TheSaintKai
Smash Ace
Hylian has the sexiest SoPo. <3
...Not gay.
...Not gay.
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Ice Climbers Matchup Discussion REVAMPED - Week 1 Snaaaaaaaakeeeee
- Thread starter Prawn
- Start date
2-DJeff
Smash Master
so people i need help with ZSS.. Feed me info please
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
How about working on it yourself Jeff? Just a thought.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
nah im good asking ppl is always good too
any body?
why you got so much hate for ppl? lol is this why the match up discussion never got finished? lmao
any body?
why you got so much hate for ppl? lol is this why the match up discussion never got finished? lmao
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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But seriously guys, before we move on to ZSS or something else, anyone have anything productive to say about the TL matchup?
Or else, I'll be leaving you guys to work on my secondary. Because the advice so far has been to do that lol
Or else, I'll be leaving you guys to work on my secondary. Because the advice so far has been to do that lol
2-DJeff
Smash Master
well since theres no toonlinks in my area except 2nlio i cant really say anything but its hard lol.
I just need help with ZSS before saturday
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Well, like frozen said, these boards got "soft". People like you shouldn't be walking around here unsafe from us flaming you really.
When I first got here (well actually, like 6 months after I got here) Frozen flamed me saying that I wouldn't "make the cut" and thats what kinda willed me on.
Trying not to get ***** by Nick Riddle, I see. Just play yourself and actually try to read, thats more important than any matchup knowledge.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
i already played nick with gnw
and yea he wanted to MM. after i play esam. i played mink alot today and i played D-tor in the past. I just want to know what attacks can i grab her OOS with.
About the flaming thing, its just my natrural reaction to defend myself. I could understand if i got ***** in tourneys and play this charater, but i dont. I see what you mean though. Its just sometimes its dumb when im just trying to be cool with everyone. Ive seen Hobos IC and no comment on that but i dont bash him about it.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
I played 2nlio with my ICs online. It went to last stock, last hit. I just play ICs like a normal character against Toon Link. Desynching only leads to him keeping you guys separated if he gets a bomb in. Which he'll inevitably do. Just Blizzard him when you've got him backed into a corner and run away when he takes to the air. He's gotta come down sometime.
I mean, I look at this match-up from a Sonic perspective, where I'm always breathing down his neck. Toon Link can't camp if he has no room to do so.
I mean, I look at this match-up from a Sonic perspective, where I'm always breathing down his neck. Toon Link can't camp if he has no room to do so.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
did you save the replay? we could really use it
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Well, to be "cool" with people in the boards (Actually, this could apply to real life stuff.) is to take the opinions of the people around here more seriously and not trying to inject you opinion in so hard. Even if you don't want to take our opinions seriously yourself, just SAY that you'll think about it. Be more humble towards everyone who has been around here much longer, especially because these boards used to HATE new people because everytime new people came through they would come in saying "Hey how do you CG [insert character here]?" then leave out and we'd never hear of them again.
Now the little things that we get on you about (such as spelling and punctuation) is because bad spelling really makes you seem like (to me at least) that you don't really care and just want to boost your own ego on the boards, even though you just came on through one day and started posting.
tl;dr Just be more humble towards us around here, even if it means NOT posting or responding to something. And fix your sentence structure boy.
Hope you actually take in all this.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
i just type how i text on the phone. Short and simple. But if you guys "on the IC boards" are really having trouble, I will type in a more capable manner. "The whole leave and not come back thing" Is something I have not done yet.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
I turned my hacks off to keep my wii from freezing in the waiting room.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
aw man that sucks :/
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
"Yet" being the main focus of that statement.
BTW, fixed your quotation placement for you... should probably work on that along with your periods.
Also, "short and sweet" may work for text messages, but this is a forum, where you are given ample time to format and edit your posts before sending them. Keep that in mind before you shove more of your crud onto these boards. Thank you.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
If thats how you text I can respect that, but yeah, you have plenty of time to write and post exactly what you want to say.
"yet" is the key word in the sentence. Didn't think Vinnie would leave so soon, but alas.
/inb4Vinnienamesearches
For Toonlink, um, basically dont focus on grabs at all. This is full of hard reads. You have to approach them even when they have a bomb because they always have a bomb. If they FH then pull a bomb, still chase after them because half the time they won't expect it. Personally this is one of the easiest matchups to pull off a hardread-fair because that's all this matchup is.
Belay trades hit with bombs so it's more safe to throw some grounded ones out.
Desyncing is useless. Maybe some desync IBs sometime but nothing else. Blizzard is very situational, only use it when super close up but they may try to dair immediately after so try to do it under a platform.
If you lose your stock first, you're toast. It's really hard to catch back up for any character really unless you're like MK.
Belay trades hit with bombs so it's more safe to throw some grounded ones out.
Desyncing is useless. Maybe some desync IBs sometime but nothing else. Blizzard is very situational, only use it when super close up but they may try to dair immediately after so try to do it under a platform.
If you lose your stock first, you're toast. It's really hard to catch back up for any character really unless you're like MK.
ch33s3
Smash Lord
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Against TL, just trade uair with bomb (he takes more damage than you do). No matter how good a player the TL is, I'm sure you can make ONE landing read and take a stock with a grab. That should give you the lead you need to time him out, or force legitimate approaches, both of which accomplish the same thing. It's really a test of your item handling ability (catch and throw bombs back, it helps a lot, even if you only actually land one or two, and more importantly dodge them!) and your patience. There's no need to really go for many hard reads. Our aerials are generally safe close to the ground because attempting to punish them with anything but bomb leads to the risk of landing near us, and we know what that means.
I really don't think this matchup is bad, I really need to play MJG ASAP.
I really don't think this matchup is bad, I really need to play MJG ASAP.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
Well last night I played my ICs against Lux's TL. Fun times. He had a problem iBombing though. Timing on wifi is a little strict I guess? I just mixed up IBs and generally stayed in his face. When I could anyway...
It's a tad more difficult on BF because he has more options to land and you HAVE to chase him there. Honestly, ban BF and he really shouldn't be hard to catch. He has to land sometime.
It's a tad more difficult on BF because he has more options to land and you HAVE to chase him there. Honestly, ban BF and he really shouldn't be hard to catch. He has to land sometime.
Roller
Smash Legend
The problem there is, ban battle field and he can just go Brinstar and do the same thing, while we have a harder time getting around.
kackamee
Smash Master
Not gonna lie Prawn. Desynchin vs TL really isn't the best idea. It's good in VERY limited situations. You NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD To SQUALLL! I cannot stress how good squall is in this matchup. Other then that you have to be smart and trade hits. I really think that matchup is 57:43 TL
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
Yeah, it should be noted it's pretty mediocre. Basically, you pretty much have to win game 1 against TL or strike to BF and on the off chance you lose, you can ban Brinstar on game 3 and he can't CP BF again. Chances are, I won't be going ICs against Toon Link since Sonic and MK have a much easier time with him.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
lrn2platcancel.
Hylian, you always use Dair to plat cancel too, you need you learn how to just press down to plat cancel. =/
Also, why not change the names of threads men? You have the authority to, especially since ICGD has had the same name for over a year.
Hylian, you always use Dair to plat cancel too, you need you learn how to just press down to plat cancel. =/
Also, why not change the names of threads men? You have the authority to, especially since ICGD has had the same name for over a year.
Roller
Smash Legend
@Lux, It basically gives you a triple jump.
kackamee
Smash Master
On SV He's too gud.
Prawn
Smash Master
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- 3,031
no.
desyncing ***** vs toon link all the time lol.
completely prevents him from getting back on the edge, desync blizz to sh ib. think edgeguarding rob basically, he cant get off the ledge.
ice block chaser works beautifully if you time his landing to the ground since toon link falls funny
once you get a big percent lead or a stock lead you dont have to approach and you can pivot grab ANY offensive attempt for the most part, aside from like zair lol
i agree
Fuujin
Smash Champion
old match up thread is old
2-DJeff
Smash Master
aye can we get a look on the MK matchup please? i really need it since people like to go MK against IC, and is surprisingly good with him. -_- I think its a matchup that is needed to be known by IC players.
Roller
Smash Legend
^ Be less obvious.
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
sorry hes new to smash
lucas just message me your questions about ice climbers and ill figure it out for you
lucas just message me your questions about ice climbers and ill figure it out for you
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Yoshis are discussing the ICies MU here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297655
Any input would be awesome, thanks!
Any input would be awesome, thanks!