I think samus is the best in this game

[Crystanium]

I think the person who plays smart is the best. I'll give an example. Last night, my brother and I were doing some training in the Training Mode. I played as Samus, while he was Captain Falcon. Then I switched to Pit, but he remains as Falcon. After that, he played as Ness, who is his main character. I decided that I'd play as Ness also. What I did later in that training was tell my brother, "It doesn't matter if my percent is higher than yours. It doesn't mean that I cannot win." I told him that having 100% means nothing. As long as you're in the game, you still have a winning chance. Playing smart is what makes the character better.

 

[Crystanium]

Samus U-Smash = Win. You just need to understand how to use it.

Nay; when to use it.

U-smash + Large Characters = Win.
U-smash + Character standing above you = Win.

 

[Nocturnal~Dragon]

i wish she was, but Samus has to work too hard to beat some characters (especially small characters), she was nerfed too much compared to her Melee form, but we are still in the beginning of this game so Samus might get techs(or maybe a strong metagame) that can help her raise in the tier list

 

[da K.I.D.]

im pretty sure snake can f-tilt every thing she has, his bombs are better than yours, samus is a bigger target, he can crawl under green missiles and z- air, snake dashing hurts, would you like more reasons?....

seriously, everyone thinks they have a snake counter, when the reality is just that you dont play good snakes.

 

[ADHD]

im pretty sure snake can f-tilt every thing she has, his bombs are better than yours, samus is a bigger target, he can crawl under green missiles and z- air, snake dashing hurts, would you like more reasons?....

seriously, everyone thinks they have a snake counter, when the reality is just that you dont play good snakes.

The reality is that alot of people don't play against a good samus either.

 

[Lucrece]

The issue is people's perceptions of what moves should be. Smashes should be potent, KO-worthy attacks. Certain aerials also.

This is not true for Samus. Most of her moves serve to rack up damage, and they do so well. A well placed Usmash will rack obscene damage and prevent retaliation. Fair is similar in nature, This strength also happens to be a weakness for Samus, as it wouldn't be so bad had Samus's killing moves not been nerfed so badly/completely removed.

The main issue with Samus is her lack of KO power, size (this is a big one-- I feel her game could have been so much better had she not been made a prime target for small characters), priority (with the lack of multiple disjointed hitbox moves, she needs priority to land moves; she lacks this essential element), speed ( Her moves come out slowly in comparison to other competitive characters), and missile game ( bombs are BAD now; charge shot is nice for racking up damage and early KO's, but it is still too slow in both start-up and trajectory to land consistently; and her homing missiles have too much start-up end-lag times to the point where you have to do hopped missiles to effectively start a spam game; even then, the missiles do pitiful damage compared to absurd projectiles like Falco's lasers and TL's projectiles; the super missile is USELESS).

What does she have left? Zair. But then again, I find it boring to play a character who is so limited in moveset.

 

[doom dragon 105]

Way to be stupid, samus has advantages over snake, he's not a counter.

yea in what universe good luck killing or out prioritizing him. you may be able to out spam him but samus projectiles suck. missiles dont do crap*, bombs suck and all you have a a zair to play a keep away game and your power beam to attempt a kill. and gipmping him wont be that easy either.

 

[Crystanium]

im pretty sure snake can f-tilt every thing she has, his bombs are better than yours, samus is a bigger target, he can crawl under green missiles and z- air, snake dashing hurts, would you like more reasons?....

seriously, everyone thinks they have a snake counter, when the reality is just that you dont play good snakes.

Your reasons, like anyone elses, are only theoretical. "Snake can simply crawl to overcome Samus' Super Missile." Yeah, anyone can say that, but can anyone perform that effectively? Let's see some practicality in these words, and then maybe there will be a change of mind.

 

[Undrdog]

I wonder what reaction one might receive by stating that Samus is probably Snake's worst match-up? Of course this is in fact the case.

And please, don't run in spouting about R.O.B. or DK being counters to Snake either... ^_^

Oh and the U-Smash is an amazing tech chase too.

 

[Crystanium]

And please, don't run in spouting about R.O.B. or DK being counters to Snake either... ^_^

I **** with that ape. >.>;

 

[Xyro77]

Samus is not in anyway a counter nor has an advantage on snake. There may be aspectsthat would make u think that but over all she isnt a counter.
A gGOOD snake can out spam any samus.
Snake also has a better pressure game than samus. 2 mines/nades

 

[Undrdog]

Really? A fast Samus is faster then a fast Snake. And when the speed of the match is picked up, it's Samus that controls both the pace of the match and the spacing. However, what makes this match much closer is what makes all of Samus' match-ups suck. She can't kill him and while it's much tougher for Snake to kill Samus then it is with most other characters, he still gets the job done against her.

But I must digress, Samus can be fast. And when it comes to fighting characters that are naturally faster then Samus, but have a hard time meeting Samus' potential, the higher the skill of the combatants, the better off for the Samus.

 

[Xyro77]

Really? A fast Samus is faster then a fast Snake. And when the speed of the match is picked up, it's Samus that controls both the pace of the match and the spacing. However, what makes this match much closer is what makes all of Samus' match-ups suck. She can't kill him and while it's much tougher for Snake to kill Samus then it is with most other characters, he still gets the job done against her.

But I must digress, Samus can be fast. And when it comes to fighting characters that are naturally faster then Samus, but have a hard time meeting Samus' potential, the higher the skill of the combatants, the better off for the Samus.

A GOOD snake controls the pace of the match. His set ups cant be stoped by samus.

Nade spam is better than most people give credit for. This put pressure for samus to come closer or risk being hit with a nade or 2. What will she do from afar? Super missle(snake ducks) homing missle(shielded....and thats IF it makes it to snake). She could stay in the Zair range but that is asking for a mortor slide.

If samus gets closer she then has to either aproach by air(snakes broke up tilt can deal with anything samus has in the air) or deal with the mines that WILL be placed.

Zair works wonders but u need AOT of them. one move from snake is = to 3-5 zairs(depends on what move he hit u with). this means u must make every move count against a foe who can kill you with ANY of his attacks. It can be done but as of now the chance are slim. I use Zair as the main method of damage cause its the SAFEST way to do chip damage.

Samus best hope is to counter pick levels. thats the only time she may have an advantage. i just re-read your post. You said that samus is the only or one of the only characters that gives snake trouble. I wouldnt put it as an advanage but i wpuld agree she MIGHT do beter than MOSt of the cast. However, i personly believe FALCO does the best. See sethlons falco on youtube.

 

[Lucrece]

Really? A fast Samus is faster then a fast Snake. And when the speed of the match is picked up, it's Samus that controls both the pace of the match and the spacing. However, what makes this match much closer is what makes all of Samus' match-ups suck. She can't kill him and while it's much tougher for Snake to kill Samus then it is with most other characters, he still gets the job done against her.

But I must digress, Samus can be fast. And when it comes to fighting characters that are naturally faster then Samus, but have a hard time meeting Samus' potential, the higher the skill of the combatants, the better off for the Samus.

It's always about landing a Dtilt and Nair WoP'ing him to death. It's a pain, but they are considerably underused tactics from what I've seen. Dtilt kills snake at ~140-150, if I remember correctly.

 

[Lucrece]

A GOOD snake controls the pace of the match. His set ups cant be stoped by samus.

Nade spam is better than most people give credit for. This put pressure for samus to come closer or risk being hit with a nade or 2. What will she do from afar? Super missle(snake ducks) homing missle(shielded....and thats IF it makes it to snake). She could stay in the Zair range but that is asking for a mortor slide.

If samus gets closer she then has to either aproach by air(snakes broke up tilt can deal with anything samus has in the air) or deal with the mines that WILL be placed.

Zair works wonders but u need AOT of them. one move from snake is = to 3-5 zairs(depends on what move he hit u with). this means u must make every move count against a foe who can kill you with ANY of his attacks. It can be done but as of now the chance are slim. I use Zair as the main method of damage cause its the SAFEST way to do chip damage.

Samus best hope is to counter pick levels. thats the only time she may have an advantage. i just re-read your post. You said that samus is the only or one of the only characters that gives snake trouble. I wouldnt put it as an advanage but i wpuld agree she MIGHT do beter than MOSt of the cast. However, i personly believe FALCO does the best. See sethlons falco on youtube.

Nah, TL easily outspams Snake while being maneuverable enough to easily juggle Snake to oblivion.

P.S. Double-post. It's late over here; I'm going to bed -_-;

 

[Undrdog]

I still hold firm to my view on the subject. I actually thought this was pretty common knowledge to be honest with you. Until I run across so video evidence I'm going to have to retire from this debate. ^_^

 

[I feel asleep]

I Refuse to accept that Samus is a bad character. i don't believe it for a second. now, she is not quite as mighty as say, Meta knight, but she is FAR from 'bad'

I Have been a Samus mainer since the SSB64 days, and i feel she has treated me well ever since.
In 64, i played casually with my sister and a couple friends.
In melee i played with Taj and Forward to further my skill as samus, and was the best samus in arizona with the exception of Taj's.(although i didn't travel out of state)
And in brawl, i have taken 3rd, 1st 4th and 9th(fought friends at this one) so far. and i plan to do well at AZone2.

As i have said before and will probably say again, I will not give up with Samus. i may be ignorant, i may be the only person who feels like she is great, i may be crazy. but i will not give up.

 

[Xyro77]

I still hold firm to my view on the subject. I actually thought this was pretty common knowledge to be honest with you. Until I run across so video evidence I'm going to have to retire from this debate. ^_^

We may be fighting different type of snakes. I respect your views im just going from what ive experienced.

 

[doom dragon 105]

I Refuse to accept that Samus is a bad character. i don't believe it for a second. now, she is not quite as mighty as say, Meta knight, but she is FAR from 'bad'

I Have been a Samus mainer since the SSB64 days, and i feel she has treated me well ever since.
In 64, i played casually with my sister and a couple friends.
In melee i played with Taj and Forward to further my skill as samus, and was the best samus in arizona with the exception of Taj's.(although i didn't travel out of state)
And in brawl, i have taken 3rd, 1st 4th and 9th(fought friends at this one) so far. and i plan to do well at AZone2.

As i have said before and will probably say again, I will not give up with Samus. i may be ignorant, i may be the only person who feels like she is great, i may be crazy. but i will not give up.

no one is saying to give up samus nor that he is the worst character were just saying hes not the best

 

[ADHD]

Forget I ever posted this commonet

 

[Lucrece]

You are so ****ing stupid, not even gonna say why, just ****ing stupid....

All you've done in this thread is throw insults. I would suggest you tone down lest you be interpreted as a troll by the visiting mods.

 

[Darkwolf1923]

You are so ****ing stupid, not even gonna say why, just ****ing stupid....

Why is he so stupid?

 

[ADHD]

Why is he so stupid?

He called samus a he more than once

 

[Jasona]

as long as ddd can chaingrab samus to death, i'm not going to agree. although, undr told me that there might be a way to break free from a grab immediately. i'm on the lookout for it and i think i've accidentally done it a few times below 100%, but i'm going to wait until i've done it a few times above 100% before i worry about it. i'll continue hoping

 

[eskimo bob]

I think Metroid's a pretty cool guy. eh shoots lazers an dosent afraid of anythign.

On a more serious note: Samus isn't half as good as she was in Melee. If you want Melee Samus in Brawl, play Rob. They play very much the same. Great air game, excellent recovery, basically everything you could want in a character...

 

[ADHD]

I think Metroid's a pretty cool guy. eh shoots lazers an dosent afraid of anythign.

On a more serious note: Samus isn't half as good as she was in Melee. If you want Melee Samus in Brawl, play Rob. They play very much the same. Great air game, excellent recovery, basically everything you could want in a character...

No godly aerial combos though

 

[JiangWei23]

question

have you ever played brawl

lets begin

lack of priority

no KO moves

and snake is in the game

You want to talk "lack of priority," try playing Sonic...

 

[Vaul]

@JiangWei: You have the greatest user name. Ever. Lu Bu for Brawl.

And yea, compared with the plights of others (CF, Sonic, Ganon, Jiggs, Peach, Mario, etc.), Samus's priority is definitely decent; fair, usmash, dtilt, zair (obviously), uair (beastly), jab (beastly), upB, and charge shot are all pretty solid as far as priority goes.

Although this is obviously still being debated, I (and along with Hylian, apparently) really don't think Snake poses that much of a problem to Samus. Missle Canceling is definitely being underrated as its often overshadowed by the poor damage and knockback properties it's acquired. MCing is definitely useful for putting constant pressure on the opponent, edge guarding, and staying defensive, not to mention a great tool for opening a can of mass despair and suffering (SHMC-->Zair-->Charge Shot FTW). You'de be surprised how easy it is to abuse MCing by simply laying a bomb between you and the opponent and how reluctant they'll be to charge you.

But yea....no reliable KO moves and her absolutely horrific falling speed (isn't she the 2nd floatiest character in Brawl? or am i just making that up) are hard to get past. But she's definitely packin some crazy potential.

 

[Glick]

IMO The Samus B charge shot isn't made for killing. Its made for mind games. You always have the charge shot in the back of your head(even though its not that powerful) and you end up not being able to play as yourself.

 

[SarahHarp]

I find the charge shot is good for getting people to play all defensively (especially characters with reflectors/absorbers.. spacies, earthbounds, etc) Perhaps I just need to play someone who uses their reflectors/absorbers more meticulously, because it is way to easy to read when they'll use it.

 

[I feel asleep]

What I did later in that training was tell my brother, "It doesn't matter if my percent is higher than yours. It doesn't mean that I cannot win." I told him that having 100% means nothing. As long as you're in the game, you still have a winning chance. Playing smart is what makes the character better.

This reminded me of something Glide said.
"it doesn't matter how hard i r**e you until you die"

we all thought it was hilarious.

 

[Samuelson]

why are people on forums so mean, it's a opinion, i dont think she is the best but she is deffinatley better than what most people think, deffnately a good counterpick

 

[Undrdog]

IMO The Samus B charge shot isn't made for killing. Its made for mind games. You always have the charge shot in the back of your head(even though its not that powerful) and you end up not being able to play as yourself.

No, it was meant to be one of her kill moves. How can anyone say that this game was designed around the concept of mindgames?

 

[Crystanium]

No, it was meant to be one of her kill moves. How can anyone say that this game was designed around the concept of mindgames?

While I do agree with you, UndrDog, I don't find this to be mutually exclusive. I'll charge my Charge Shot, even if my opponent is Fox, Falco, Wolf, Pit, Ness, or Lucas. It does cause your opponent to wonder when you will fire the Charge Shot, and so they'll sometimes use the Reflector, Mirror Shield, or PSI Magnet when it's unnecessary.

 

[Crystanium]

All you've done in this thread is throw insults. I would suggest you tone down lest you be interpreted as a troll by the visiting mods.

This is an unfair judgment about ChromePirate. If you count the many times he's insulted anyone in this thread, it's only twice, and the first time wasn't anything like the second one, which he edited. If anyone bothers to read how many times he's insulted anyone in toto, then the one who does this really ought to go outside more often.

 

[Undrdog]

Oh no, it's totally a form of mindgame. I just mean the creators had no intention of it being used as such.

 

[Crystanium]

Oh no, it's totally a form of mindgame. I just mean the creators had no intention of it being used as such.

My mistake.

 

[doom dragon 105]

You want to talk "lack of priority," try playing Sonic...

i know how bad sonic has it YOSHI has more priority

 

[Zodiac]

About the tiers, look at snake. Samus does really well against snake and tons of people will learn about this and use her as a secret weapon in tournies. Just give it time...

Its true, I was playing a really good snake today over wifi and I have never that match up before. anyways, I did really well against him but I lost in the end because, well I never had that match up before. I dont study brawl to much, but is there not speculation as to smaus being a snake counter, I just kind of thought that she might be.