?

It depends on a couple things:

1. Whether or not Retro is heading the next DKC game. (Likely)
2. If so, whether they decide to try and create a new feel for the Kremlings and K. Rool, or make their own villains again that are destined to be compared negatively to the Kremlings, or just be worse objectively if they're Tikis.

I think we'll see them, I just don't know where exactly.

 

[Snagrio]

It's definitely been tough for Ridley's followers. Just to test the waters over at NintendoLife I brought him up in the Smash thread.

Now you've gotta understand, NL users are typically a more optimistic, lenient bunch. But not for Ridley. A whole page of posts later, and just about everybody counted him out.

I sincerely hope Ridley ends up playable if only to make up for all the crap his fans have had to dealt with for over a decade.

At least with the Kremlings' return, we can rest easy knowing that some justice has been served.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Boss or playable looking good for the king to b in smash bros 4

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I don't think Dixie has anything that stands out that would make her an AT. And now we have Midna, so chances of Dixie being an AT is slim.

No one saw Dark Samus as AT material. Anything's possible, not that I think she should be AT.

Guys, stop trashing the Ridley fans in this thread. They've been our closest allies among the support threads from day one of their creation, and it's astounding how little empathy some of you are having for them at the moment.

Their current state of disappointment and anger is completely justified, since Ridley is the only character out there surrounded by a culture of such ignorant hate. They get no support from most Smash fans, either; a million TooBigots can curse out, berate and troll against Ridley fans, but the moment one Ridley fan counters with logic, they're considered "equally bad, exactly the same," and all that crap. What's more, Sakurai is being an absolute jackarse to them at the moment, jerking around their hopes all for what will probably end up amounting to nothing. He's done that with no other character to date, ever, other than arguably Palutena, and heaven knows, her fans don't have to worry, what with her being his baby and all.

Also, related to Ridley, you all shouldn't exactly be happy if K. Rool ends up being a boss, beyond just him not being playable. Depending on what happens to the purple space dragon, being stuck in a boss role could potentially be the very worst thing for K. Rool in a Sakurai-made Smash game. It could signify that he never viewed him as playable material at all, and won't upgrade him in the future.

In regards to the last paragraph, this was something I actually had in mind as well, but wasn't sure if I wanted to say it due to being something others wouldn't like to hear or the responses I'd might get. Yeah, if Ridley's any indication, I would be scared for K. Rool if he was a boss in this game, because it's always possible or likely they could just keep that role for him in the next Smash down the line as well as opposed to making him playable after that. Hell, after Pyrophere, I (or part of me) would be kinda Paranoid if we got Gankplank Galleon since we pretty much know what happens to some villains who get their own stage now. *rolls eyes*

And I'll just say it now, if the situations Ridley and K. Rool had deal with were reversed (Ridley fans fighting against muh relevancy and having kind of a rivalry with popular supporting characters of the same series, while K. Rool fans had to deal with toobigots and the like on regular basis, 7 to 8 months of teasing with a stage over a likely deconfirmation from Sakurai, being teased by the Project M team like on April 1st, and whatever else I can think of), we would all pretty much still be the same as we are here now, no matter how one might argue otherwise. Or, what Banjodorf said if we had just gotten Tikis and Snowmads in Smash instead of Kremlings. In any case, I wouldn't be judgmental to you guys if the situations were reversed like some of us were being.

As per the current topic question, it's really hard to say right now how much Sakurai would inspire the rest of Nintendo to use Kremlings again (if at all). I just hope we don't have to wait for a different development team to make another DK simply for that, or worse, Kremlings only appearing in spinoffs or something as opposed to anymore main platformers. But at least we still have something to go off of.

 

[BKupa666]

So, back on topic, what are the chances of Kremlings returning in the next DKC game? They definitely rose now that we've seen them in Smash run but are they shoo-ins for the next DKC?

They're only shoo-ins for the next DKC if K. Rool is playable, what with how extensively Retro lifted from the Kongs' Brawl appearances (giant punch, spammable hand slap, popguns, jetpack). Otherwise, there's no way to tell for sure. Kremlings and Animal Buddies are basically the last two major requests fans have made of Retro that they didn't listen to with Tropical Freeze (they nailed David Wise, more Kongs, water and ice levels, no Tikis, etc.). If they want to close the trilogy with DK's main antagonists, they will; otherwise, we'll just get the umpteenth one-off, described quite accurately above by @ Banjodorf .

 

[Mysteltainn]

No one saw Dark Samus as AT material. Anything's possible, not that I think she should be AT.


In regards to the last paragraph, this was something I actually had in mind as well, but wasn't sure if I wanted to say it due to being something others wouldn't like to hear or the responses I'd might get. Yeah, if Ridley's any indication, I would be scared for K. Rool if he was a boss in this game, because it's always possible or likely they could just keep that role for him in the next Smash down the line as well as opposed to making him playable after that. Hell, after Pyrophere, I (or part of me) would be kinda Paranoid if we got Gankplank Galleon since we pretty much know what happens to some villains who get their own stage now. *rolls eyes*

And I'll just say it now, if the situations Ridley and K. Rool had deal with were reversed (Ridley fans fighting against muh relevancy and having kind of a rivalry with popular supporting characters of the same series, while K. Rool fans had to deal with toobigots and the like on regular basis, 7 to 8 months of teasing with a stage over a likely deconfirmation from Sakurai, being teased by the Project M team like on April 1st, and whatever else I can think of), we would all pretty much still be the same as we are here now, no matter how one might argue otherwise. Or, what Banjodorf said if we had just gotten Tikis and Snowmads in Smash instead of Kremlings. In any case, I wouldn't be judgmental to you guys if the situations were reversed like some of us were being.

As per the current topic question, it's really hard to say right now how much Sakurai would inspire the rest of Nintendo to use Kremlings again (if at all). I just hope we don't have to wait for a different development team to make another DK simply for that, or worse, Kremlings only appearing in spinoffs or something as opposed to anymore main platformers. But at least we still have something to go off of.

You guys bring up a good point I hadn't thought of regarding the boss... It would be just like Sakurai to add K. Rool as a boss and say "Well, it is good now, yes?" and leave him that way for good; as an "easy way out" sort of way of dealing with K. Rool fans.

Concerning the Ridley issue: If the tables were turned and we had to spend every update gawking at Gangplank Galleon worried sick if the King would be a hazard, then yeah, I think we'd be just as rightfully bitter as the Ridley fans are... Come on guys, we're just human too, lol.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Alright Suck-UR-Eye, just tell us whether our beloved Kremling King is in Smash or not! If you don't fess up, then our beloved Klaptraps would like to feast on your entire crew.

 

[Louie G.]

Things are looking good for King K. Rool.
I'm more confident than ever now. Let's cross our fingers that the Kremlings do point to our favorite King.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Before this Direct, I really wanted a Gangplank Galleon stage. Now I'm not so sure, given what it could mean. If anything, I want a Sunset Shore stage, where every character is a silhouette.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Sunset Shore would be an amazing stage. I just hope that if we get Gangplank Galleon, it'll be post-release so we don't have to be paranoid about the king's chances.

 

[BKupa666]

How would K. Rool even work as a stage boss? You have guys like the Yellow Devil and presumably Ridley in there as stage hazards that explode when defeated as an incentive to defeat them. Does K. Rool just drop dead as bananas rain down or something? Blegh, just thinking about something so forced makes me want to go shower. K. Rool would be just as bad of a Smash boss as Ridley.

 

[Louie G.]

K. Rool would be just as bad of a Smash boss as Ridley.

Sorry to put a damper on things, but Ridley works rather well as either a boss or playable imo.
That being said K. Rool is not Smash boss material. Has anyone even brought up the idea? It's a terrible one.

 

[Deleted member]

K. Rool really doesn't work as a boss all that well. He's too small and his attack set, while he has a few moves that use a large ranged hitbox, is not made for a natural boss fight. It worked in the DKC games because he was also a constant hitbox and obviously had super armor, things which don't fit well at all on a fairly small boss. It's just awkward.

An assist trophy would be a huge waste but would actually make a lick of sense.

 

[BKupa666]

Sorry to put a damper on things, but Ridley works rather well as either a boss or playable imo.
That being said K. Rool is not Smash boss material. Has anyone even brought up the idea? It's a terrible one.

Strongly disagree. Ridley works well as a boss within the context of Metroid games, where he's free to be a speedy, tricky-to-hit moving target. Smash Ridley, however, is a Dyna Blade clone in Brawl; he floats lazily in place while you pummel away at him, only occasionally going on the offensive.

SSB4 Ridley, from what we've seen thus far, is as bad, if not worse; he just casually picks up Pikachu and carries him away, as if he were a Dragon Tales dragon, not a bloodthirsty killer. I consider that to be character assassination, not a faithful portrayal. K. Rool would most likely be no better off.

 

[Louie G.]

@ BKupa666
Now I see where you're coming from.
If he was a bit more true to character Ridley would make a better boss, I suppose.
I would prefer a playable appearance, but a boss role makes some sense for the guy.

 

[Snagrio]

I'm all for a Gangplank Galleon stage, as long as we see K. Rool playable at the same time.

 

[Kickback]

Before this Direct, I really wanted a Gangplank Galleon stage. Now I'm not so sure, given what it could mean. If anything, I want a Sunset Shore stage, where every character is a silhouette.

Why are you afraid of the gangplank? I think the gangplank would raise his chances even more, I mean why add a level that belongs to one single charecter if he isnt playable?)considering all of DKs previous stages has pretty much been generic jungle levels that you can't really tell which game it comes from I'd take it as a sing of hope before doom.

Yes I get the other stages may also include bosses thing sakurai said but they already have gerudo village, pyro spher and dr willys castle.

Also why are so many people here content with secound best? Shouldn't we hope for pc and demand a explanation if he is not on the roster? Our King deserves the very best after so many years of beeing traped in the vault do you not agree my fellow kutthroats?

 

[BKupa666]

@ BKupa666
Now I see where you're coming from.
If he was a bit more true to character Ridley would make a better boss, I suppose.
I would prefer a playable appearance, but a boss role makes some sense for the guy.

I agree, if done well, Ridley could make for a good Smash boss, moreso than K. Rool ever would.

With Gangplank Galleon, I'd be less worried about K. Rool being a boss there. Unlike the Pyrosphere, where any hazard but Ridley is a bit of a stretch other than maybe lava, you can easily have falling cannonballs, storms, Kremlings, Neckies, and the like as hazards onboard without delegating K. Rool to that role.

 

[FalKoopa]

How would K. Rool even work as a stage boss? You have guys like the Yellow Devil and presumably Ridley in there as stage hazards that explode when defeated as an incentive to defeat them. Does K. Rool just drop dead as bananas rain down or something? Blegh, just thinking about something so forced makes me want to go shower. K. Rool would be just as bad of a Smash boss as Ridley.

The only stages where K. Rool would make sense as a boss would be Gangplank Galleon, and the Flying Krock. It's reasonable that he would do what he does during his boss fights.

But I'd rather see this in a DKC game than in Smash.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Sunset Shore is best Lord.

 

[Mysteltainn]

Just food for thought. In the event that we don't see King K. Rool at E3, what do you guys feel his likeliness of still being in are? Do you think that he'd still be a secret character that Sakurai holds out until the end? I personally feel he'd be perfect E3 material, and would be a wee bit worried if I don't see him there.

 

[Sehnsucht]

How would K. Rool even work as a stage boss? You have guys like the Yellow Devil and presumably Ridley in there as stage hazards that explode when defeated as an incentive to defeat them. Does K. Rool just drop dead as bananas rain down or something? Blegh, just thinking about something so forced makes me want to go shower. K. Rool would be just as bad of a Smash boss as Ridley.

Cannonballs rain from the sky, hitting everyone who didn't deal the last blow.

......

 

[BKupa666]

The only stages where K. Rool would make sense as a boss would be Gangplank Galleon, and the Flying Krock. It's reasonable that he would do what he does during his boss fights.

But I'd rather see this in a DKC game than in Smash.

It's reasonable that he'd borrow from his DKC fights, but look at all of the Brawl bosses, and also the Yellow Devil. Their attacks are all massive, sweeping ones capable of knocking out multiple characters in a single blow. I can't see anything in K. Rool's repertoire that could remotely resemble those, aside from maybe raining cannonballs or jumping around the stage. Barring "creativity," nothing he does makes me think he'd translate well as a Smash boss.

 

[FalKoopa]

It's reasonable that he'd borrow from his DKC fights, but look at all of the Brawl bosses, and also the Yellow Devil. Their attacks are all massive, sweeping ones capable of knocking out multiple characters in a single blow. I can't see anything in K. Rool's repertoire that could remotely resemble those, aside from maybe raining cannonballs or jumping around the stage. Barring "creativity," nothing he does makes me think he'd translate well as a Smash boss.

About that, Ridley's boss fight in Brawl isn't exactly an accurate representation of his character either. He borrows lot of moves from Dyna Blade from Kirby Super Star. What I'm getting at is that it's not impossible for Sakurai to invent/borrow moves from other games, if he's hell bent on making K. Rool a boss.