Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
Ganon seems less scary while he is carrying a turnip. I think it's better not to catch the turnip at all.
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
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PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Not at all man. Ganon is soo good with turnips. Dropping turnips in the air and DI away with an aerial covers soo much range. Then you have things like throwing the turnip to change the direction Ganons facing in the air to switch up aerials. Best is side B then hit em with a hard turnip. Most of the time I do just end up catching and releasing asap but if you land and Peach isn't rushing, catch it again and throw it back.
When you get a turnip you get a reason to camp. So do it.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
lol by that logic thayt means i **** on u in crews i f smashed u to death ***** **** outta here
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Uhh... So can anyone answer my question about the UPB OoS against Falco's pillar?
Renth
Smash Hero
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
I have another question.
Linguini, I just watched your matches, and why is it that you use so much Bair on Falcon? I just wanted to know if there was a reason, like priority or the like.
Linguini, I just watched your matches, and why is it that you use so much Bair on Falcon? I just wanted to know if there was a reason, like priority or the like.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
We only played one game. =P
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Nah up-b won't help you out when you're getting pillar'd
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Pound 4 is mine!!!!!!
CluelessBTD
Smash Ace
Nah dude, gotta be serious. You can't change Ganon's metagame enough to win Pound 4. Anyway, I'm gonna win, so you'll be wasting your time.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I'll find that extra power needed to win, just watch!!!
LoOshKiN
Smash Journeyman
Also, you DO know that if you're close enough to a Falco that ledge-hops double lasers, you can crouch cancel to jab, right? You jab after CCing the first laser and definitely before the second.
:-P
Well, I've done this once before and I'm pretty sure I've seen Linguini do it.
Renth
Smash Hero
pretty common knowledge good to spread around
DippnDots
Feral Youth
there's enough time to tilt in between lazers too, and in person i've seen darkrain fsmash with falcon but i dont know if ganons has the same timing.
TommyDerMeister
Smash Lord
I sooo want to go to Pound 4. Should be sexy.
KIngGerudo
Smash Lord
I like to jab or grab the falco. if you grab i just stand there infront of him and shield grab after the first laser, the laser should hit you by the time you grab so it flings him off the stage and should set up for a easy edgeguard. jabbing is legit and fsmashing might be a little tricky since ganon is much talled than CF.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
King what happened to you man? You went AWOL from the boards. lol, Glad to see you back though.
TommyDerMeister
Smash Lord
how well would a dtilt work instead of jabbing or grabbing? I mean your already crouching from the 1st cc's laser shot. And since it's at the edge of the stage, could it potential lead to a fair at certain percents which could lead to death or some edgeguarding?
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Dtilt might work well. Personally Jab is what I tend to go for since it has so little lag and you can jump out for the edge guard earlier.
KIngGerudo
Smash Lord
haha thanks, i completely shut down and stopped playing smash for a while but i started up again. so rusty >_oKing what happened to you man? You went AWOL from the boards. lol, Glad to see you back though.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
Me and Ace simultaneously dair spiked each other off-stage in a ganon ditto the other day... nothing special i guess but it was pretty funny. That ever happen to any of ya'll?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't know if it was at Genesis but I remember both Ganons me and I forget who.. we doubled wizard foot spike each other. =P
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Never heard of or seen either of the two but they both sound hilarious.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
yeah I've done that before too once or twice.. funny **** kage lol. wizard's foot is a little more opportune for stuff like that i would think. Every once in awhile when I wizard's foot spike falco mid-fantasm going for ledge I get spiked too lol. We were both very surprised that the 2 dair spikes happened though... just luck i guess. We both caught each other around ganon's shoulder range for the stomp and did it at the exact same time on the right side of dream land.
Renth
Smash Hero
don't think i've encountered that one, I have aerial down b, to aerial down b combo'd before though lol. Jigglypuff went out on dreamland to kick me out of the stage i down b'd him and followed him straight down with another one.
It was pretty funny.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Also I saw Hax and SS, short hop nair both each other.. and then right after both full jump nair and again they both hit each other, one after the other and then everyone was like OOOHHHH!!!!! haha. Happened in WC vs EC crews. Probably recorded.
studly
Smash Ace
yeah new ganon here!
i went to my first tournament recently... id went after spending a lot of time practicing shffl techniques and wave lands... my results at the turney were very discouraging. most of my matches were against C falcon and the space animals.. serious problems landing fair or any aerial in general.. it allways seemed like my opponent either had time to shield or to dodge and punish.
any general advice on landing aerials on approach???
i went to my first tournament recently... id went after spending a lot of time practicing shffl techniques and wave lands... my results at the turney were very discouraging. most of my matches were against C falcon and the space animals.. serious problems landing fair or any aerial in general.. it allways seemed like my opponent either had time to shield or to dodge and punish.
any general advice on landing aerials on approach???
DippnDots
Feral Youth
My guess is you're just being too straight forward and not spacing too well. Possibly fluking the l-cancels on shields. Sounds like my first tournament 
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Hm.. well keep on fighting!!!
Also, =(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1t28BnSa1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpQQ0D-Rm44&feature=related
spider_sense
Smash Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDs-lPmIUec
Here man, stay focused on watching that video, it pretty much covers how your Ganon should play, try to imitate everything that video shows you. Also watch matches of other Ganon mains. You have the old Ganon archive and the new G-dorf archives that Thomas Tipman put up (You'll know who that is once you watch that vid
)Keep playing. NOBODY does well their first actual competitive tournament, so it's to be expected, and please don't hesitate to ask more questions.
You need to learn how to L-cancel and space out your aerials, so you can't get punished. You can't just jump out there with a forward air and expect to get in a hit. With Ganon you usually have to set up for the situation, which means learning how to tech chase and utilize most of his grabs. Ever need more help, feel free to hit me up on aim.
@ Kage - Give those matches to Tipman, so he can put them up.
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
I actually had just watched those matches before hitting this thread up. Kage good **** man. I learned a lot just watching those two vids. I liked how effective CCing is in that match. The CC to down b was soo fvcking cool. One thing I notice you not do though was edge hog Sheik. Aw man that broke my heart cause I knew if you did you'd win it. You can do things like edge hog then ledge hop Uair to hit her as she recovers from landing and to get an easier edge hog vs Sheiks who needle during recovery try rolling to the edge with a light shield so she pushing you into a edge hog with needles. Good matches man, makes me wanna play some Sheiks.
Studly there is little to learn from ToP other than techs and a few set ups but if you're a technical player that's the basics. I would suggest using tilts, jabs and shffl uairs to develop a concrete ground game. Something new Ganons get exploited on is their desire to get into the air. You don't need a lot of the time. Once you double jump that's what your opponents have been waiting for so careful on that. I know Guini has given space animal tips before but Guini if you're reading this toss some tips and post em on the first page so you don't have to keep repeating the same post. Studly practice using bair and uair over fair. Along with jab, those faster moves change Ganons play style and help switch it up when spacing fairs isn't giving you the results you're baiting for.
Also the Fresh in the scene thread is there if anyone wants to add vids or discuss em just post. Rules are on the front and vids are going to disappear fast so keep sending those great matches.
Studly there is little to learn from ToP other than techs and a few set ups but if you're a technical player that's the basics. I would suggest using tilts, jabs and shffl uairs to develop a concrete ground game. Something new Ganons get exploited on is their desire to get into the air. You don't need a lot of the time. Once you double jump that's what your opponents have been waiting for so careful on that. I know Guini has given space animal tips before but Guini if you're reading this toss some tips and post em on the first page so you don't have to keep repeating the same post. Studly practice using bair and uair over fair. Along with jab, those faster moves change Ganons play style and help switch it up when spacing fairs isn't giving you the results you're baiting for.
Also the Fresh in the scene thread is there if anyone wants to add vids or discuss em just post. Rules are on the front and vids are going to disappear fast so keep sending those great matches.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
He's just being modest! You need to watch that video lol. ^_^
Tipman is right, you need to favor the fact that Ganon is a ground character and most of his game is mostly based on spacing and baiting.
For spacies, I'm not as good as Linguini is when it comes to this match-up but I can give you some advice. On how to deal with Falco and Fox, for both the entire match up is all about baiting, use d-throws to d smash for tech chasing, but don't use it too often, otherwise they'll tech far away from you and you can get punished for it. For edgeguarding Fox and Falco, learn how to use the down angled tilt if they're trying to side-b back to the level, if they're using their up-b (depending where they are on the level) you can dair them on the on the first hit when they try to come back, or you can learn to use the reverse up-air (demonstrated in ToP vid). I'll go over more specifics, but it's late as fvuk here, so I'll finish this later.
studly
Smash Ace
holy guys thanks for the quick response... i read them all
wow thanks again to u guys for the advice and for responding so quick... ill most likely be sticking around here asking questions and such... Ganons too kick *** for me to be switching mains anytime soon.. gona be a lot of practice put into this...probably watch that tipman vid a million times before this is through
yehprobably and i noticed the timing varies just slightlyMy guess is you're just being too straight forward and not spacing too well. Possibly fluking the l-cancels on shields. Sounds like my first tournament
yeh i see what you mean... ive heard of tipman before ...tho i dont think i quite realized the potential up-air actually hashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDs-lPmIUec
Here man, stay focused on watching that video, it pretty much covers how your Ganon should play, try to imitate everything that video shows you. Also watch matches of other Ganon mains. You have the old Ganon archive and the new G-dorf archives that Thomas Tipman put up (You'll know who that is once you watch that vid
now some of that is advice i actually havent been given before. and u knew my greatest weakness without ever seeing me play! punishmment on my eagerness to get in the air. ill have to get that timing down. tilts over spaced fairs it sounds like a crazy *** way to use ganon !! very cool
wow thanks again to u guys for the advice and for responding so quick... ill most likely be sticking around here asking questions and such... Ganons too kick *** for me to be switching mains anytime soon.. gona be a lot of practice put into this...probably watch that tipman vid a million times before this is through
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
Angle up ftilts are very effective for intercepting C.Falcons aerials. It can get predictable over time but effective overall.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ya well I know what to do vs Sheik, about the edgehog + punish.. it's just the tournament pressure. lol.
Did you see what happened to Darkrain on Kongo Jungle? Pretty much the exact same thing lol. Watch Darkrain vs M2k 2.
Studly, watch every Ganon.. and then choose your style. =P
Did you see what happened to Darkrain on Kongo Jungle? Pretty much the exact same thing lol. Watch Darkrain vs M2k 2.
Studly, watch every Ganon.. and then choose your style. =P
PaperstSoapCo
Smash Lord
IMO few Ganons are alike.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Can I get some specifics on the Spacies matchup? For Fox and Falco. I know that WD OoS is good. Really good.
I've also heard from Linguini that if you know they're about to approach with their lasers, you can just full jump Dair them -> combos.
For edgeguards, I see mostly Bairs.
CC works really well against Fox until you're 25%, I think. I remember someone saying that you can almost CC all of Fox's moves until you're 25% into a grab.
Are there any more specifics?
I've also heard from Linguini that if you know they're about to approach with their lasers, you can just full jump Dair them -> combos.
For edgeguards, I see mostly Bairs.
CC works really well against Fox until you're 25%, I think. I remember someone saying that you can almost CC all of Fox's moves until you're 25% into a grab.
Are there any more specifics?
lordvaati
Smash Master
today, ganon became one of my secondaries, and all i need to say is:
Unholy Spike is fun.
Unholy Spike is fun.
KIngGerudo
Smash Lord
Ganondorf demands being your main.
Linguini
Smash Master
Sorry I havnt been able to answer questions in the thread.im traveling europe atm so i havnt touched a comp. until today since genesis.
Kage I watched the matches vs m2k, you def.gotta grab that edge more,once shes on the stage you can grab her and dthrow to **** or just waveland onto edge/edgehop to bair.
I wouldnt agree to no cging either,as sheik still has her ridiculous tilts comboes on you and your stripped of the great equalizer. Last time I played m2ks sheik i was beating him, with cging.
In losers I barely lost to topes sheik,****, he counterpicked ,me 3rd match to kongo jungle; I feel like the stage beat me and not him.I had never played on that stage before in my life and those dumb edges made meh suicide twice.
Ill get him back next time with that stage banned.
Heres some matches new from genesis
Linguini vs Lovage(fox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFkZhjqLzU
Linguini vs Iori(mewtwo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8GQmTeHzbc
I think theres a tourney set of me vs romeo on youtube i cant find i tho.
BTW to all the ganons out there, peach ganon is a ****in amazing team, def my favorite.
Me and xelic got 5th at genesis with it; the general strat was to let him dsmash them and I hit them back in. Rinse and repeat LOL.
Kage I watched the matches vs m2k, you def.gotta grab that edge more,once shes on the stage you can grab her and dthrow to **** or just waveland onto edge/edgehop to bair.
I wouldnt agree to no cging either,as sheik still has her ridiculous tilts comboes on you and your stripped of the great equalizer. Last time I played m2ks sheik i was beating him, with cging.
In losers I barely lost to topes sheik,****, he counterpicked ,me 3rd match to kongo jungle; I feel like the stage beat me and not him.I had never played on that stage before in my life and those dumb edges made meh suicide twice.
Ill get him back next time with that stage banned.
Heres some matches new from genesis
Linguini vs Lovage(fox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFkZhjqLzU
Linguini vs Iori(mewtwo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8GQmTeHzbc
I think theres a tourney set of me vs romeo on youtube i cant find i tho.
BTW to all the ganons out there, peach ganon is a ****in amazing team, def my favorite.
Me and xelic got 5th at genesis with it; the general strat was to let him dsmash them and I hit them back in. Rinse and repeat LOL.