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Guide Intro To Samus + Character Match-Up's
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AIDS
Smash Lord
He counter picked it and I won. Plus I got my 273% stock on FD.Deap says otheriwse
Andymosity
Smash Journeyman
what do you guys think about samus counter-picking pokemon stadium? against jiggs or peach maybe?
Geist
Smash Master
I like FD vs jiggs and DL against peach. For jiggs FD only gives her a one dimensional approach, and wd back > utilt becomes top tier.
For Peach DL gives a nice amount of space to maneuver around peach, because she's scary up close. It's hard for her to get a kill if you're not at high percents.
What are some advantages you're thinking of on stadium?
For Peach DL gives a nice amount of space to maneuver around peach, because she's scary up close. It's hard for her to get a kill if you're not at high percents.
What are some advantages you're thinking of on stadium?
Andymosity
Smash Journeyman
nice i usually take jiggs to FD too. peach too. DL vs peach is good cuz of the high platforms and high percentage survival from her fthrow.
for stadium, i feel that samus could have advantage over peach after the terrain changes due to her longer range and ability to utilt past that tree and stuff. it's just a thought though, i gotta put this into play and test it out.
for stadium, i feel that samus could have advantage over peach after the terrain changes due to her longer range and ability to utilt past that tree and stuff. it's just a thought though, i gotta put this into play and test it out.
Geist
Smash Master
I'd say it's a no-no for Jiggs, that stage transition really does nothing to her strategy of bair spam. Bair spam will always be aimed for your face regardless.
you'll be baired on a windmill
or a tree
or a burning house
or a mountain
Jiggs does not care.
you'll be baired on a windmill
or a tree
or a burning house
or a mountain
Jiggs does not care.
Andymosity
Smash Journeyman
that's true. those obstacles don't stop jiggs
if you're ever counterpicked on this stage, remember that the windmill phase has a lot of platforms for heat seaking missile ledge cancels. this stumps her for a bit.
if you're ever counterpicked on this stage, remember that the windmill phase has a lot of platforms for heat seaking missile ledge cancels. this stumps her for a bit.
Pi
Smash Hero
if they don't ban it i'll take jiggs to YS any day
i find killing her to be more of a problem them dying
the platforms are really nice for UB on this stage
and smaller stage leaves less room for her to run from CS
and like i said, an early nair/bair/cs kill can really turn the tide in this matchup
besides
the longer samus takes to recover the larger window jiggs has for a gimp, so on big stages i don't feel that we get to take advantage of samus great recovery as usual
As for peach...idk, am not fluent in the peach matchup
oh also, blowtoes
my friend played some shiek vs me today
it's really quite hard to avoid getting gimped out of grapple
sheik really can just wait and wait, saving her second jump just below your grapple, and either react to the grapple, or just jump bair/fair when she knows you have to do something
i find killing her to be more of a problem them dying
the platforms are really nice for UB on this stage
and smaller stage leaves less room for her to run from CS
and like i said, an early nair/bair/cs kill can really turn the tide in this matchup
besides
the longer samus takes to recover the larger window jiggs has for a gimp, so on big stages i don't feel that we get to take advantage of samus great recovery as usual
As for peach...idk, am not fluent in the peach matchup
oh also, blowtoes
my friend played some shiek vs me today
it's really quite hard to avoid getting gimped out of grapple
sheik really can just wait and wait, saving her second jump just below your grapple, and either react to the grapple, or just jump bair/fair when she knows you have to do something
Geist
Smash Master
yepyepyep
dat bair
All she needs is to restore her invincibility frames and she can do that to your screw attack too.
i like rainbow cruise, BF, Pkmn for peach
i really haven't gotten to play a good jiggs in a tourney match with samus so i dont know where i would take her but in my opinion living should be ur goal ... and just run and shoot that ***** up ... seriously samus really doesn't have anything besides ftilt and a really well spaced uptilt to use on that fat *****
o btw i'm baaaaack ... well trying to be ^_^
i really haven't gotten to play a good jiggs in a tourney match with samus so i dont know where i would take her but in my opinion living should be ur goal ... and just run and shoot that ***** up ... seriously samus really doesn't have anything besides ftilt and a really well spaced uptilt to use on that fat *****
o btw i'm baaaaack ... well trying to be ^_^
Pi
Smash Hero
yea you better be back
and don't go awal again!
and don't go awal again!
Geist
Smash Master
Sweet Alu is back :D
or at least trying to be.
Jiggs sucks.
or at least trying to be.
Jiggs sucks.
Andymosity
Smash Journeyman
alukard, samus gots you by the balls and you know it
duals
Smash Journeyman
LOLOL ... u already know the nyc situation LOL
definitely trying to be back bro! ... and yea jiggs is a ****
she definitely does ... have u seem them JUGS!
in my opinion if u can play falco sheik really well those are really REALLY fun characters as well bro ... but its mostly because CF marth JIGGS ... PISS ME THE **** OFF when i'm samus
i'm still here bro ... and <3 for the second ... whos the first if i may ask LOL.. abrazo ? or spacenutz?
duals
Smash Journeyman
Hugs.. heh
He has as simple defensive style, but it works...
but id rather be more aggressive like yours... I sound like such a fan boy >.>
Andymosity
Smash Journeyman
she has a nice booty too. what would be a good pickup line to use on samus?
Hey samus, there's a bounty on my heart. You wanna come collect it?
LOL >_< help me out guys
Pi
Smash Hero
duals
Smash Journeyman
i lawl'd.... hard
Geist
Smash Master
I lost.
High fives for similar facial hair.
Relevant to discussion
High fives for similar facial hair.
Relevant to discussion
>:DA little bit of fanart in the making lol
Metroid <3
Pi
Smash Hero
haha
niiiice
niiiice
duals
Smash Journeyman
are doing digital art in school? that looks epic
Geist
Smash Master
No I haven't started university school yet.
I'm starting this year for video game art and design.
I'm starting this year for video game art and design.
Violence
Smash Lord
Just wondering about this guys... if Samus's back is facing Marth, and he comes in with a SHfair tipped on your shield, can you bair out of shield to punish? Or will that just get hit?
Pi
Smash Hero
depends on how early he does it
if he fairs as soon as he leaves the ground I'm fairly certain you could bair him
if he does it while falling you can't do much about it
TheLifeRuiner
Smash Lord
Pi
Smash Hero
Geist
Smash Master
That's true
I'm not that good, I wouldn't stand a chance.
@violence, yeah it's all about the timing.
I'm not that good, I wouldn't stand a chance.
@violence, yeah it's all about the timing.
duals
Smash Journeyman
omg.. i want a gif of that link one...
too funny
too funny
vadgama
Smash Journeyman
I'm playing against a pro young link player and his projectiles are killing me. The only projectile that I'm not too afraid of are his bombs since I catch em and throw them back, but he usually will do a boomerang or arrow with the bomb and I'll try to either shield or perfect shield the boomerang/arrow but usually end up getting hit by the bomb since the bomb comes right after he fire's an arrow/boomerang. I also try to avaid his projectiles but he reads my mind and does a boomerang in the direction I'm jumping and hits me. He's a very evasive and projectile spamming YL player who I can rarely touch. WD approach doesn't work well with all his projectile garbage which throws off my playstyle.
I also would like to know of a good way to edgeguard him. I know the typical edgeguard moves against him are utilt, dsmash, and nair off the ledge...and maybe a bomb on the edge but those are never all that effective. Anytime I try to edgeguard him he barely gets me with his mangled up-B hitbox.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I've found a couple good Samus vs YL vids but only a couple and I didn't find much of anything discussion wise against YL and Samus.
I also would like to know of a good way to edgeguard him. I know the typical edgeguard moves against him are utilt, dsmash, and nair off the ledge...and maybe a bomb on the edge but those are never all that effective. Anytime I try to edgeguard him he barely gets me with his mangled up-B hitbox.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I've found a couple good Samus vs YL vids but only a couple and I didn't find much of anything discussion wise against YL and Samus.
ThePrime
Smash Lord
^
vids plz
edit: You're from oregon? Who in oregon still plays melee? (yet alone YL)
vids plz
edit: You're from oregon? Who in oregon still plays melee? (yet alone YL)
Pi
Smash Hero
YL & link are hard for samus
you have to win the projectile game, cause he can really shut you down and you don't have the combo's/gimps/edgeguards other characters have to capitalize on his mistakes
so it comes down to picking the right stage, in friendlies it's one thing but definitely ban FD in tourney, you can't match his projectile game on that stage.
your CP is probably going to be either Pstadium if you're good at missile cancles on plats, or FoD, to kinda shut down his projectile game a bit, though if he knows how to work it it may not be as effective. But it still has a high ceiling so he won't be getting stupid early dair kills.
Yoshi can force interaction as well, I wouldn't advocate big stages like dreamland, or KJ64 (though i'm not so sure about KJ) because he's so mobile and w/ his projectiles he can force you to eat too much damage trying to chase him down
it's important to know what he does when he gets cornered, and how to corner him, if you can put some missiles out there and force him to at least shield, or stop throwing **** for a second, you can close distance. Then when you're inside you need to work to either stay there, or put damage on him
if you can overwhelm him with missiles on stages like Pstadium/yoshi's, then by all means spam your *** off.
As far as edgeguarding goes, GL. Try to grab the edge and invincible nair him out of his UB. Remember that if he goes for the grapple, you can drop down nair and make it back safely (assuming you were holding onto the edge when you dropped off.
it's not an easy matchup, don't get frustrated
you have to win the projectile game, cause he can really shut you down and you don't have the combo's/gimps/edgeguards other characters have to capitalize on his mistakes
so it comes down to picking the right stage, in friendlies it's one thing but definitely ban FD in tourney, you can't match his projectile game on that stage.
your CP is probably going to be either Pstadium if you're good at missile cancles on plats, or FoD, to kinda shut down his projectile game a bit, though if he knows how to work it it may not be as effective. But it still has a high ceiling so he won't be getting stupid early dair kills.
Yoshi can force interaction as well, I wouldn't advocate big stages like dreamland, or KJ64 (though i'm not so sure about KJ) because he's so mobile and w/ his projectiles he can force you to eat too much damage trying to chase him down
it's important to know what he does when he gets cornered, and how to corner him, if you can put some missiles out there and force him to at least shield, or stop throwing **** for a second, you can close distance. Then when you're inside you need to work to either stay there, or put damage on him
if you can overwhelm him with missiles on stages like Pstadium/yoshi's, then by all means spam your *** off.
As far as edgeguarding goes, GL. Try to grab the edge and invincible nair him out of his UB. Remember that if he goes for the grapple, you can drop down nair and make it back safely (assuming you were holding onto the edge when you dropped off.
it's not an easy matchup, don't get frustrated
vadgama
Smash Journeyman
@ThePrime: I'm actually in WA =P just forgot to update my account. I haven't been on here for awhile hehe. (I'll work on getting vids of our matches )
@3: I've tried overwhelming the **** out of him with missile cancels on all the legit tourney stages. I can usually hit him every now and then with one or two, but usually it doesn't affect him that much. He capitalizes on YL projectile mindgames and tricks along with YL's sidestep (which is possibly the best in the game) along with the weird hitbox of YL's grapple. Best approach I've found to get close to him with his spamming is WD OOS. I'll definitely have to get some vids of our matches so you can see what I'm talking about.
I'll start looking at what he does when I corner him. I haven't been looking at that. Thanks for the tips!
@3: I've tried overwhelming the **** out of him with missile cancels on all the legit tourney stages. I can usually hit him every now and then with one or two, but usually it doesn't affect him that much. He capitalizes on YL projectile mindgames and tricks along with YL's sidestep (which is possibly the best in the game) along with the weird hitbox of YL's grapple. Best approach I've found to get close to him with his spamming is WD OOS. I'll definitely have to get some vids of our matches so you can see what I'm talking about.
I'll start looking at what he does when I corner him. I haven't been looking at that. Thanks for the tips!
ThePrime
Smash Lord
@Vadgama
Well shoot man lets play lol. I'm pretty sure the next smashfest is next wednesday in the udistrict, i can pm you the address and stuff if you want
Well shoot man lets play lol. I'm pretty sure the next smashfest is next wednesday in the udistrict, i can pm you the address and stuff if you want
vadgama
Smash Journeyman
We definitely should play together sometime. Especially since we're so close to each-other lol. But at least not until the summer begins for me. I've got way too much schoolwork to do and finals to study for #_#.
This is the ghost of smashers passsssssssed... OooooOOOOOOOOooooo... I've come from the grave to *cough* sorry, I've come back to see if there's any updates I should throw in the intro to Samus thread. Specific videos, insights, acclimation, how I should really go back through and edit it to correct spelling/grammatical/substance errors?
Does anyone even use this anymore?
Does anyone even use this anymore?
AIDS
Smash Lord
Yeahhhh.....what he said! OOoooooOOOOOooooo!!!!
Violence
Smash Lord
Whoa.
I'm sure the guide was pretty good for its time, but honestly, it's 2008 metagame, in the end.
A lot of the advice is outdated.
I'm sure the guide was pretty good for its time, but honestly, it's 2008 metagame, in the end.
A lot of the advice is outdated.