Ike : A Detailed Matchup Guide; #33 - Ness

[Kinzer]

I edited it to fix it...that was annoying I know, I didn't expect it to get that big when I opened to window...anyway tell me what you think of the last one, It's a decent size and to me looks neat.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Kinzer....that giant Bowser picture totally stretched everything

And thanks, Xace. I don't think I see any Ike disadvantages in there (Except for Sheik I believe, which I don't know a whole lot about),

Toon Link
Fox
Samus
Diddy
DK
Ness/Lucas (Maybe, I don't know enough about the matchup)
And of course Sheik.

 

[Kinzer]

Xace already covered them all...except I have no idea why he put random...

 

[SaltyKracka]

Xace already covered them all...except I have no idea why he put random...

Nononono. I'm saying that those are all characters that Ike should have a disadvantage against (if personal experience and extrapolation have anything to do with it, at least).

 

[Kinzer]

Some of them seem to go more even, but yeah this isn't a peoples matchup...

Can't wait to see what Lucario has to offer.

 

[YagamiLight]

Toon Link I don't think it's TL's advantage by a long shot
Fox Nope
Samus Hahahaha
Diddy Possibly, but it probably is neutral
DK Nope
Ness/Lucas (Maybe, I don't know enough about the matchup) Nope
And of course Sheik. Probably her slight advantage.

10Ikehasroughlyevenmatchups

 

[SaltyKracka]

10Ikehasroughlyevenmatchups

1. We'll see about Toon Link.
2. ORLY? The other spacies seem to do well enough against Ike.
3. Xyro.
4. 'Nanas.
5. Again, we'll see about DK.
6. Sheik can combo Ike all day long. And then switch to Zelda for the kill. I'd say that is definitely a disadvantage.

 

[Kinzer]

Let's worry about them when we get to them.

For the moment, when Light decides to update it, chances are we're going to have to fight a drunken turtle with powers.

Also I don't want to start anything serious now...

 

[YagamiLight]

1. We'll see about Toon Link. Sure.
2. ORLY? The other spacies seem to do well enough against Ike. Fox is quite different from other spacies, naturally.
3. Xyro. Does Ike lose to Ganon because Sliq is so good? Great players go without saying.
4. 'Nanas. We'll discuss this later.
5. Again, we'll see about DK. It's even, this is fairly well established.
6. Sheik can combo Ike all day long. And then switch to Zelda for the kill. I'd say that is definitely a disadvantage. Zelda is an established advantage for Ike, you know that, right?

We'll discuss those matches when we get to them.

 

[Wyvern-x]

DK and Fox are even and Samus is around even.

 

[HeroMystic]

*refrains from going bonkers about Light saying Ike does not have a disadvantage against Mario and Luigi*

 

[Kinzer]

Wah, why does no one pay attention to WEEGEE?!

 

[YagamiLight]

*refrains from going bonkers about Light saying Ike does not have a disadvantage against Mario and Luigi*

Ike's favor for both of those, slightly for Mario and a bit more for Luigi, sadly.

Anyways we should be preparing ourselves for number 18, who may or may not be Bowser, Ness, Lucas, Kirby or Ganondorf.

 

[HeroMystic]

Ike's favor for both of those, slightly for Mario and a bit more for Luigi, sadly.

*STILL refrains from the obvious urge*

I can't wait for Matador to eat you up when it the time comes.

 

[SaltyKracka]

I say Ganondorf, just so I can finally be on the other side for once.

 

[YagamiLight]

I can't wait for Matador to eat you up when it the time comes.

I eat Matadors for breakfast. Joke said, he looks like an intelligent person, so I look forward to talking to Matador during the Mario discussion. Shall I also look forward to you being on the Mario side?

 

[HeroMystic]

Shall I also look forward to you being on the Mario side?

Of course.

But for now, Bowser is next in line, which I find to be one of the fights where Ike has the advantage, although not hugely.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Meh, Boozer it is, then. I'll just wait until the writeup's done, then we can discuss the raep.

 

[Hyro]

Lol @ Optimus ROB

Oh, and the pictures for the characters look awesome :O

Can't wait to see TL's....

 

[Ussi]

light, TL has the advantge. What are you thinking? If TL doesn't spam his projectiles 24/7 then it's even.

Hero, I'm inclined to say ike > luigi. But ike = Mario. I've played BO X7 so I know how to play Mario.

 

[YagamiLight]

light, TL has the advantge. What are you thinking? If TL doesn't spam his projectiles 24/7 then it's even.

Hero, I'm inclined to say ike > luigi. But ike = Mario. I've played BO X7 so I know how to play Mario.

TL's projectile spam is great, but Ike wins by quite a lot at close range. We'll discuss this later.

Same goes for Mario and Luigi.

 

[Ussi]

Light, I'VE PLAYED a TL that spammed projectiles the entire match OFFLINE. It fricken works. But yes close combat Ike does well. Hence why TL has to spam all match

Mario and Luigi can't spam their projeciles like TL

 

[YagamiLight]

Light, I'VE PLAYED a TL that spammed projectiles the entire match OFFLINE. It fricken works. But yes close combat Ike does well. Hence why TL has to spam all match

I've also played a TL that enjoys to spam to his heart's content. I'd actually say this is HEAVILY influenced by your stage choice. You're in for a headache on FD, but on the smaller neutrals it's really easy to close in. Would you say so?

 

[Ussi]

idk, I was playing on lylat... ~_~ Dont forget you play online..

 

[HeroMystic]

Hero, I'm inclined to say ike > luigi. But ike = Mario. I've played BO X7 so I know how to play Mario.

I don't have anything to back-up on Luigi since I'm not a master with him, but just because you played Bo X7 doesn't mean you know the ins-and-outs of Mario. Light beat me numerous times with my Mario and I still say Mario has an advantage.

Keep in mind that while Ike's metagame, for the most part, is considerably slow, Mario's metagame is still growing at a good pace. With this in mind, the new things that we have found leads me to believe that the match is a advantage (not a solid one however) to Mario, not a neutral.

Spoiler

Btw, if thoses matches were over Wi-Fi, I'm going to hurt you.

But I digress, we should be focusing on Bowser since he's next.

 

[YagamiLight]

idk, I was playing on lylat... ~_~ Dont forget you play online..

I was actually speaking of a TL spammer offline. I'd much rather play him on Battlefield/Smashville than FD/Lylat.

 

[Kinzer]

Really, can we save the intellectual debate for T.Link when we get to him? I have a lot I can offer for T.Link because I've fought one that lives in the same city as I do (and is pretty good), but we aren't at him atm.

 

[Ussi]

I'm more interested in talking about mario and TL.. Hero I'm wondering what you think mario has on Ike.

 

[HeroMystic]

Not until it's his turn on the match-up list. >_> Why do you think I'm trying really hard not to go all out with this?

 

[Guilhe]

Come on! Let’s do Luigi! I’ve wrote a three page argument over this match-up! I got to publish it!

 

[Ussi]

let's do all 4 of them at the same time! We'll be as fast as the marth board then

 

[Kinzer]

Err c'mon guys, don't pressure Light into choosing, besides we'll all get to the characters eventually.

Be glad your choices are coming soon. It'll be a miracle if Sonic isn't picked for debate last.

 

[SaltyKracka]

let's do all 4 of them at the same time! We'll be as fast as the marth board then

I second this motion. Would it be alright if this topic goes on to debate Boozer and I (or other people) make seperate topics for Tink and Weegee?

EDIT: Kinz, what's there to debate? All that's needed to beat Sonic is a bit of patience and timing. In other words, not playing on WiFi.

 

[HeroMystic]

I second this motion. Would it be alright if this topic goes on to debate Boozer and I (or other people) make seperate topics for Tink and Weegee?

You also have to remember that we don't exactly have the manpower to do 3+ character match-ups at once. The Marth boards does and they do it swiftly because they have many dedicated Marth mains there. Us? Not so much. Basically, we'd have to go to each topic and debate in each one with just as much energy as the other, which is quite taxing.

We may be able to handle it, but we still wouldn't be as swift as the Marth boards, let alone as efficient. 2 at once? I'm all for it, but 3 and above can cause some drawbacks.

 

[SaltyKracka]

You also have to remember that we don't exactly have the manpower to do 3+ character match-ups at once. The Marth boards does and they do it swiftly because they have many dedicated Marth mains there. Us? Not so much. Basically, we'd have to go to each topic and debate in each one with just as much energy as the other, which is quite taxing.

We may be able to handle it, but we still wouldn't be as swift as the Marth boards, let alone as efficient. 2 at once? I'm all for it, but 3 and above can cause some drawbacks.

Hmm. Well, I don't know about you, but this one has kind of a tendency to stagnate at some times. Meh, I'd support 2 though. It's just more efficient.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Ike ditto discussion next. find out our own weaknesses.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Ike ditto discussion next. find out our own weaknesses.

That's on the front page, dude.

 

[Guilhe]

I second this motion. Would it be alright if this topic goes on to debate Boozer and I (or other people) make seperate topics for Tink and Weegee?

EDIT: Kinz, what's there to debate? All that's needed to beat Sonic is a bit of patience and timing. In other words, not playing on WiFi.

Kinzer mains Sonic now, he doesn't know any better. JK.

You also have to remember that we don't exactly have the manpower to do 3+ character match-ups at once. The Marth boards does and they do it swiftly because they have many dedicated Marth mains there. Us? Not so much. Basically, we'd have to go to each topic and debate in each one with just as much energy as the other, which is quite taxing.

We may be able to handle it, but we still wouldn't be as swift as the Marth boards, let alone as efficient. 2 at once? I'm all for it, but 3 and above can cause some drawbacks.

Agreed. Let's do Luigi and Toon Link!

That's on the front page, dude.

Where in that giganting wall of biased text you find anything about our weaknesses?

 

[YagamiLight]

That's on the front page, dude.

We actually haven't had a discussion on the matter, we'll do that near the end I guess.

And I'm rather against doing two match-ups at once. It's better to just do this in a concentrated, steady manner. It's been a month and a half and we've gotten almost half of the things done, I'd say that's fantastic.

 

[metroid1117]

The D3 pic isn't working .