john

[keeper]

There was a kid at my school named "John Johns" last year.

 

[Yuna-Maria]

There was a kid at my school named "John Johns" last year.

Martian Manhunter?

 

[alejandroidex]

also here in mexico people Juans(john) about part of the list that phanna post.

No Juans XD.

 

[atzero]

johnin about johns

 

[Crazy_mofo213]

I kinda don't see how sportsmanship can be considered a john, but ohh well.

 

[Figgz]

Wow you're asian what chance did I have..

funny

 

[JBM falcon08]

No Johns.

(Unsubscribing)

 

[KAOSTAR]

Im not 100% on the positive johns thing but whatever, no bad johns and its all good

 

[MarioMariox2]

Im not 100% on the positive johns thing but whatever, no bad johns and its all good

Stop johning. LOL j/k

 

[KAOSTAR]

For some reason I expected that

 

[ぱみゅ]

is there an actual way of say something in competition unless johnning?

 

[Pi]

is there an actual way of say something in competition unless johnning?

No
Shut up
Don't even acknowledge you're playing me
And don't you dare try to shake my hand
Good day sir!

 

[joeplicate]

shane johns

 

[1048576]

I realize it's pretty much all a joke at this point

"My flight was delayed so I missed the tournament"
"No johns!"

but I still don't like the sportsmanship johns list. Like, the whole point of a john is to avoid acknowledging that you are bad and/or your opponent is good. Saying you lost because you suck or your opponent is good is actually the antithesis of johning. It's admitting the real reason you lost (supposedly.)

 

[joeplicate]

well it's kind of cheating yourself out of a fair shot, or putting your opponent on a pedestal when they're actually a lot closer to you

"i was playing bad" means that you sold yourself into a bad mood and you're acknowledging it (and blaming your loss on it to an extent)
JOHNS

"you're too good man" indicates that at some point you stopped trying because you had either built up your opponent as unbeatable in your mind, or didn't think that it would be appropriate for yourself to beat this person yet (wtf i can't beat zhu, he's a monster and i suck) so you ended up selling yourself short
JOHNS

it's just all different things you can do to be in a bad mental spot

 

[Byron 1337]

QUTOE= GUY AT THE TOP OF FIRST PAGE
"Insult johns
• **** you, you ****** ****er"

Oh man, I laughed so hard.

 

[KAOSTAR]

well it's kind of cheating yourself out of a fair shot, or putting your opponent on a pedestal when they're actually a lot closer to you

"i was playing bad" means that you sold yourself into a bad mood and you're acknowledging it (and blaming your loss on it to an extent)
JOHNS

"you're too good man" indicates that at some point you stopped trying because you had either built up your opponent as unbeatable in your mind, or didn't think that it would be appropriate for yourself to beat this person yet (wtf i can't beat zhu, he's a monster and i suck) so you ended up selling yourself short
JOHNS

it's just all different things you can do to be in a bad mental spot

Oh wow, I never thought of it like that, but it makes alot of sense.

 

[Eggz]

shane johns

yellow power

 

[keeper]

Shane Johns is full of Johns and does nothing but John on his Johns all day.

 

[Matthew2537]

I actually say some of those things to my friend when we play melee friendlies XD

 

[KAOSTAR]

I actually say some of those things to my friend when we play melee friendlies XD

no sh*t, if you didnt then this thread would proliferate fallacy with its existence.

 

[Tenouh]

Can someone explain to me in extremely vivid detail how "youre too good" is a john? me and my friend had over an hour of discussion time put into this argument, and I would like to know exactly how that is a john. (I believe it IS a john)

 

[Jonas]

"You're too good" implies that "I had no chance of beating you" which further leads to "I might as well stop trying to be good". By saying that somebody who beat you is "too good" you ignore the fact that it's your job to perform well. It's like saying "it's your fault that I lost because you practiced a lot, not my fault for not practicing enough".

Also

"you're too good man" indicates that at some point you stopped trying because you had either built up your opponent as unbeatable in your mind, or didn't think that it would be appropriate for yourself to beat this person yet (wtf i can't beat zhu, he's a monster and i suck) so you ended up selling yourself short
JOHNS

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

u can say you are to good as a compliment. it does not mean u stopped trying EX: you were so good no matter what i did i just couldn't beat you." now some might say this is a John b/c it takes away from the victory but i disagree i think this shows acknowledgment of superior skill which was recognized by the lesser opponent. so i feel this is not a john but a compliment. i often feel a John would be more negative or refuse to accept the Superior player. a EX of this would be if u got your *** wooped and then u said something like well u won this time but we are about equal (which clearly is not true)

I also feel that there re some others on this list which are not necessarily johns and are more about contexts if they are johns at all but i need sleep b/c i have a final in a couple of hours so i will cover this later.

But before i go i just want to say the list is pretty amazing since there are so many that are spot on. lol i saw at least 10 of them that i got this one guy to say to me after a bunch of matches.

o and also i was johned at when this same guy then compared me to a lesser player who is not very good just b/c he could not beat me. so i suggest maybe adding "you suck you play just like..." as a john on the list

 

[Jonas]

It can be a compliment, but as soon as you attempt to use it to explain why you lost, it becomes a john. If you say it to someone who just beat you, it's a john.

 

[MarioMariox2]

Replace "You're too good." with "You're very good." and you've got a compliment, rather than a john.

 

[Tenouh]

"You're too good" implies that "I had no chance of beating you" which further leads to "I might as well stop trying to be good". By saying that somebody who beat you is "too good" you ignore the fact that it's your job to perform well. It's like saying "it's your fault that I lost because you practiced a lot, not my fault for not practicing enough".

Also

But can you explain as to how this relates to the definition of john? My friend believes that ackowledging the difference in skill level is not a john, because saying "youre too good" doesn't detract validity from the competition since you're only saying in a way, there IS a difference in skill level, which is the sole factor (or the most important one) that contributes to competition.

 

[Zodiac]

But can you explain as to how this relates to the definition of john? My friend believes that ackowledging the difference in skill level is not a john, because saying "youre too good" doesn't detract validity from the competition since you're only saying in a way, there IS a difference in skill level, which is the sole factor (or the most important one) that contributes to competition.

For the most part, its just a joke. If someone breaks there arm in the middle of a tournament (Unlikley) and they have to drop out, you will hear people tell them "No johns" most of these johns are jokes, a lot of them people actually say

 

[Pi]

You only won cause you took advantages of the mistakes I made.

 

[CloneHat]

You only won cause you took advantages of the mistakes I made.

I'm using this next tourney.

 

[Shadow Huan]

You only won cause you took advantages of the mistakes I made.

^^ this.

10this

 

[Jonas]

Replace "You're too good." with "You're very good." and you've got a compliment, rather than a john.

No really. It still falls under the category of "I wouldn't be able to win no matter what I try".

But can you explain as to how this relates to the definition of john? My friend believes that ackowledging the difference in skill level is not a john, because saying "youre too good" doesn't detract validity from the competition since you're only saying in a way, there IS a difference in skill level, which is the sole factor (or the most important one) that contributes to competition.

"You are better than I am" is neither a john nor a compliment. It's just a statement like "A > B". However, it depends on the context. If you say it after losing a match, you might as well have gone on to say "you are better than I am, so I lost". Then it's no longer just a statement, it's also an exuse for losing.
But yeah, as Zodiac said, it's mostly a joke. You can't really say ANYTHING after a match without johning. Things like cold fingers, using a broken controller (that is actually broken), someone talking to you etc. may actually be valid, but they're still johns, and we don't wanna hear them

 

[MarioMariox2]

Hm, I see, I guess for the most part it depends on when you say it. 99% of things said after a LOSS is a john D:

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

Even in 2017, this list holds true. Congratulations to anyone who stumblrs across this gold mine. This man predicted the future of the smash johning meta.

 

[ohokayalright]

the nature of this term is ridiculous and i wonder if anyone else has always noticed this as well. it can really only be used in the context of calling someone out for making excuses. it seems inescapably negative and non-supportive. from a competitive frame of mind, the only reason for losing boils down to under-performing. and you could always make sure to not ask someone why they lost so that you don't hear excuses from them. nobody can speak their way into winning, or speak their way out of losing. its entirely based on how they play. not what they say. always. winning is objective. peoples opinions are subjective. and any person can develop the skill to win. and its never going to have anything to do with what comes out of their mouth. just offer them advice or just don't listen to them and move on. and if you've lost and feel like you could have won, you have to either make the w happen next time or move on with your life.