I had to Dair camp Esam to win.... The Pikachu matchup

[Sensei Seibrik]

and that depresses me :/





mk can't approach pika on the ground, the risk/reward isn't worth it.


in the air, if i'm winning by just 1%, i can dair camp and potentially take a uair, or uair->nair worst case does about 20% (arouund low % will that connect)

on the ground, i get read once i can be taking a chaingrab into arial combo, he chooses to do d-throw->utilt in the last grab, my only safe option is to spam jump away and throw out a dair after two jumps to keep him from coming in and hitting me. now i'm out about 2-3 jumps and he's still under me waiting for me to land. if there's no platform around, i'm gonna take another hit unless he happens to get hit by nado barely.








screw u pikachu, stupid matchup.



i never had to play so gay/campy


it's almost harder than iceclimbers, tho pika's punishments are smaller, he's much much much harder to gimp, almost impossible. it feels like pika has a safe way to recover almost every time. best thing i got is hoping he gets nipped by a part of nado, but that's just damage, not a gimp....






/ends rant

 

[MJG]

Play to win.

 

[Gates]

Matchup thread

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

thats what i ended up doing in grand finals since if i didn't win, i wouldn't be eating for a week.


my problem is i like outsmarting people on the ground too much instead of taking full advantage of every gay thing possible in all matchups.


and i figured this would be easier to find than searching through the MU thread for people who don't check that all the time.


if someone wants to copy this in there that's fine, but for now any questions about pika/esam vs mk/seibrik can be done here.

 

[etecoon]

my problem is i like outsmarting people on the ground too much instead of taking full advantage of every gay thing possible in all matchups.

I'd say "play more snake/DDD" but that translates roughly to "have fun getting chain grabbed to 100% and probably not eating for a week"

 

[Teh Future]

didn't judge make the same thread recently and a bunch of random people came in and were just like lol no.

we should do the opposite with this one!!!!!

lol sebrik I completely agree

 

[Orion*]

its a shame people dont listen to judge more lmao

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

and that depresses me :/





mk can't approach pika on the ground, the risk/reward isn't worth it.


in the air, if i'm winning by just 1%, i can dair camp and potentially take a uair, or uair->nair worst case does about 20% (arouund low % will that connect)

on the ground, i get read once i can be taking a chaingrab into arial combo, he chooses to do d-throw->utilt in the last grab, my only safe option is to spam jump away and throw out a dair after two jumps to keep him from coming in and hitting me. now i'm out about 2-3 jumps and he's still under me waiting for me to land. if there's no platform around, i'm gonna take another hit unless he happens to get hit by nado barely.








screw u pikachu, stupid matchup.



i never had to play so gay/campy


it's almost harder than iceclimbers, tho pika's punishments are smaller, he's much much much harder to gimp, almost impossible. it feels like pika has a safe way to recover almost every time. best thing i got is hoping he gets nipped by a part of nado, but that's just damage, not a gimp....






/ends rant

after your out of CG%, you 100% shut pika down eith ground tilts.... wtf are u talking about


how can u even rant your MK and this MU is NOT-THAT-CLOSE


-dead- @ MK can't approach pika on the ground, glad im now using this broken POS

 

[Dark 3nergy]

i only came here to post itt because someone has a happy disjointed bair in their sig

<3333

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

pika can get in between ur tilts, and save ur up b, pika's dair wrecks everything meta has on the ground.


so ur waiting for his dair to up b, but he shielded this time, fffffff, get uair/naired or worse.

 

[KassandraNova]

If you are not playing gay, then you are not doing it right.

This is what I've gathered from playing MK.

 

[etecoon]

ban pikachu

 

[skaterbaj]

If you are not playing gay, then you are not doing it right.

This is what I've gathered from playing MK.

I like that

 

[*JuriHan*]

**** originality, play to win!

oh wait this ain't Pokemon.......

**** honor~ play to win!

fix'd

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

naw dawg, i'm gona play 2000000 friendlies with esam camping as gay as i can


we're crackin this "broken mk" ****


i shouldn't win like that

 

[KassandraNova]

No I'm sure the way you won was fine. Now if you timed him out... Well....
That would be just mean. x_x

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

there were a couple matches that might have....

 

[Kaffei]

there were a couple matches that might have....

You did that in friendlies?

 

[Mew2King]

lol the Brawl timer should be longer by at LEAST a minute I have been saying this for over a year

 

[iFudge]

Lets make it 10 o_O

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

**** it


20 minute timer less dooo itt

 

[manofgames4555]

Thanks for the match up tip...

 

[V]

9-10 minute timer sounds good for people fighting Wario and MK but it seems like that would make it harder fighting ICs. Last time I checked MK beat Pikachu fairly easily. Has the Pikachu metagame vs MK evolved?

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

no


just Esam has immensley

 

[IIIIRICK]

whats wrong with approaching pika on the ground other than him spamming neutral B?

not to good on the match up

 

[V]

whats wrong with approaching pika on the ground other than him spamming neutral B?

not to good on the match up

I thought dtilt and ftilt ***** him but i guess its more complex than that. I'd imagine it's sorta like playing falco in that the beginning of each stock you need to avoid the grab but Pika's camping game isn't quite as good. Pika can actually edge guard to some extent and planking is a little more difficult but overall but approaching a spamming pika is pretty simple. walk > PS > walk > PS. He has a good keep away game with QAC but I'm honestly not too knowledgeable about the finer details of the MU nor do I have experience like Seibrik so maybe it is kinda difficult

 

[V]

lol the Brawl timer should be longer by at LEAST a minute I have been saying this for over a year

The tribe has spoken

 

[Kel]

Are there videos of this set, Seibrik?

I played with Anther a week after MLG and asked him specifically about this matchup (seeing as I lost to ESAM): to which I got more or less no real answer. Anther told me that even he thinks it's a hard match up for MK. He says when he plays MK vs pika (just for fun) he can see how weird of a match up it is. I can definitely see how it's in MK's favor but you have to play it differently, seeing as you can't exactly GIMP pika (as he has the second-best recovery in the game).

Play him like he's ICs/ Falco until 60% and remember that his jolt has a ton of lag.


...then again, you're the one that beats pikachus, not me lol.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

im pretty sure winners finals (i lose) and grand finals were all recorded..


i'll ask him to start uploading them soon

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Plank that mother****a

 

[AllyKnight]

Plank that mother****a

 

[clowsui]

judge knows a LOOT about this matchup
i don't remember the last time he lost to thrzy

 

[clowsui]

judge knows a LOOT about this matchup
i don't remember the last time he lost to thrzy

 

[KillerChao]

i asked sensei about this match up and he told me if you want to win you have to play the role of the coward and plank
(i saw a tear fall from his face then i knew it was the truth)

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

planking is eh vs pika

he's got some stuff to hit mk with (thunderjolts annoyin to me)