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K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

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Yeah, I feel that K Rool would makes more sense as an Assist Trophy than as smash boss material imo.

Anyway happy to see that the Kremlings are back and there was no better game for that than this one, I wish you good luck for the future Kuttroats, both for Smash and DKC games.
 
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I find it to be playable or nothing for King K. Rool.
I guess he could be an Assist Trophy... but that wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. A stage hazard wouldn't make sense at all as well; I guess he could shoot Kannonballs and make them rain down like in his final boss fight in DKC, but that should really be his Final Smash or the Kremlings shoot them themselves in the background. I can't even see King K. Rool be a boss in Smash as he doesn't really scream "boss material" in my opinion.

If King K. Rool is going to get in Smash, it's all or nothing (meaning misc. trophies and stickers).
 
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Didn't find any real reason to come 'round this thread until the Kremlings showed up in Smash Run.

I'm more hopeful than ever now.
 
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I think that you should also look at the Kid Icarus Uprising bosses, just in case.
If we extend to Kid Icarus: Uprising, the closest thing K. Rool could be like is Cragalanche. Even then, I doubt that K. Rool would be like that.

Nintendo already owned the Kremlings.....
The title of the thread is referencing the people who thought the Kremlings and K. Rool were owned by Rare...
 
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Yo kupa, do you think you can add Sawmill Thrill, Frozen Frenzy, and Volcano Dome DKCTF to my Flying Kroc tracklist? Im still listening through em, so ill let u know if I find more suited for it.

Also, what do you guys think of the Rocket Barrel music during the item presentation of the direct? Not that it has a major effect on our Kreming King, but at least the Donkey Kong series got some musical love, even if it is from the new country games.
 

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Also, related to Ridley, you all shouldn't exactly be happy if K. Rool ends up being a boss, beyond just him not being playable. Depending on what happens to the purple space dragon, being stuck in a boss role could potentially be the very worst thing for K. Rool in a Sakurai-made Smash game. It could signify that he never viewed him as playable material at all, and won't upgrade him in the future.
I would love to hear you're opinion on this and how would you feel if this were true, if you don't mind (and everyone else for the matter).

From a logical and technical stand point, there's no reason not to add K. Rool (this goes for Ridley as well). Indeed, if Sakurai believes that K. Rool isn't fighter material, I'll be utterly confused.

I'll be quite honest with you, if Sakurai believes that both Ridley and K. Rool aren't playable material, and are better off for other roles for this game and the next, I seriously want a new director (I'm really, really, really, hoping I don't regret saying this). Or something to happen, like Sakurai to have a revelation or external people to butt in, and make him change his philosophies/views towards such characters.

I'm hoping the Kremlings will mean good news for K. Rool, though. I'm anxious to know if he's playable or not now haha.
 

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The number one thing that makes me hopeful for K. Rool's playable inclusion (along with the appearance of the Kritters) is that it wold be awfully odd for DK to not get a newcomer, given the series' recent resurgence. Especially with how popular Returns was.
 
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Are there any Kirby bosses that Sakurai could theoretically rip off in designing a K. Rool boss?
You know, I can't think of a single reptilian Kirby boss. It's just another sign of how unique K. Rool is for this game, being the sole remaining heavyweight and villain who has any good chance to be a newcomer. If there isn't one of those I'd be very surprised as it's the most obvious archetype to include. I also hardly think Bowser and Dedede cover everything in the archetype. That is one of the only remaining (stupid) arguments Sakurai could level against K. Rool - "why include a comical, heavyweight villain when the perfect Dedede did everything?" It is as bad as the "Bowser clone" "argument," though, so not worried.
 

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I would love to hear you're opinion on this and how would you feel if this were true, if you don't mind (and everyone else for the matter).

From a logical and technical stand point, there's no reason not to add K. Rool (this goes for Ridley as well). Indeed, if Sakurai believes that K. Rool isn't fighter material, I'll be utterly confused.

I'll be quite honest with you, if Sakurai believes that both Ridley and K. Rool aren't playable material, and are better off for other roles for this game and the next, I seriously want a new director (I'm really, really, really, hoping I don't regret saying this). Or something to happen, like Sakurai to have a revelation or external people to butt in, and make him change his philosophies/views towards such characters.

I'm hoping the Kremlings will mean good news for K. Rool, though. I'm anxious to know if he's playable or not now haha.
Thing is, there's no way of really knowing for sure, unless some new quote comes out about bosses "not being fit for the roster" or something. Ridley might follow that rule in Sakurai's mind, while K. Rool doesn't yet still becomes a boss because, I don't know, he wants to see him in another DKC before adding him as playable, or something equally mundane. If bosses were indeed doomed to never become playable, I'd also prefer that a gamble be taken on a new developer would might think differently rather than to keep the one who doesn't.
 
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Their current state of disappointment and anger is completely justified, since Ridley is the only character out there surrounded by a culture of such ignorant hate.
I sort of disagree with this. Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii are other characters that I feel are pretty inundated with ignorant hatred. Little Mac still has a small but vocal camp that thinks he looks boring and "can only punch". It takes true ignorance of punching as a fighting form, as well as some outlandishly high standards concerning movesets, to see Mac as boring and unjustified, in my opinion. Pac-Man is possibly the most hated newcomer among the fanbase, depending on where you look, but whether or not you support him, there will always be people in denial that actually think Greninja is more important than him; a result of "Sakurai is always right" mentality, "relevunce", and manifestation of personal bias. In Mii's case, much of the hate can arguably be justified, but the outright contempt for this "character" I find to be over-reactionary and unnecessarily heated. I don't like Mii either, but I don't really see how including them would bring about armageddon, as some people treat it as. Even Mewtwo gets a lot of unjustified hate for some reason.

However, Ridley is certainly the character with the most irrational arguments claimed against him (too big, yada yada). That, I can agree with. The Ridley thread can be insane at times; no other character gets as much unjustified negative attention, and no other support base gets as much crap simply for their support. As has been stated before, Ridley's monumental history of support has made many of his fans bitter, and haters like to prey upon his uncertainty to make his fans feel bad. If K. Rool were teased as much as Ridley, we'd be no less reactive. Luckily, we are spared of such a fate, especially since the Kritters help us more than they hurt us. I'd say that Ridley's status as the de facto "most logical newcomer since 2001" also makes him a prime target for trolls, as they know that targeting that fanbase over others will ruffle the most feathers. You'll also get the occasional hipster that only dislikes Ridley for being so obvious of a choice.

We should all try to remember that targeting a fictional character as an object of hatred in general is already pretty low. We're all people here, and we all have characters we want to see become playable. The best we can do is hope for the best for ourselves and others, and have faith that Sakurai will deliver us the roster that will please the most amount of people. The possible deconfirmation of Ridley (I'm not entirely convinced he's out for the count yet) justifies the anger in his fanbase because this surely lessens our faith in Sakurai to deliver that coveted "perfect" roster.

I would also agree in that I'd definitely take the risk of replacing Sakurai if he excludes both Ridley and K. Rool for such a reason as "bosses shouldn't be playable." Ganondorf laughs at that statement.

 

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@ BridgesWithTurtles BridgesWithTurtles I say that Ridley is the only character surrounded by a culture of hate, because it's more extreme than what you see with other characters. Other characters get hate, but it's not a meme to hate those characters. They don't have people creating multiple GameFAQs accounts with which to create daily anti-character topics. They don't have morons creating series of YouTube videos calling that character's fans delusional. What's more, Ridley fans get such unwarranted crap simply for defending their character, as any other character would against their detractors. Pacman fans aren't "as bad as" Pacman detractors for calling spades, spades and laughing at stupid arguments. Are Ridley fans maybe more frenzied than average? Yes, but that comes with the territory of having to say the same things over and over.

Thankfully, K. Rool doesn't have to deal with any of that, though I wonder, if he were a major Brawl request that got passed over, would that sort of 'pick on K. Rool' mentality have emerged with him as well?
 
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@ BridgesWithTurtles BridgesWithTurtles I say that Ridley is the only character surrounded by a culture of hate, because it's more extreme than what you see with other characters. Other characters get hate, but it's not a meme to hate those characters. They don't have people creating multiple GameFAQs accounts with which to create daily anti-character topics. They don't have morons creating series of YouTube videos calling that character's fans delusional. What's more, Ridley fans get such unwarranted crap simply for defending their character, as any other character would against their detractors. Pacman fans aren't "as bad as" Pacman detractors for calling spades, spades and laughing at stupid arguments. Are Ridley fans maybe more frenzied than average? Yes, but that comes with the territory of having to say the same things over and over.

Thankfully, K. Rool doesn't have to deal with any of that, though I wonder, if he were a major Brawl request that got passed over, would that sort of 'pick on K. Rool' mentality have emerged with him as well?
I doubt such a mentality would have come up for K. Rool. Remember that for Ridley, he got dealt with the infamous quote of Sakurai declaring him impossible to work with but that if they tried, he might be a little slow. That probably escalated the detraction against Ridley and force fans to be even more on the offensive. I don't think Sakurai would leave out K. Rool because he doesn't see him working, but rather because he for some strange reason, doesn't find him worthy of a spot. And unlike with Ridley, Sakurai couldn't even begin to hide into the BS "he can't work" excuse with K. Rool, almost everyone would know that right away.

A big concern that surrounded K. Rool before the Smash Direct was that if he did not get in this game, he would fade into obscurity. Since that has a chance of not being the case, it is possible that in the event K. Rool is not in Smash, Sakurai could give him a different look at SSB6 if he made a major appearance in the next Donkey Kong game (not that recency is an issue, but it would cement to Sakurai that K. Rool is an very important DK character that should be top priority to add).
 
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That makes me want to see a pic of the day featuring the Kritters in some way.

"Pic of the day. These are Kritters. They're longtime foes of Donkey and Diddy Kong, and appear as enemies in Smash Run. Does their leader know they're here?"
 

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@ Neighbor_Kid Neighbor_Kid Next time I update this thread, you're on. Welcome to the thread!

Yo kupa, do you think you can add Sawmill Thrill, Frozen Frenzy, and Volcano Dome DKCTF to my Flying Kroc tracklist? Im still listening through em, so ill let u know if I find more suited for it.

Also, what do you guys think of the Rocket Barrel music during the item presentation of the direct? Not that it has a major effect on our Kreming King, but at least the Donkey Kong series got some musical love, even if it is from the new country games.
Will add these as well. I was pleasantly surprised to hear the Rocket Barrel music, and it makes sense to be there, since it's pretty much the single most memorable original song from Returns (and it recurs in Tropical Freeze, too). I was actually wondering whether David Wise himself composed this new version, since it has a similar jazzy flair to many of his Tropical Freeze tracks. Anyhow, a Retro DKC stage is rightfully a lock, so yeah, no affect on K. Rool. Gangplank Galleon would only get in alongside a Retro DKC stage, not before it.
 
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Guys, I was thinking about what personality would be best to go for next time K. Rool appears in a DKC game and I can't believe it never occurred to me before.

General K. Rool, anyone?
 

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I don't like all these new people flocking to the thread now that Kremlings have been shown. How convenient that you want to be a Kutthroat all of a sudden, I wonder what could have ever possessed you to want to join the club. Oh, and people that were against K. Rool but now all of a sudden kiss his enormous green scaly ass are just bad people. If it were my thread, I would make you walk the plank.
 
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Guys, I was thinking about what personality would be best to go for next time K. Rool appears in a DKC game and I can't believe it never occurred to me before.

General K. Rool, anyone?
The fact Sakurai brought back generic Kremlings may be a sign that simply King K. Rool will return, considering he is the most iconic one and hasn't featured at all in the new Retro trilogy, so they have nowhere to go from the default. He needs a palette cleanse after his wacky drug-fueled Paon days.
 
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I don't like all these new people flocking to the thread now that Kremlings have been shown. How convenient that you want to be a Kutthroat all of a sudden, I wonder what could have ever possessed you to want to join the club. Oh, and people that were against K. Rool but now all of a sudden kiss his enormous green scaly *** are just bad people. If it were my thread, I would make you walk the plank.
Not sure if serious or not.

...if not, then dang I'm bad at recognizing jokes.
 

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*Looks at thread name*

Last time I checked, Nintendo owned the rights to the Kremlings since Super Mario Strikers and the rights to King K. Rool since Super Mario Sluggers.
 

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I don't like all these new people flocking to the thread now that Kremlings have been shown. How convenient that you want to be a Kutthroat all of a sudden, I wonder what could have ever possessed you to want to join the club. Oh, and people that were against K. Rool but now all of a sudden kiss his enormous green scaly *** are just bad people. If it were my thread, I would make you walk the plank.
Assuming you're serious:


Support is support after all.
 
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*Looks at thread name*

Last time I checked, Nintendo owned the rights to the Kremlings since Super Mario Strikers and the rights to King K. Rool since Super Mario Sluggers.
It's just a joke about how people foolishly claim that K. Rool is owned by Rare (LOLNO) and this would show that he hasn't and not for years. Appropriate if you ask me.
 
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Assuming you're serious:


Support is support after all.
Is it? IS IT???
"lol i thot krool had no chance cuz hes ownd by rare and hasnt been in a game sense 1986 and hes a bowser clone but now that i think he has a good shot imma join the bandwagon"
 

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Part of me definitely agrees with what you're saying Welshy, about some of the people who were vocally against K. Rool before now speaking in favor of him or wanting to be a Kutthroat. I would sorta want to tell them to take a hike too if I was the thread owner, but.. there is a thing called turning the other cheek, being the better man, or something. Besides, increased support for a character is still increased support, regardless of the convenient circumstances.
 

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Part of me definitely agrees with what you're saying Welshy, about some of the people who were vocally against K. Rool before now speaking in favor of him or wanting to be a Kutthroat. I would sorta want to tell them to take a hike too if I was the thread owner, but.. there is a thing called turning the other cheek, being the better man, or something. Besides, increased support for a character is still increased support, regardless of the convenient circumstances.
But if they punch you in that cheek too, you've got all of our (probably) permission to tell them to take a hike. :awesome:
 

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Part of me definitely agrees with what you're saying Welshy, about some of the people who were vocally against K. Rool before now speaking in favor of him or wanting to be a Kutthroat. I would sorta want to tell them to take a hike too if I was the thread owner, but.. there is a thing called turning the other cheek, being the better man, or something. Besides, increased support for a character is still increased support, regardless of the convenient circumstances.
I am not so merciful or patient. K. Rool didn't need their support before, why in the hell would he need wishy-washy flavor-of-the-month support now? People amaze me.
 
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I can see this going bad.

Let's be careful to not get into some unnecessary arguments here. I'd rather avoid a ton of drama if possible, we already have more than enough of that.
 

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I can see this going bad.

Let's be careful to not get into some unnecessary arguments here. I'd rather avoid a ton of drama if possible, we already have more than enough of that.
Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was America. I thought I had the right to call people out on being Wannabe Kutthroats in a forum of discussion. I thought I had the right to belligerent and uncompromising in my beliefs, whilst scrutinizing others for their own. I thought I had the right to be who I am, while calling people assholes for being who they are. I thought this was America...
 

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Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was America. I thought I had the right to call people out on being Wannabe Kutthroats in a forum of discussion. I thought I had the right to belligerent and uncompromising in my beliefs, whilst scrutinizing others for their own. I thought I had the right to be who I am, while calling people *******s for being who they are. I thought this was America...
Just because you can doesn't mean you should...
 
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