Official Hyrule Hangout - Sheik Social

[WondrousMoose]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys think Sheik would fair (lol punz) in Melee or PM? Her "chaingrabing" would be usable, she would be almost impossible to edgeguard and more. She would not get too much off of L-cancles, but wavedashing would make her a force to be reckond with.

If she had Melee's hitstun, she'd be worse than Meta Knight.

 

[Daymaster]

If she had Melee's hitstun, she'd be worse than Meta Knight.

Not really. From the Smash Wiki: In Super Smash Bros. 4, hitstun retains the multiplier of x0.4 it has in Melee and Brawl." The only reason for higher hitstun was larger numbers going into the Knockback formula.

 

[{Kyro}]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys think Sheik would fair (lol punz) in Melee or PM? Her "chaingrabing" would be usable, she would be almost impossible to edgeguard and more. She would not get too much off of L-cancles, but wavedashing would make her a force to be reckond with.

Sheik is in Melee and PM...
Am I missing something?

 

[WondrousMoose]

Not really. From the Smash Wiki: In Super Smash Bros. 4, hitstun retains the multiplier of x0.4 it has in Melee and Brawl." The only reason for higher hitstun was larger numbers going into the Knockback formula.

Well, shows what I know. I've just seen people mention the hitstun before; I never really played Melee. Still, though, I feel that she would do really well.

 

[Daymaster]

Sheik is in Melee and PM...
Am I missing something?

I ment Smahs 4's version of Sheik. Sorry for not making that clear.

 

[ArikadoSD]

I refuse to believe the hitstun is the same. The formula might be the same but there's DEFINITELY something different about it. Engine or some ****.

Put on Melee, pick Falcon, down air someone on the ground and let them miss the tech, they can't act out of it for like 209182 years, to the point where in yoshi's you could dair someone in centre stage at a certain percent, jump and waveland on the top platform, and fsmash.. and it would be a true combo. not in sm4sh.

 

[{Kyro}]

I refuse to believe the hitstun is the same. The formula might be the same but there's DEFINITELY something different about it. Engine or some ****.

Put on Melee, pick Falcon, down air someone on the ground and let them miss the tech, they can't act out of it for like 209182 years, to the point where in yoshi's you could dair someone in centre stage at a certain percent, jump and waveland on the top platform, and fsmash.. and it would be a true combo. not in sm4sh.

Melee airdodging

 

[Simikins]

Melee airdodging

The hitstun is still super different.
Like, SUPER different.
Same formula sure, but whatever's going into the formula is VERY different.

 

[WondrousMoose]

Well, since I'm feeling less wrong, I'll repeat that given Melee's apparent hitstun, Sheik would be worse than Meta Knight. Imagine if all our Fair strings were true combos and if all our needle tech carried over.
From 0%: Ftilt>Ftilt>Ftilt>Ftilt>Ftilt>Fair>Fair>Fair>FH Fair>falling Fair>etc.>Bouncing Fish

 

[Simikins]

Last time I tried to play melee I did the Fair > Transform into zelda
True combo

 

[Daymaster]

I can't play Sheik in Melee or PM either. I always try to use Fair to combo and neglect Dthrow and F-tilt.

 

[ArikadoSD]

As someone who mains Sheik in all games she's available at (except brawl I don't play it or play Marth when I do lol), it took me just a little bit to adjust to the fact that she's really different, but after a while you get used to it. At first I was doing some sm4sh sheik tech in melee/PM and it wouldn't work out (most notable would be using vanish after uair to get some extra damage) but I'm really used to just playing her differently in each game now.

I never used down b in melee wanting to do bouncing fish tho lol.

 

[{Kyro}]

As someone who mains Sheik in all games she's available at (except brawl I don't play it or play Marth when I do lol), it took me just a little bit to adjust to the fact that she's really different, but after a while you get used to it. At first I was doing some sm4sh sheik tech in melee/PM and it wouldn't work out (most notable would be using vanish after uair to get some extra damage) but I'm really used to just playing her differently in each game now.

I never used down b in melee wanting to do bouncing fish tho lol.

I think melee fox is actually a lot closer to Smash 4 Sheik, but I haven't played melee that much so I wouldn't know for sure

 

[Deleted member]

I love Melee Sheik. I'd be maining her in that game if the Ice Climbers weren't a thing.

I still thought Brawl Sheik was hella underrated, I had tons of fun with her there lol

 

[Simikins]

I love Melee Sheik. I'd be maining her in that game if the Ice Climbers weren't a thing.

I still thought Brawl Sheik was hella underrated, I had tons of fun with her there lol

I love brawl sheik.
If brawl ever gets revived or accepted again in the competitive community, I'll definitely be playing sheik. She feels very similar to sm4sh, but with better tilts!

 

[Deleted member]

I love brawl sheik.
If brawl ever gets revived or accepted again in the competitive community, I'll definitely be playing sheik. She feels very similar to sm4sh, but with better tilts!

I really hope Brawl gets a revival.

I'd probably main Ness if the grab release infinites on him and Lucas were banned, though.

 

[Daymaster]

And now I'm going to start dedicating tons of time to makeing a Smash 4 Sheik PSA (Project Smash Attacks, the best character modding tool) for Brawl. Why do you guys give me ideas? XD

 

[{Kyro}]

And now I'm going to start dedicating tons of time to makeing a Smash 4 Sheik PSA (Project Smash Attacks, the best character modding tool) for Brawl. Why do you guys give me ideas? XD

Freedom of speech

 

[Daymaster]

I just now realized that ZSS has a faster run speed than us. How did I not notice this before?

 

[Simikins]

I just now realized that ZSS has a faster run speed than us. How did I not notice this before?

I didn't know that.
So we play a ninja and we run slower than someone who runs while wearing high heels.
Hmm.

 

[Shaya]

Jet fueled high heels

longer legs...
better muscle mass density...

 

[MintChipper]

How do I improve with this character if everyone I play with leaves after one friendly because "Sheik is broken".

 

[WondrousMoose]

How do I improve with this character if everyone I play with leaves after one friendly because "Sheik is broken".

Play people who aren't as whiny. Don't let their attitude hurt your growth.

 

[Daymaster]

How do I improve with this character if everyone I play with leaves after one friendly because "Sheik is broken".

If you are looking for actual game play, than check out Anther's Ladder.

 

[Simikins]

How do I improve with this character if everyone I play with leaves after one friendly because "Sheik is broken".

Those people are never going to get good at this game.
Find people who don't mind playing vs sheik, or who aren't assholes :D
If people are smart, they should be playing as much as they can vs sheik. I mean she is the best in the game, it's kinda the #1 matchup to know.

 

[ArikadoSD]

I can relate tbh. There's a couple people who I hate playing Sheik against because they'll just keep complaining or be very noticeable frustrated/mad/whatever, so I just avoid playing them or play someone else lol.

 

[MintChipper]

If you are looking for actual game play, than check out Anther's Ladder.

I tried it for like a week and didn't like it, I play the player more than I play the matchup and online just does not feel precise at all.

 

[Daymaster]

I tried it for like a week and didn't like it, I play the player more than I play the matchup and online just does not feel precise at all.

In that case, I don't have enough experience to say. The rest of the people that responded seem to have good advice, however.

 

[MintChipper]

In that case, I don't have enough experience to say. The rest of the people that responded seem to have good advice, however.

Yeah, thank you dudes.

 

[{Kyro}]

I tried it for like a week and didn't like it, I play the player more than I play the matchup and online just does not feel precise at all.

The whole point of high level Smash is playing the player so it sounds like Anther's is fine for you

 

[Daymaster]

I've been wondering lately: What is Sheik's easiest MU? To me, it seems like Ganon and Robin both get absolutely demolished by us, but what is you guys' opinion?

 

[ArikadoSD]

I've been wondering lately: What is Sheik's easiest MU? To me, it seems like Ganon and Robin both get absolutely demolished by us, but what is you guys' opinion?

definitely ganon lmao

 

[{Kyro}]

Ganondorf, no contest. Nobody else even comes close

 

[WondrousMoose]

Has anyone picked up Clash Royale?

 

[{Kyro}]

Has anyone picked up Clash Royale?

There's a supercell forum, go post there


yes

 

[WondrousMoose]

There's a supercell forum, go post there


yes

Bro. Bro? Bro. Come on.


You enjoying it so far?

 

[Deleted member]

I've been wondering lately: What is Sheik's easiest MU? To me, it seems like Ganon and Robin both get absolutely demolished by us, but what is you guys' opinion?

, and . is also pretty ezpz, only hard part is finishing him off because his recovery is actually deceptively long distanced.

 

[{Kyro}]

Bro. Bro? Bro. Come on.


You enjoying it so far?

I have two accounts and I'm on Arena 3 in both of them

 

[{Kyro}]

I just realized you can Perfect Pivot in every game after 64

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I just realized that was a double post

 

[ArikadoSD]

I just realized you can Perfect Pivot in every game after 64

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I just realized that was a double post

I wish sm4sh had 64-like pivots dude

64 movement was so sick