How would you improve Melee?

[Dan Salvato]

Blasphemy, I know. But the game's not perfect, and so I'm wondering what you guys would change about the mechanics, or maybe certain characters, if you had the chance. I don't have much input, but I think I'd like to see the power shield eliminate shield stun (like parrying in SF3?), which would change player options a lot and make shield pressure more interesting. Maybe I'd also add some frames to dropping a shield in order to prevent brokenness from trying to power shield all the time.

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

Buff Sheik.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Can't there be a board for crappy/hypothetical threads?

Please mods It would really clean up Melee Discussion lol.

 

[Bones0]

Lagless online play.
/thread

 

[EPsilon933]

Character balance. 18 of the characters in this game can't really put up a good fight

 

[GhllieShdeKnife]

ya a troll subsection of discussion.
trolls trolling trolls
i would just include online for melee

 

[Claire Diviner]

Online play.

Aaaand we're moving on...

 

[MasterShake]

Make Mewtwo heavier.

 

[Divinokage]

Umm that is basically what Project:M is for. =P Making lots of more characters viable in tournament play. Umm.. ya online would of been nice as hell.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I would want more character balance I guess.

 

[frotaz37]

Yoshi jump out of shield.

T_T

 

[Sinji]

Ganon with Falcon utilt
discard electric damage from pichu

 

[:Tally Hoes]

We would prefer a larger commutiy, also yes I deceided your opionon because sometimes we don't know what we really want.

 

[Dan Salvato]

discard electric damage from pichu

I think that's the least of his problems.

Umm that is basically what Project:M is for. =P Making lots of more characters viable in tournament play. Umm.. ya online would of been nice as hell.

I had Project:M in mind when creating this thread. Replicating Melee's mechanics 100% doesn't make sense when some things should be changed.
Also, you can play Melee online if you have a decent PC.

 

[Twinkles]

An adventure mode that is different for every single character
That plays out like a crazy platformer
Like, moving platforms, wall-jumping shenanigans and the like

 

[Sinji]

Like, moving platforms,

sounds like wonderland.

 

[christianizcool]

Make it more like Brawl

 

[Sinji]

Allow Andross to obtain crazy hand and master hand then destroy Corneria.

Fox/Falco has one stock
Prepare

 

[Pi]

online play obv.

but i would also like a more shieldhitstun scaling with bigger moves, or slow moves, just some more thought put into how the shield operates in general

i don't like that it shrinks, i think it should just cover a % of ur body, and angling was the only way to make it not poke, or even if it was pretty small, and u had to angle it, i think that'd be cool to see how the meta developed around that

i also think it would be cool if, going off of that, you could only roll/jump/spot dodge out of ur shield with the Cstick, and that shielding and using the joystick ONLY angled ur shield, and one of those two allowed u to drop through platforms

also, to avoid confusion, i still think it should break, i just don't think it should shrink first, maybe just go through colors like yoshi's does

 

[Dan Salvato]

online play obv.

but i would also like a more shieldhitstun scaling with bigger moves, or slow moves, just some more thought put into how the shield operates in general

i don't like that it shrinks, i think it should just cover a % of ur body, and angling was the only way to make it not poke, or even if it was pretty small, and u had to angle it, i think that'd be cool to see how the meta developed around that

i also think it would be cool if, going off of that, you could only roll/jump/spot dodge out of ur shield with the Cstick, and that shielding and using the joystick ONLY angled ur shield, and one of those two allowed u to drop through platforms

also, to avoid confusion, i still think it should break, i just don't think it should shrink first, maybe just go through colors like yoshi's does

This. I was about to mention rolling with the C-stick only before I read this. Imagine Link actually using his shield to block, or turning around while shielding as part of the meta-game.

 

[Smasher89]

Improve Nanas AI so that she don´t do exacly same thing in certain situations, maybe put on the brawl AI on her, with a few differences.
Make alternating grabs possible brawl style (more control of nana, not "random throws" from her).

Increase puffs bair range.

 

[Veetaak]

Lagless online play.
/thread

This and buffing bad characters

And also throw in some kind of spectator mode online

 

[Wretched]

Buff everybody who isn't in high tier JUST ENOUGH so that they become a bit more accessible.
At mid-level play, playing anybody who isn't high/top tier is just asking to lose. With that said, even high level play seems that way with a few exceptions, like Axe and Taj.
Give everyone that isn't high/top tier a tiny buff so that they can at least develop their metagames a bit more. That would jumpstart the community.

 

[-ACE-]

Can't there be a board for crappy/hypothetical threads?

Please mods It would really clean up Melee Discussion lol.

Lol @ thought of cleaning up MD

Random idea that I found intriguing: What if L-cancels yielded 1/3 (or 1/4) of the expected landing lag on an aerial instead of 1/2 (this basically means we'd have 2-3 frames less lag from an L-cancel than we do now)? Would approaching get slightly safer? By how much?

I wish I could toggle randall, the wind on DL64, the transformations on PS, etc. to make the game slightly more competitive (taking a step closer to true opponent vs opponent competition, aka not opponent + stage vs opponent). I could even add another platform-less stage besides FD (like one small + one larger) personally (I'm sure most of you hate the thought of that LOL). Also, no more items for Peach, she's lucky enough to get stitch faces, screw bombs and beam swords and **** lol.

 

[DerfMidWest]

neeedzzzz online. and awesome singleplayer. and better character balance. and Pichu needs to be a better character. that is all.

also ... what would happen if we gave luigi fox's shine? lol.

 

[Archangel]

Umm that is basically what Project:M is for. =P Making lots of more characters viable in tournament play. Umm.. ya online would of been nice as hell.

Thread ended here.

 

[Sinji]

Kage killed the thread lol.

 

[Dan Salvato]

At mid-level play, playing anybody who isn't high/top tier is just asking to lose. With that said, even high level play seems that way with a few exceptions, like Axe and Taj.

I think it's the other way around. People generally agreed in another thread about tiers that the other tiers really only become unusable at top-level play. Until then, it depends more on the player, not the character.

Pichu needs to be a better character.

That would make Pichu pointless.

 

[christianizcool]

I think it's the other way around. People generally agreed in another thread about tiers that the other tiers really only become unusable at top-level play. Until then, it depends more on the player, not the character.
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Maybe, but Genesis 2 is evidence against that. Taj has a mean Mewtwo, even in the winner's final against Armada's Peach. And Armada's YLink beat HBox's Puff.

 

[Roneblaster]

Improve Nanas AI so that she don´t do exacly same thing in certain situations, maybe put on the brawl AI on her, with a few differences.
Make alternating grabs possible brawl style (more control of nana, not "random throws" from her).

Increase puffs bair range.

Your strategies include timing ppl out and generally being as gay as possible, no1 cares about ur opinion.

This game would be better if the only characters where fox falco falcon and marth.

Most floaties just make me want to punch an innocent bystander.

 

[Kason Birdman]

oh my god i detested subspace emissary.....



I would just make every character besides the spacies and falcon fall faster lol. and make some heavier.

 

[kevo]

More game modes would be cool, such as building in a Crew Battle function.

Or another variation on doubles, called 2v2 Alternate Stock. It would be the same as 1v1, except two players on a team alternate with each stock they have (of course, they can have different characters). It would be a fun change, and create neat matchups.

 

[Varist]

Maybe, but Genesis 2 is evidence against that. Taj has a mean Mewtwo, even in the winner's final against Armada's Peach. And Armada's YLink beat HBox's Puff.

No. What evidence are you talking about? Taj is great, sure, but just because he used Mewtwo a couple of times doesn't suddenly mean, "omg taj climbed all the way up to winners in a national using mewtwo.. mewtwo is a great char guys!"

If Mango makes it to Winners Finals of Apex and picks Pichu in one of his matches and gets knocked into Losers, it doesn't mean that Mango provided evidence that "Pichu is ****".

And the guy was talking about tiers, not match-ups. YLink vs Puff is a matchup. YLink is decent at that matchup. Just because YLink is good at one top-tier matchup doesn't mean he deserves to rocket up the tier list. You're trying to ignore all of his disadvantages by focusing on one specific situation where he excels.

 

[christianizcool]

No. What evidence are you talking about? Taj is great, sure, but just because he used Mewtwo a couple of times doesn't suddenly mean, "omg taj climbed all the way up to winners in a national using mewtwo.. mewtwo is a great char guys!"

If Mango makes it to Winners Finals of Apex and picks Pichu in one of his matches and gets knocked into Losers, it doesn't mean that Mango provided evidence that "Pichu is ****".

And the guy was talking about tiers, not match-ups. YLink vs Puff is a matchup. YLink is decent at that matchup. Just because YLink is good at one top-tier matchup doesn't mean he deserves to rocket up the tier list. You're trying to ignore all of his disadvantages by focusing on one specific situation where he excels.

I am not claiming nearly as much as you think I am. All I was doing was defending this argument:

At mid-level play, playing anybody who isn't high/top tier is just asking to lose. With that said, even high level play seems that way with a few exceptions, like Axe and Taj.

I was simply saying there are some people who use low tier characters really well at high level play. I was in no way saying YLink or Mewtwo should be any higher on the tier list.

 

[Sinji]

Have a dress app for peach so you can customize her dress.

 

[Divinokage]

You can definitely break into high level with a low tier... but after that, it's probably required to switch characters up in order to win more matches vs certain players. Just like Taj, he uses Marth to beat the top players and but then he always has a Mewtwo has a "secret" tool to have more options for counter-picking since that's a really smart choice to do. Having more tools even outside gameplay is great.

 

[Spyro]

I would add more character balance, not even half of the cast is tournament viable.

 

[Zzuxon]

I would get rid of Dr. mario, and pichu, and add Ridley/Meta-Knight/Dedede and Scizor/deoxys/PKMN trainer. Then I would balance all characters, and give it a GOOD adventure mode.

 

[Dan Salvato]

I would get rid of Dr. mario, and pichu, and add Ridley/Meta-Knight/Dedede and Scizor/deoxys/PKMN trainer. Then I would balance all characters, and give it a GOOD adventure mode.

Get rid of Pichu? Add Meta Knight? Prepare to be destroyed by everyone on the boards.

 

[Spyro]

I would get rid of Dr. mario, and pichu, and add Ridley/Meta-Knight/Dedede and Scizor/deoxys/PKMN trainer. Then I would balance all characters, and give it a GOOD adventure mode.

PKMN trainer sucks, just make them there own individual character. You want to add Ridley and Meta-Knight? Seriously? *sigh*