Guide Intro To Samus + Character Match-Up's

[duals]

I second shiek.....

I've been called a traitor to samus before....

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

I tried using Marth the other day, and I was doing really well with him (even though I had no idea how to use him) for the first stock... then... things started sucking... but it looked really cool for the first stock... >_>

Also after watching a series of Falcon dittos, I decided I could play Falcon too! And I did decently.

Also! I picked up Fox! For about a minute. Then his tech skill ***** me. And I died. Thrice.

But still! I sometimes counterpick with.. SALMON-COLORED SAMUS!

(Seriously, the color matters. From day one I've been telling people that color-choice matters in Brawl, and that Green Samus will always win over her other-colored counterparts, and look at things now! *cheekygrin*)

 

[duals]

I've been wondering about this tech samus does for a while, but I don't know what the purpose is....

Its the bomb grapple cancel thing.... I can't find a use for it... and most videos I see where samus does that, they just get owned....

 

[Tyser]

It's just to be fancy. Sometimes you can Zair into Fair though.

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

I've been wondering about this tech samus does for a while, but I don't know what the purpose is....

Its the bomb grapple cancel thing.... I can't find a use for it... and most videos I see where samus does that, they just get owned....

I guess, there's a lot of it in Mike Nasty's combo vid, and I think Wes? used it, and so people were probably like "this is sweet, let's do it..." but yeah.

I've never liked it, and have never used it really, BUT, recently, I started using it as a joke, and I actually found out some very good uses for it that don't involve attacking the other person (though an attack is sometimes possible of course).

 

[Geist]

lol you can't really use the bomb cancelled grapple for anything. It exists to make you look more technical than you actually are. I guess you could use it to mix up your recovery, but you lose your emergency ability to grapple in case the person you're facing has any skill in edgeguarding -__- or if they're sheik.

I secondary Falco man!
Calm down, lol!

;D
shinedairshinedairshinedairlazerlazerfsmash

 

[AIDS]

It is more of a mindgame thing, you should not over use it. But it can be flashy against noobs, or it can be a bit of a mind game.

and as for the Falco comment, I normally Piller a little to Nair to Fsmash. or shine bair. ty very much >.>

 

[Supertramp]

hey AID's, it's Marshall from the last SFU tournament. I don't play samus at all ever but I remember chocolate thunda mentioned something about a samus infinite involving the grapple? this intrigues me, as I have never heard of it before. any explainations?

 

[AIDS]

It is just short hop, grapple as soon as you leave the ground, and fast fall. And there must be a wall infront of you. It is retardedly hard to do, like just about imposable. Not worth learning. But still kinda funny.

 

[Geist]

I think Samus's zair infinite is a good party trick, but that's about it. I'm pretty sure you can SDI out of it, kinda like how you can SDI fox's multishine while you're in a shield.

As for grapple cancelling, cancel into a charge beam. =3

Samus has so many stupid little tricks <3

 

[Supertramp]

hahaha I actually thought it was indeed that, but when I tried it, it seemed so damm impossible that I just gave up. thanks for the confirmation though.

 

[AIDS]

HEY! true facts: Yesterday, Wednesday, Nov 19th was officially AIDS day.
I got texts messages from people, it was actually pretty funny. Auto first on PR.

Up date - Ice Climbers Guide added

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

Alright, so... I finally sucked it up and started to learn a secondary - Marth.

I have no idea what I'm doing with him, but, day after I picked him up, I 4-stocked this kid's falcon, who's... decent. Then I played some good players and did pretty well actually. After one of the matches one of the guys was like "Isn't is sad you can just pick up a higher-tier character and just start ****** with him?"
"Yeah... it just reinforces my respect for Samus players..."

But basically... woo secondary woo! Even though it's an awkward/clumsy Marth at times... I did some sweet stuff on accident, so yeah. Melee is fun (still).

(though I hear other samus mains pick up marth as a secondary so... to balance that out, I also tried falcon, ehh, I'm ok, and fox... well.. let's just say... I use up+b as an attack with fox because... that's the least-technical thing of him...lol)

 

[Geist]

lol
I secondary Falcon and Zelda.
My brothers play Marth, so I'm kinda required to know him.

As long as you can double fair and grab alot, you win.

To edgeguard:
-Dtilt, Fsmash or Charged B for: Falcon, Ganon, ICs, Ness, Yoshi, GaW, Zelda, Marth, Roy
-Off-ledge fair: Pikachu, Pichu, Sheik, Kirby
-Ledgehop Dair for: everyone else.
-To edgeguard Spacies do any of the above

-Spotdodge to pivot grab owns everyone.
-**** people above you with utilt.
-poke through shields with dair
-be gay with disjointed hitboxes
-Forward throw chaingrabs everyone who isn't already chaingrabbed by Up throw
-Forward throw leads into tipped fsmash all dai looonggg
-be really gay with those disjointed hitboxes

/marth guide

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

lol
I secondary Falcon and Zelda.
My brothers play Marth, so I'm kinda required to know him.

As long as you can double fair and grab alot, you win.

To edgeguard:
-Dtilt, Fsmash or Charged B for: Falcon, Ganon, ICs, Ness, Yoshi, GaW, Zelda, Marth, Roy
-Off-ledge fair: Pikachu, Pichu, Sheik, Kirby
-Ledgehop Dair for: everyone else.
-To edgeguard Spacies do any of the above

-Spotdodge to pivot grab owns everyone.
-**** people above you with utilt.
-poke through shields with dair
-be gay with disjointed hitboxes
-Forward throw chaingrabs everyone who isn't already chaingrabbed by Up throw
-Forward throw leads into tipped fsmash all dai looonggg
-be really gay with those disjointed hitboxes

/marth guide

lol...thanks for the advice (wthisthiscrapgetoffthesamusboardsnoob)

yeah I figured things out with him really quickly, but that helps.

 

[Geist]

meh, it was mostly an overexaggerated angry statement about how much contempt I hold for marth and his far reaching hitboxes... and that tiara.
Angst...

Hypothetically speaking, say there is this marth, who is overly good.
If you missile, he blows them up them with one of the million moves that marth has and swats them away like kitten farts. Usually fair, and spaced really well. Sometimes he'll powershield it.
So if you nair him, you get faired, and if you wd back and dsmash, he wavelands and grabs you, usually following with forward throws and/or uthrow to fair, shffld uairs and 99.99% of the time can space it so it ends with a tiped fsmash that leads to death. the problem is that Samus doesn't move fast enough in the air to throw him off, and Marth's fair takes no time at all to get out.

Kso, If you attampt to grab him, he has a good enough rection time to jump, and you can't get close enough to grab him from close-quarters, on a count of his grab. If you jab, he WD's out of shield and grabs you, or he shield grabs you if you're too far away for more options besides ftilt.
So if you ftilt he just spot dodges and pivot grabs you, and if you wd back, he dtilts, which goes through samus's dsmash. If you wd behind him, he just doesn't pivot and grabs you anyways.

He'll tech chase you to hell if he lands a grab, and space fairs to hit you a bunch of times, usually resulting in a dair spike. It seems no matter where you DI, he 'll have you in another fair anyways, and if you try to CC to dtilt or jab once he'll waveland backwards and grab, and the vicious cycle starts over again.

The worst part is that he almost forces you to approach him, even though he is close enough that he could randomly lash out and attack you at any given instant. Samus has an okay approach game at best, and isn't matched well with marth either way. Bombs are pretty much useless, unless he's approaching you. Retreating with bombs and nair seem to work well, as long as you space it carefully and time it in respect to his fairs. The thing is though, once he gets aggressive, or if you're near the edge, he starts his double fairs and wavelands to attack and destroy your bombs.

Attacking him from above is completely useless. He's Marth. He'll either utilt, uair, or wd back into fairs, or take advantage of lag and grab. Once you get off the edge it's basically over too. If you're at the point where you're hanging on to the edge, you're relatively safe as long as you play it smart from there, but he'll go out of his way to hit you if you're over the pit. If you're recovering low, he grabs the egde, drops, fairs and upb's. if you tech that, he bairs, or repeats, depending how you teched and which stage you're on. Then you die.
That, or he attempts to space an fsmash.
If you recover mid, he fsmashes, or charges his B.
If you recover high, well, you're above him. You're screwed.

Purely hypothetical of course. >__>
Any sound advice that can make this a little bit less of a one-sided matchup?

 

[Tyser]

I secondary Fox . . .

 

[duals]

Any sound advice that can make this a little bit less of a one-sided matchup?

smash balls......

 

[Watty]

you do not need a secondary with samus she is well rounded against every1 but sheik. but every character in the game has a bad match up. I think sheik ***** samus but I do very well against them because i took time and learned it. (except drephen he ***** me)

btw the beam cancel wiht the bomb is good just gotta know when and how to use it and like some1 else said dont over use it.

rising grapple to beam cancel with a bomb to fast fall down air or sex kick.

 

[Mars-]

you Do Not Need A Secondary With Samus She Is Well Rounded Against Every1 But Sheik. But Every Character In The Game Has A Bad Match Up. I Think Sheik ***** Samus But I Do Very Well Against Them Because I Took Time And Learned It. (except Drephen He ***** Me)

Btw The Beam Cancel Wiht The Bomb Is Good Just Gotta Know When And How To Use It And Like Some1 Else Said Dont Over Use It.

Rising Grapple To Beam Cancel With A Bomb To Fast Fall Down Air Or Sex Kick.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawattyyyy

 

[Corigames]

Like I said, I secondary Roy. Playing with him right now is over-teaching me the importance of L-canceling.

Wow... I bet to a lot of people out there, at first glance, I'd be a n00b XD

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

Like I said, I secondary Roy. Playing with him right now is over-teaching me the importance of L-canceling.

Wow... I bet to a lot of people out there, at first glance, I'd be a n00b XD

So I got bored of Marth already.

...

(Too easy.)

But I'll keep trying for awhile.

Have fun with Roy though >_> (actually, I had to use Roy a few times to get used to how I should play Marth... but that was just my own thing...)

 

[Corigames]

I was wondering, do you guys know/use the fact that Samus can grab out of the air? You can actually grab people if they touch the arm cannon while it is in those first few frames of the animation. I was experimenting with this and found some fun uses for it, but the practicality of it seems weak at best.

Any thoughts or comments?

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

I was wondering, do you guys know/use the fact that Samus can grab out of the air? You can actually grab people if they touch the arm cannon while it is in those first few frames of the animation. I was experimenting with this and found some fun uses for it, but the practicality of it seems weak at best.

Any thoughts or comments?

Chaingrab young link/pichu.

Possibly grab someone out of the air while they're recovering - I know you can grab Fox/Falco out of their up+bs if they're coming at you...

Other than that... well... there's things you might be able to do out of a few of her combo-starter moves...but you can figure those out... heh.

 

[Corigames]

The only consistent thing I found was a following a MC missile into a grab off the ground. Before I just thought it was a random thing, but I found this out after more research. If you upthrow fox at 0% you can grab him again from there up to about 60% without much DI. However, I feel someone can break out at that point (I haven't practiced on people yet aside from some srcubs >_>).

 

[Mars-]

I was wondering, do you guys know/use the fact that Samus can grab out of the air? You can actually grab people if they touch the arm cannon while it is in those first few frames of the animation. I was experimenting with this and found some fun uses for it, but the practicality of it seems weak at best.

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah cause it's a really good idea to throw away all your spacing just to grab somebody.

 

[Corigames]

I can chaingrab Marth with downthrows to 100% without the lvl 9 computer breaking out :/ However, the clinical trials have yet to be conducted on human specimen. Further results are required for a understandable and reasonable case study.

 

[Watty]

it will not work marth can DI to far but this is very interesting and fox and falco can jump out but i will try it on drephen 2day

 

[Corigames]

I think if he DI's up AND does a Nair he can break out. If you DI left, right, or down you will still get grabbed even if you try to do a move because it doesn't come out fast enough. But if you DI up and do a very fast move such as the Nair or Fair you might break out. My problem is I only have 1 controller and no one to play so I can't make science completely here ;_;

But thanks for trying it for me.

 

[Mars-]

I think if he DI's up AND does a Nair he can break out. If you DI left, right, or down you will still get grabbed even if you try to do a move because it doesn't come out fast enough. But if you DI up and do a very fast move such as the Nair or Fair you might break out. My problem is I only have 1 controller and no one to play so I can't make science completely here ;_;

But thanks for trying it for me.

Funny story, you can actually jump.

 

[Geist]

I was wondering, do you guys know/use the fact that Samus can grab out of the air? You can actually grab people if they touch the arm cannon while it is in those first few frames of the animation. I was experimenting with this and found some fun uses for it, but the practicality of it seems weak at best.

Any thoughts or comments?

Yeah. You can cg fox 3 times from 0% and falco 4 times before they can break out with jump. Captain Falcon is 3 times I think.
It's great stuff grabbing fox/falco out of an illusion when they recover. When it rarely happens. >_>

 

[Corigames]

Funny story, you can actually jump.

lolololololololololol

That's why I need people to play me again >_>

 

[Mars-]

lolololololololololol

That's why I need people to play me again >_>

Trust me I'm experienced with tech chasing/chain grabbing with samus. Although they can be escaped from, if they think your going to attack and then shield, it's a free grab.

 

[Watty]

yea u cant up throw fox or falco the marth thing if they DI wrong sure i guess at the right percent but its not something u need to do.

if ur fighting fox or falco forward thrown them becasue they never expect ti than dash grab again they go no where and just sit there usually so u can get a couple off at low percents before u up throw.

 

[Alukard]

samus' u throw on fast fallers is amazing ... if the match vs cf wasn't so annoying i think that would b my fav match up

dam samus is amazing lol

 

[firexemblemxpryde]

Underlying premise: Samus can get a grab.

 

[duals]

I tend to down throw fox or falco then follow up with a forward smash or up tilt...... is that not a good idea?

 

[Corigames]

Not at low percents because of teching. Most players can DI tech out of Samus' down throw before she can get a hit when they are low, but after a little while it's a free combo. Just be careful when you try it.

 

[Geist]

Fastfallers can all tech the throw until like 60-70% depending on the character and DI. Falcon can get tech chased with grabs bigtime though, if you're quick enough.

Dthrow owns floaties ;D

 

[LumpyCPU...]

well now i can learn samus just to post in the samus boards. YAY lolz