Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[PseudoTurtle]

Yo tm, I'm in your pool. Let the falcon smashing begin

 

[tm]

woah, you're right, but you weren't there the other day o_O
or maybe my friend somehow didn't copy your name to the list that was posted.

the rundown:
Basically scar metroid j00t gravy windrose all falcons
roki plays fox/ whoever but will go falcon against ganon
shaeden is a solid MI falco, who will probably destroy me
garzal is in the toledo crew with me, previously from columbus. He plays marth but isn't very experienced yet.
dunno who blinK is

 

[Renth]

I'll try it next time I hang out with RockCrock.

Good looking out spidey.

 

[Divinokage]

Hey kage, did you ever watch my bracket vid? I'd love some more help before the Big House.
(relink) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jHIqVglpo

Its a little tough to give advice when to me it seems both of you are all over the place. >_< lol.

You have to structure your attacks better, you jump way too much. For Ganon to jump it's usually a big commitment since his jumps and his moves are pretty slow. You should stay grounded against Falcon because he can easily counter attack you with his speed. I don't think I've seen a single techchase or grab setups with either of you. lol. When you jab a shield, you are unsafe but idk why you got hit with dair OOS a few times, that should not work you have time to shield at least. Though you counter-attacked his Nair pretty good at times when you backjump Faired it or backjump bair, both works. It might be also interesting if you are too close with Falcon, that's when you should CC at low % and go for grabs since you can possibly mess up his spacing, I've had it happen where you can CC first hit nair and jab before 2nd hit comes out.

Also try as best you can to never be above Falcon, that's pretty much suicide which is why also I said don't jump too much, jump only after Falcon jumped first if you can. And ya Ftilt is good if you can call his jump as well at that range because if you hit his shield with ftilt, he might have time to reset himself a little bit. If you hit him too close with ftilt then he can grab you. You can also string jab -> dashattack/dtilt/ftilt as a true combo.. you should mess around with that. Also try to uair if you see Falcon come down at you and possibly link it to another aerial after.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Don't get fooled by falcons dash dance. If you think he's going to do it (or if he IS doing it clearly trying to bait a fair), just jump into a waveland grab or ftilt (safer). As for his nair, bair beats it, uair trades, high-angled ftilt can beat it and leads to a tech chase even at low percent. Don't be in your shield too much. If you screw up your spacing and are going to get hit, it'll usually be with a nair. Crouch cancel that **** at low percents, free grab or jab. At high percents DI down and away to avoid getting comboed. It's probably best to sdi it, but I suck at sdi.

That's falcon advice for a start, so hopefully we can both put in some work in our pools!

Oh and I wasn't in the pool the other day because if some registration errors on my part

 

[tm]

Its a little tough to give advice when to me it seems both of you are all over the place. >_< lol.

You have to structure your attacks better, you jump way too much. For Ganon to jump it's usually a big commitment since his jumps and his moves are pretty slow. You should stay grounded against Falcon because he can easily counter attack you with his speed. I don't think I've seen a single techchase or grab setups with either of you. lol. When you jab a shield, you are unsafe but idk why you got hit with dair OOS a few times, that should not work you have time to shield at least. Though you counter-attacked his Nair pretty good at times when you backjump Faired it or backjump bair, both works. It might be also interesting if you are too close with Falcon, that's when you should CC at low % and go for grabs since you can possibly mess up his spacing, I've had it happen where you can CC first hit nair and jab before 2nd hit comes out.

Also try as best you can to never be above Falcon, that's pretty much suicide which is why also I said don't jump too much, jump only after Falcon jumped first if you can. And ya Ftilt is good if you can call his jump as well at that range because if you hit his shield with ftilt, he might have time to reset himself a little bit. If you hit him too close with ftilt then he can grab you. You can also string jab -> dashattack/dtilt/ftilt as a true combo.. you should mess around with that. Also try to uair if you see Falcon come down at you and possibly link it to another aerial after.

thanks a lot, some of this is what I expected, but a few things I wouldn't have thought of. It's nice too see it collected clearly.
One of my big flaws is that when the other person is DDing, I feel the need to look threatening/ fast, so I end up jumping a lot and whiffing aerials because I try to predict their approach instead of being patient and staying grounded. I can definitely focus on these things now though.

Don't get fooled by falcons dash dance. If you think he's going to do it (or if he IS doing it clearly trying to bait a fair), just jump into a waveland grab or ftilt (safer). As for his nair, bair beats it, uair trades, high-angled ftilt can beat it and leads to a tech chase even at low percent. Don't be in your shield too much. If you screw up your spacing and are going to get hit, it'll usually be with a nair. Crouch cancel that **** at low percents, free grab or jab. At high percents DI down and away to avoid getting comboed. It's probably best to sdi it, but I suck at sdi.

That's falcon advice for a start, so hopefully we can both put in some work in our pools!

Oh and I wasn't in the pool the other day because if some registration errors on my part

thanks as well, and good luck this weekend. It'll be sweet to meet some of you guys on here. Big House 2 was my second tournament, so I'm hoping to demonstrate my improvement and learn a lot more. The concentration of talent at this will be ridiculous

 

[Divinokage]

Ya try to never whiff an attack, at higher level, you cannot afford to miss one attack.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

^If you miss an approaching fair or a dair vs falcon or marth, you're grabbed, comboed, and most likely gonna stack on some percent.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

so it's a runoff, but you jump before you actually run off the stage?

anyway, here's some rare footage of my ganon, from last weeks winners finals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHgOLt8rKAA (skip past my non-laser fox getting smacked)

 

[KirbyKaze]

^If you miss an approaching fair or a dair vs falcon or marth, you're grabbed, comboed, and most likely gonna stack on some percent.

False. The damage counter resets to zero when you die.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

^ forgot to mention sheik.

And lol at that warlock punch, Chris.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

It was on purpose too. Wanted to see how long he'd stay in shield lol. We both started laughing cuz it sseemed like he considered staying put.

 

[tm]

Had an amazing time at the big house. It was cool meeting you guys (kage, pseudoturtle, and trail [we played in doubles but didn't talk])

till next time (apex anyone?)

 

[Renth]

- tm.

Come to Fight Pitt 3 November 23rd.

I'm going.

 

[Divinokage]

Ya man, it was fun Pseudo/tm. =D Im gonna see if I can practice just a little more to increase my technical consistency. It was a little annoying in tournament matches to SD for no reason or not move exactly the way I wanted but i guess ill never really know if the matches could've been that much different. =P

 

[tm]

alrighty, probably will. Is that cleveland area or pittsburgh area?

 

[tm]

double post because poor timing

Yeah kage, when you were on it you played amazing, but had some unfortunate mistakes. I honestly think you were *that* close from beating both darkatma and PPU, but oh well. Not to say they didn't deserve the win, as they are both great players. Just gotta get so good that you'll still win on your worst day

 

[Divinokage]

Ya it's all good, i went there for fun mainly as I don't have much time to play but Ill try to squeeze some time for it for the next tournaments coming up real soon.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

if you guys wanna make your **** hard from some ganondorf nonsense, check some of these videos out

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bz8Du4TQSx9LeWwzLTc1LW0wTzQ&usp=sharing

the only stuff worth watching imo is the top row and "team edgeguard" at the bottom

oh and REAL tech skill in the second row

i'm the japanese character tag (for those curious, it spells out roshia [russia]), renth is PGHG, Dap is my apprentice, and rock is rockcrock (duh)


also good **** roy, saw you play cort. you should have just gone ganondorf the whole set.

 

[Renth]

alrighty, probably will. Is that cleveland area or pittsburgh area?

http://smashboards.com/threads/figh...onus-november-23rd-2013-pittsburgh-pa.334725/

 

[tm]

http://smashboards.com/threads/figh...onus-november-23rd-2013-pittsburgh-pa.334725/

thank you kindly.

oh and REAL tech skill in the second row

DAT TECH

 

[PseudoTurtle]

That was a pretty troll dair, Ian.

 

[MinorThreat]

Hey Kage, I was trying to understand what you did here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5DD_SLCmrU&feature=player_detailpage#t=302 to get that grab. Is that a waveland cc shield grab? It was great meeting you at the big house.

also whatup tm really nice seeing you at the big house. Tell me when you're around cause we never got to play

 

[Divinokage]

Ok so ya, I got hit by the laser while still in the air and then I wavelanded backwards while holding down and then grabbing his nair as he couldn't follow it up. You should try also to SDI the laser so you have enough room to waveland but usually I dont think there's a problem with that, I think i just SDIed in the direction of the floor away from him, it worked out really well there and punished him hard lol.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

^^ is your tag based off the band? If so, you're my new favorite person.

 

[tm]

also whatup tm really nice seeing you at the big house. Tell me when you're around cause we never got to play

ya I'll let you know. Soonest I'll be in MI again is probably going to be beach house

 

[RockCrock]

Ganon is gimmicks

 

[Divinokage]

Ganon is gimmicks

I still remember your sick shaman though.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Ganon is gimmicks

Change your old ass signature, noob.

We need to organise another big Ganondorf meetup.

 

[Renth]

Change your old *** signature, noob.

We need to organise another big Ganondorf meetup.

So long we can Invite Harriet, Col Bol and Plup minimum again. There was a sickening amount of Ganon dittos... It was way too much.

 

[RockCrock]

I still remember your sick shaman though.

rofl, I still remember seeing your warrior running around in Northrend, and you sent me a private message saying that we should money match. Hahah!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

So long we can Invite Harriet, Col Bol and Plup minimum again. There was a sickening amount of Ganon dittos... It was way too much.

i enjoyed practicing the matchup.

gotta beat dennis/kage in tournament some day.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Kage if we ever face off in tournament, I got you. Come to more tourneys!

 

[RockCrock]

http://www.twitch.tv/televatorsk

Renth, RockCrock, Smashmac, Uberice. Megamatt. Smash Fest. Generate some hype

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Kage, the best thing about your falcon matches is your ability to adapt. It seems like you always lose the first match and then come back in style. The last few that you won vs. hax, your match vs scar at big house... That is definitely something I need to work on. I beat gravy (pretty good falcon) pretty badly first match and then he came back and convincingly beat me second match and then it was an extremely close third match, which he won. And that seems to be the case with me every damn time. Teach me your ways.

Also, what is a good option after a bair on shield. I try to pivot jab, but I always get grabbed. Should I buffer a roll? Space out of grab range (falcon and marth would just nair/fair me though)? I feel like this is one you would know, Ace.

 

[Linguini]

You can always bair---> dash forward----> tilt or w.e you want

 

[Divinokage]

Kage, the best thing about your falcon matches is your ability to adapt. It seems like you always lose the first match and then come back in style. The last few that you won vs. hax, your match vs scar at big house... That is definitely something I need to work on. I beat gravy (pretty good falcon) pretty badly first match and then he came back and convincingly beat me second match and then it was an extremely close third match, which he won. And that seems to be the case with me every damn time. Teach me your ways.

Also, what is a good option after a bair on shield. I try to pivot jab, but I always get grabbed. Should I buffer a roll? Space out of grab range (falcon and marth would just nair/fair me though)? I feel like this is one you would know, Ace.

Could you tell me why Gravy brought it back on you? Do you have vids maybe? Because I felt like you have mental blocks for having a good critical analysis on your own self.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

I think you're right about that, actually Kage. I can't analyze my playstyle very well, even when I watch vids, and no, none were recorded. But gravy might've been a bad example, actually, because I had a bad case of tournament nerves. I was up two stocks to one (0% to high percent) and he pulled out like two sick zero-death (or near it) combos to finish me off and I just survival DI'd them hoping he would **** up instead of actually thinking haha. In other words, I choked hard.

But take my matches vs scar: the first match on battlefield was decently close, it was last stock (or 2nd stock high percent I don't remember clearly), but then he destroyed me on fountain lol after learning my tricks and adapting to me.

On a better note, I played for the first time since big house yesterday and FINALLY realized I'm in my shield too much and it changed my game, especially vs. Marth because I didn't get grabbed nearly as much, which is the death of me. But then I experimented with not shielding as much vs falco and got wrecked lmao.

Linguini, I always get grabbed before I can even dash away, unless I specifically space it out of grab range. Am I hitting their shield too high?

 

[tm]

probably should always specifically space it out of grab range if they're sheilding. Good **** taking a game off gravy though, he destroyed me lol. Scar might have been sandbagging

 

[Divinokage]

Ya never think like that, just focus on your game. You can never find expect someone to **** up and then hoping you'd win that way, always defend yourself then continue to make a game plan.