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"Insomniac" NYC's first Brawl+ crew!!! ~OFFICIAL crew thread~

XSilvenX

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Yeah guys, I'm from Texas now thanks to Wes.


By the way, Sunday would be a good day to hold a Glickfest. I'm sure everyone is available that day.


And daaaaam @ This thread..... actually...more like, this whole site is fricken DEAD now. School and work is ****** everyone I know. Even the Apex thread is kinda dead....kinda, compared to what national tourneys are supposed to be. I used to come to this thread and there would be like 3-5 new pages if I miss a day, I'm lucky if it even get 3-5 posts looool
 
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blackanese said:
Real talk, TUSM I think this B+ thing is kinda dead lol. I'm not sure if people are still working on it or anything lol. I haven't played it in forever and kinda losing interest on it :/
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I think it's just that, since I know the game's gonna change anyway, I don't feel pushed to play the current version much, if at all. I'm sure a lot of other people feel that way.

It's gonna take a LOT of high-turnout tournaments for this game to bounce back.
 
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I was interested in brawl- cuz it looked funny as **** but they supposedly want to make it a "real" game so yeah...
 
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Budget Player Cadet_ said:
We just want to take the parts of competition that every fighting game needs to be fun. What exactly is the critique?
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I'll be the first to say that I don't really know crap about Brawl minus other than everyone was going to be silly.

That said, if you still have that approach and make it basically Marvel or something like that, it's all good. Just don't take away from the original selling point.
 
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Mah nucca Guru back from the dead lawlz. So like..I still play Brawl+, just waiting for Apex. Don't know what you guys expect to happen really with no big tournaments happening lately. Not to mention we're all super busy with school so it's not like we'll be doing much anyway.
 
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The gold build should finally be out soon, and after they release it, there shouldn't be many changes except for glitch fixes and maybe some character changes. I think the game will rebuild after it's gold release.
 
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MXXD123 said:
The gold build should finally be out soon, and after they release it, there shouldn't be many changes except for glitch fixes and maybe some character changes. I think the game will rebuild after it's gold release.
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thats what they said last time. and the time before. :laugh: there will always be problems.
 
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SMASHFEST TOMORROW



BE THERE!


3 to 11


+, melee, tvc if you wanna bring it. i have 3 tvs already set up down there


bring wiis
 
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I'm totally leaving work early if at all possible to come to this. 11 though :( w/e I'll text Glick when I know.

I'd bring some of the new s*** for everyone to check out.

XSilvenX said:
So like..I still play Brawl+, just waiting for Apex. Don't know what you guys expect to happen really with no big tournaments happening lately. Not to mention we're all super busy with school so it's not like we'll be doing much anyway.
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School has been really intense, as it sometimes is. I would have loved for there to actually be a B+ tourney in NY over my break... which is now... ;_;

MXXD123 said:
The gold build should finally be out soon, and after they release it, there shouldn't be many changes except for glitch fixes and maybe some character changes. I think the game will rebuild after it's gold release.
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A lot of glitch fixes, some CGs removed, earlier KOs with the new stage boundaries and removal of the Sakurai angle from most non-comboing KO moves. New physics for Marth/Wolf/Falcon. Some character changes but less than from 5.0 to 6.0 or even from GSH2 to 6.0. Stage adjustments and experimental stage hacks (god I hope the DLC team gets Japes+, I will love them if that happens). A bunch of aesthetic fixes are in order as well.

And a few awesome things specifically from me that I'm keeping secret for now.

And I'm going to release it next saturday.
 
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It's going to be a small fest. but i just want to hang out with you guys mostly.

if we get bored of + we can play other stuffs.
 
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if you can convince more than half of the people in the B+broom and have concrete evidence that fox is genuinely bad, not just "less ****", without referencing 5.0 (arguments based on 5.0 aren't valid. I'm using 6.0 as the baseline/point from which to proceed to gold). Yes, in that case its totally possible. The old fox changes weren't my decision, but I can't say that I disagree with them any more than I could say I disagreed with MK's nair nerf (though it made me very sad).

I sympathize, but I really don't make changes (again, from 6.0) without their consent. It isn't perfect or as fast as I'd like at times, but it isn't the terrible (chaotic, biased, inexperienced, simultaneously resistant to change and change happy) methodology of the old wbr or the Capeocracy. As awesome and successful as Cape is, I'm glad no one person is calling all the shots.

Anyway, I want to finish gold over my break. When I get back to school that won't be possible. So make your case soon. The only change to fox planned atm is the removal of the Sakurai angle from his smashes.
 
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Spam, Vex, and I, couldn't convince the back room that marth was *** back when he had no kill moves and weak combos (up b didn't kill squirtle at 150%. It's near impossible to mount any valid argument in there.

Buuuut I'll give it a shot.

Fox's combo game is limited. Dair can lead to utilt/grab but that's about it, no further combos after that.

The damage output on most of his moves have been halved or just weakened a bit; for example, dthrow does 5 instead of 9, fair does 18 instead of 23, and bair does 10 instead of 15. Lazer does 1-2 now instead of 2-3. These changes would be fine if his combo game wasn't altered.

Nair doesn't combo into anything like it used to. I've heard nair to shine works but honestly that's just another 5% that isn't worth risking. D-throw now leads to a tech chase a-la melee, but it won't lead to any combo'ing since that was done away with. He has no safe way to start a combo like he used to. U-throw to uair is very situational and highly unlikely.

While up-smash is still ****, he has no way to combo into it other than shff fair usmash.

The damage output nerfs were fine, but removing any sort of combo game he had is pretty bad. At this point I don't see Fox ever winning a tourney.
 
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boiling that down to its important points

_Yes!_ said:

At this point I don't see Fox ever winning a tourney.


The damage output nerfs were fine, but removing any sort of combo game he had is pretty bad.

1. Fox's combo game is limited. He has no safe way to start a combo like he used to.
a• Dair can lead to utilt/grab but that's about it, no further combos after that.
b• Nair doesn't combo into anything except shine, and the 5% is not worth the risk.
c• D-throw now leads to a tech chase a-la melee, but it won't lead to any combo'ing
d• U-throw to uair is very situational and highly unlikely.
e• No way to combo into up-smash other than shff fair.

2. The damage output on most of his moves have been weakened.
a• dthrow does 5 instead of 9
b• bair does 10 instead of 15.
c•fair does 18 instead of 23
d•laser does 1-2 instead of 2-3.
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1. The reduction in comboability was largely the result of the global reduction in hitstun, which hit fox harder than most, moreso than any of our changes directly. D-throw's change is fine imo as it mirrors many many other d-throws. People could argue whether 1a, b, or e are genuinely major problems (though personally I think b is dumb if true), but since I don't want to argue Fox with you subjectively, I have to address the factual truth of a, b, d, and e. Not to say I don't believe you, but... its me, I am more than capable of getting the data to be 100% certain (and its my job), so I will be doing so tomorrow post-smashfest.

2. I agree with all of the damage nerfs and don't think reverting the damage is a possibility.

Anything underlined needs to be clarified.

"to be continued after science"

sorry about invading your thread, Insomniacs ;p feel free to comment
please please do so
 
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Dam Veril. Your organization skills are top notch. Good shizznit. Makes Yes's post look like a kindergartner's on crack lol no offense.

I can't say I agree or disagree because I don't play Fox at all. Last time I played vs. him was with Blackanese a loooong time ago and I have no idea what version that was so yea....I'm useless. You should actually wait for Black to comment since he'll be able to provide further insight on this issue :-\

YES you should go to the smashfest tomorrow. In fact, if my GB was working I would record some good matches with Fox so we can either disprove or prove Yes's point with some actual fooage.

I wish I could ask Glick/Guru to record/publish vids but they suck at putting up videos in a timely manner.... aka replays show up 3 weeks later. *___* fail *hint hint*
 
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It's hard for me to be organized at 1:30am let alone think logically -.-''

Thanks for addressing it either way veril.

As far as the smashfest goes, I'm at home with my fam and enjoying it, plus I'm with my long lost ps3 <3

I don't have a need to play b+ anyway since orion isn't getting the venue anymore and no one in NJ plays.
 
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I did an 11-hour overnight shift last night, so I'm just waking up now. Going to Glick's definitely, but don't be surprised if you find me snoozing on Glick's couch. :-)

Silven I'm free the next 3 days or so (finally), so I'll be able to put up vids asap (as early as tomorrow). We should get some vids of the crew going. Would also be nice to provide some fresh content for peeps wanting to see quality B+ matches. Just save the matches onto my SD card.

Regarding Fox, the crew can't really comment on him since, well, none of us use him. Blacka used to, but now he plays more MK and Snake.
 
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Yeah sorry to bring it up in your thread guys. It's whatever no one plays the game around here anymore anyway lol
 
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I can record and upload tonight/tomorrow night
and i can stream too. but we'd need a laptop.
honestly I've noticed that nobody ever wants to stream once they get here.
 
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Obviously I'm a smash developer

MAD SKILL UP IN HERE I'M LIKE SAKURAI
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GuruKid said:
I did an 11-hour overnight shift last night, so I'm just waking up now. Going to Glick's definitely, but don't be surprised if you find me snoozing on Glick's couch. :-)
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lies. i fell asleep at the fest and now i cant sleep. fun stuff, it took me a while to warm up, i ahd fun using random characters. get at me winning 2 sets out of a bajillion played. lol, i need to practice more for the next b+ tourney which i might not even attend. :(
 
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