Guide Intro To Samus + Character Match-Up's

[Watty]

its definitely sheik ... also ... marth is a definite second tho ... i mean yea people can b good at the match up ... but i think marth is a pretty ****ed up match up ... he can just swing at her and laugh lol

i agree just cause im good at it doesnt make it even or anything. I just believe marth is a do able matchup where as sheik if done right is impossible for a samus to win. to bad most sheiks dont do it right.

 

[Corigames]

:3

I love you guys :'D

 

[Tyser]

I havent seen HugS post in here for a while. CRAZY!

 

[VA]

Yes, it is accurate, and you are beginning to get on my nerves with your constant undermining of my... authority. I never said that Falcon is the hardest match up. I never said that Falcon was impossible. I did say this:
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Captain Falcon-
Falcon is sort of a combo *****. The best thing you can do in this match is to avoid the approach. If you can avoid the initial move, dodging the rest is fairly easy and results in punishment. Watch out for the Uair. The move will go through anything of yours and can keep you in the air long enough to go into another or a finisher.
Obviously, knees need to not make contact... at all. If you get hit by one, expect 3 more to go with it. If you think a knee is coming, you can Up and B and knock him away and make an escape without getting hurt.

There's not much to say here other than avoid getting comboed. Once you get him off though, USE THOSE UP TILTS! He can't get on the stage as long as you time your Utilts well! If he tries to go above you, don't get fooled by his ridiculous DI. He can go behind you and still have time to DI back to the edge. Just be careful.
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What of ANY of that information is not valid aside from personal preference in style? I outlined the necessity to not allow yourself to get comboed, since that's Falcon's strong point, to stay away from danger areas in the match, and what Samus' strengths are against him (edge guarding him). I said everything and more that Hugs JUST SAID in the post above yet you would go with him over me because, no offense to him, you evidently have some hard on for people with purple or red names on SWF.


No, it isn't. That's YOUR OPINION, not the consensus. I believe the consensus would agree that the problem facing Sami is Sheik as she is the DIRECT COUNTER of Samus in nearly every way. Some people have a lot of training against Sheiks and may claim someone else, but, for the majority, she is the problem that's asked about the most. She is the source of most frustrations in Sami in tournaments. How many people have come to you and asked you for help? How many of those people asked for Marth or Sheik? In my case, it's overwhelmingly Sheik.


Then do that, but don't deface me because you don't feel like listening to my advice. You can take your furry lifestyle and keep it out of ours. Please.

Just because wisdom is shared does not = correct. Consensus says Samus loses to Falcon, truth is it's on the reverse, your guide to the falcon match up really doesn't offer any kind of...guidance. The vital thing against Falcon is staying grounded, only get into the air when 100% necessary. I could go into depth more but it doesn't matter; you're clearly less concerned with another potentially good knowledge source and more about maintaining your credibility.

IMO Sheik has never presented the kind of problems a Marth does. Smash isn't black and white and I know that so I'm not saying MARTH IS the worst match up, just because I haven't written IMO before what I said it doesn't turn it into me claiming my views are subjective. Anyway, people in this room are caught up in listening to common knowledge and I know that if I try to post say a guide to vs Falcon I'll just get flamed, so yeah, bye.

 

[Corigames]

Thank you.
>:/

 

[AIDS]

Falcon > Doc?
Here is some evidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUobR4AyoiA

 

[Corigames]

Does anyone else know anything that they may want us to touch on in this thread? Perhaps flesh out something else?

Help us help you.

 

[NOVA1106]

can up tilt cancel sheiks needles?

 

[LumpyCPU...]

i would really like to say no to that... but i don't know.
it just seems unlikely imo

 

[Corigames]

can up tilt cancel sheiks needles?

If it did, at all, it would have to be perfectly timed so that the leg hit the needles. That would take an immense amount of prediction and luck to pull off.

 

[-taco]

If it did, at all, it would have to be perfectly timed so that the leg hit the needles. That would take an immense amount of prediction and luck to pull off.

and balls...

 

[VA]

and balls...

QFT, why would you want to?

 

[Tyser]

To show that youre a man, that's why.

 

[Corigames]

Maybe as an approach against Sheik? If anything, I would do an Ftilt instead of a Utilt as it is easier to move forward and time while doing it. But, the second two needles or more come at you at the same time, you are screwed.

 

[Alukard]

If it did, at all, it would have to be perfectly timed so that the leg hit the needles. That would take an immense amount of prediction and luck to pull off.

and this is putting it nicely ... because if i would have touched this it would have been beastly mean lol ... hehehehehe

 

[Tyser]

can up tilt cancel sheiks needles?

My boi, Nova, mindgamed you guys with a nub question. How does that make you feel?

 

[Corigames]

My boi

It's...

MAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

And no, no mindgames here. I answered it did I not? It's not like he mindgamed me into getting hit... or whatever mindgaming someone on a forum could get you. If there was a mindgame, I used advanced tactics to break through it.

 

[Tyser]

He made you answer an unrealistic question. That is what "mah boi" does for a living. Hes too champ.

 

[Corigames]

Through my amazing awesome, though, I answered the unanswerable.

more champ

end

 

[LumpyCPU...]

can samus cancel a knee with her protective head gear?

 

[Corigames]

Only at 0% and while crouching... and Advil... and some ointment... and a day off with a lot of chicken noodle soup.

 

[Tyser]

Its a knee, man . . . A KNEE!!! That shits unblockable, uncancelable, unbeingstraightable.

 

[Corigames]

You can actually cancel the knee with a perfectly timed screw attack which will make both people get knocked away from each other in such a way that...

...you aren't even listening are you?

 

[Tyser]

My fully charged blue ball canceled out the knee one time. It was mindboggling for about 3 seconds.

EDIT: This page is just blue names man . . .

 

[Corigames]

The blue names are just you and me >_>

More to the point, all of Samus' projectiles can be stopped, including a full charged blast. Many "powerful" moves will just hit through it like the puff punch.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

sorry i suck at having a blue name...
lol
i should earn one just to fit in with you guys in this thread.

 

[puckgood]

How do you get one?

 

[Corigames]

Direct a tournament. Make a thread about it. Then submit it via the thing in your control panel. Wait 8 months for the ok. Then make it your title.

 

[NOVA1106]

my fully charged blast cannot be stopped its over 9000

 

[Tyser]

8 months? I had to wait like 8 hours.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

well you guys are too cool, i guess...
haha

idk 'bout holdin' a tourney tho. no venue

 

[Tyser]

Just make a thread about a tournament, request for Blue Name then when you get it dont ever touch that thread again

 

[LumpyCPU...]

lolol nice.
i'd rather have an odd color though.
isn't there a turquoise or something? haha

 

[Tyser]

Smash Researcher would be awesome, except you probably have to contribute to something retardedly nerdy I think. The pink name would be the easiest by far. It seems like you just have to be an active member and you get it because I see a ton of Brawl chumps with pink names.

 

[Alukard]

turns out i was a director alllll along i just had to click sumthing to agree to a blue name lolololol

i'm the man =]

 

[Tyser]

WOOT! Another Samus player with a blue name. *high fives Alukard

EDIT: Are you a Sheik main?

 

[Watty]

am i a director?

edit - no =(

 

[Geist]

We should all make tournament threads, get the smash director title enabled, and then be like "Whoops, sorry. Tournament is canceled."

 

[LumpyCPU...]

hha nice...
i wonder what kind of "nerdy" things i would have to do for researcher.
cuz i have AR and can double check any frame data anybody's curious about. lol

(though i can't seem to find it lately... hmmm)

 

[Corigames]

*snap snap*
Samus help thread guys. Come on.