The Alpha Gundam
Smash Champion
Yup XD
Despite playing Chaddd like a billion times I'm still not so hawt in the Ganon vs Samus matchup
any tips?
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Guide Intro To Samus + Character Match-Up's
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Yup XD
Despite playing Chaddd like a billion times I'm still not so hawt in the Ganon vs Samus matchup
any tips?
HT F8
Hostile Takeover
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IMO it depends on the %. I'd rather be knee'd at low % cause I'd rather not get grab combo'd from 0% by Falcon. Buuuuuut at any remotely high % a knee is definately gonna send you flying. If you get grabbed at least you have a chance of avoiding the throw to knee combo.
Tyser
Smash Champion
Who are these Samus scrubs coming in here causing a ruckus? Get out with your false information. coreygames is my nigga, you dont fuck with mah niggas, bitch.
Geist
Smash Master
Well if you're facing SS, if you get knee'd he combos into a grab, and if you get grabbed you're probably getting knee'd after.
One thing I want to know for sure, but never was inclined to ask if I was doing it properly: Falcon Uair combos - DI away, or up? This is at percentages where uairs devastate the most, around 30-70%
Also: Samus drama is the best kind of drama.
One thing I want to know for sure, but never was inclined to ask if I was doing it properly: Falcon Uair combos - DI away, or up? This is at percentages where uairs devastate the most, around 30-70%
Also: Samus drama is the best kind of drama.
I think it really depends on what you've found in the match. The obvious reasons for doing whatever are
DI up:
You may break the combo, but you are still over Falcon which means just another U air is coming.
DI out:
You may get outside of the combo and can tech before he can catch up, but Falcon is fast and could still hit you if he predicts your DI.
So I say go up. If you go up, you can break the combo and have a chance of touching the ground again. If you try to DI away, you will probably just get comboed off the stage to death. It makes sense to me in this way. Then again, if you are good at it, smash DI down and tech the ground. That's fun.
DI up:
You may break the combo, but you are still over Falcon which means just another U air is coming.
DI out:
You may get outside of the combo and can tech before he can catch up, but Falcon is fast and could still hit you if he predicts your DI.
So I say go up. If you go up, you can break the combo and have a chance of touching the ground again. If you try to DI away, you will probably just get comboed off the stage to death. It makes sense to me in this way. Then again, if you are good at it, smash DI down and tech the ground. That's fun.
SpaceFalcon
Smash Lord
Your just adding to the lulz.. good lucking finding it =]
And if you didn't care you wouldn't have reported it me officer corerygames.
1. You don't have to care about spam to report it. I don't want this thread to be plagued with random insults, stupid conversations, and salted with off topic discussion.
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3. What did you even plan on doing with that post? Back up your good buddy over there? Try to make me feel bad with an half ***** insult over the internet?
Do you not think I know what a troll is? I'm not going to caps lock yell at you. I'm not going to find a picture and try to make a witty remark. I'm just going to report you, tell you I'm reporting you, and ask you why you did it.
Eh.... just because i poked my head in here and I saw somebody ask it.
So the answer to that would be, yes, your jab comes out faster than his grab. (I think every grab is atleast 7 frames, i could be wrong)SDM's Frame Data said:
Wow this turn into a flame thread.... ._.
Well anyway. My opinion against a Falcon:
If he throws up It's gonna be easier to get away from the knee by jumping. If he decides to dwon throw insted Falcon could possibly connect a knee. I don't play many Falcon's with my Samus but that's usually what happens when I get grabbed.
To try to avoid the knee I nair spam. My theory is that the Nair can out prioritize the knee or the hits colide. Either way it's better then getting knee'd to another knee across the stage.
With shielding it's ALWAYS helpful. Up B out of shield close to the edge then drift towards the edge to grab it. Then afterwards edge hop fair and restart the process with an up B after the fair. It helps rack easy dammage until they catch on.
For some reason I'm very afriad to grab around a Falcon cause if it misses I'm wide open for knees to the face. So I try not to grab against Falcon.
To edge gaurd him is kinda obvious for a Samus main so I won't go there. Utilt and edge hop basically.
Bombs really screw him up. Just lay bombs on platforms and in the air so when he tries to jump for a knee or any other aerial they get intercepted.
/rant
Well anyway. My opinion against a Falcon:
If he throws up It's gonna be easier to get away from the knee by jumping. If he decides to dwon throw insted Falcon could possibly connect a knee. I don't play many Falcon's with my Samus but that's usually what happens when I get grabbed.
To try to avoid the knee I nair spam. My theory is that the Nair can out prioritize the knee or the hits colide. Either way it's better then getting knee'd to another knee across the stage.
With shielding it's ALWAYS helpful. Up B out of shield close to the edge then drift towards the edge to grab it. Then afterwards edge hop fair and restart the process with an up B after the fair. It helps rack easy dammage until they catch on.
For some reason I'm very afriad to grab around a Falcon cause if it misses I'm wide open for knees to the face. So I try not to grab against Falcon.
To edge gaurd him is kinda obvious for a Samus main so I won't go there. Utilt and edge hop basically.
Bombs really screw him up. Just lay bombs on platforms and in the air so when he tries to jump for a knee or any other aerial they get intercepted.
/rant
Geist
Smash Master
:] shweet.
Link, Young Link, Samus, Yoshi, Bowser, DK, Ness and Zelda's grabs don't come out on the 7-8 frame btw.
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chaddd
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Geist
Smash Master
My sheik is terrible. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Vs. Ganon I spend a good amount of time fleeing. Jiggly style.
Vs. Ganon I spend a good amount of time fleeing. Jiggly style.
Tyser
Smash Champion
Ganondorf vs. Samus = Gayer than AIDS
Cunning Kitsune practices his Ganon on me every once in a while, so I'll chip in what I've experienced with him so far.
Your mental edge matter a LOT in this match up. Ganon's aerials overpower most of what Samus can do, so you need to space carefully and force misses. Your goal isn't to rack up damage, it's to get him off stage as quickly as possible. Once he's out there, missile away, then u-tilt/f-smash him when he's closer to the stage.
Your crouch cancel is nearly useless against Ganon because of the heavy knockback on his attacks. Up-b out of sheild is still useful, though. Ganon is also a huge target, so having a charge shot automatically opens up a lot of possibilities.
Also, carefully timed n-airs can stop him from taking to the air. However, don't try to outprioritize him in the air.
Keep Ganon guessing on your recovery. Fake him out. He won't chase you too far off the stage. However, if you bomb jump really close to the stage, you're asking for him to go out there and slam you off the screen.
I know I'm not the best at explaining things, so sorry if I was vague.
Your mental edge matter a LOT in this match up. Ganon's aerials overpower most of what Samus can do, so you need to space carefully and force misses. Your goal isn't to rack up damage, it's to get him off stage as quickly as possible. Once he's out there, missile away, then u-tilt/f-smash him when he's closer to the stage.
Your crouch cancel is nearly useless against Ganon because of the heavy knockback on his attacks. Up-b out of sheild is still useful, though. Ganon is also a huge target, so having a charge shot automatically opens up a lot of possibilities.
Also, carefully timed n-airs can stop him from taking to the air. However, don't try to outprioritize him in the air.
Keep Ganon guessing on your recovery. Fake him out. He won't chase you too far off the stage. However, if you bomb jump really close to the stage, you're asking for him to go out there and slam you off the screen.
I know I'm not the best at explaining things, so sorry if I was vague.
Tyser
Smash Champion
That fist always tricks me out for some reason. I dont play against Ganons alot so I expect that fist to just happen quick like a knee, but it just charges up and hits me :'( and even when I dodge it I get jabbed in the dome.
Watty
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most ganons are easy but elite ganons Kage for example was one of the hardest matchups ive done. its about spamming for me calling there jump and just not making mistakes. Think of it like falcon u do a smash attack on a shield ur gonna get whacked.
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
Tyser
Smash Champion
What should I try against a campy Marth? If you dont know what I mean I can be more descriptive but I think you guys know what I mean. I hate them . . .
well i like playing against campy marths
... usually missles grab them ... OMG and good usage for ftilt =]
i'm scared of aggro marths ... he can literally swing his sword in ur face ... with spacing and just ... **** ur face lol
Yeah, true. Cunning Kitsune practices his Marth on me, too, and basically, once he hits me into the air, it's an easy 60% at least. Not through a combo, but just be not letting me hit the ground and following me with aerials, due to his knowledge that I can't air-to-air with Marth.
Fighting campy Marths is actually easier. Marth is extremely dangerous on the offensive because Samus can't really stop him effectively. Campy Marths can be punished with missile set-ups, like Alukard said, and also if you jab-pressure his sheild from behind (NOT THE FRONT! His grab range is too good).
This is one of the reasons I hate playing against falcons. He grabs from behind so much. If you stand in front of him you get kneed if you go behind him you get grabbed.
It's pretty BS.
Kinda funny though.
Tyser
Smash Champion
I normally fight against aggressive Marth players but lately theyve been trying to play very defensive and its gay. I guess Ill just experiment with things and see how everything works out. Thanks for the tipsies holmes.
Geist
Smash Master
I know, Kage's pressure is too good. did he do that gay jab/stomp pillar to you? I teched this wall and I basically got ***** for it.
I got a game off him in friendlies, but he was 2 stocking me in tourneys. :[
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I pick Samus. ;3
AIDS
Smash Lord
That is not very descriptive at all.
I have no clue. I haven't heard or seen him on SWF in a long time, but that doesn't necessarily mean he quit.
It would be nice to have a moderator on these boards though >_>
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Excuse me. Had a sore throat the past few days.
It would be nice to have a moderator on these boards though >_>
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mine is still pending
Excuse me. Had a sore throat the past few days.
Tyser
Smash Champion
I hope you dont get moderator. I have no respect for anybody who has a Red name. Theyre all fags. No offense sort of, just my personal opinion.