Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i wish my tech skill with ganondorf was good. it should be, seeing as who i learned from.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Didn't you learn everything from renth? But just keep practicing ian! you're still probably more technical than I am.

 

[Renth]

i wish my tech skill with ganondorf was good. it should be, seeing as who i learned from.

This is what I tell everyone, pay attention newer ganon players this should help you out in the long run.

Go to dream land. Ganons first jump at the peak of the jump is the same height of the lower platforms So if you jump once you reach that peak hold straight right/left and then hit R/L for perfect wavelands.

Ganons double jump also applies this to the top platform, repeat until you get the feeling and can see the animation clearly. Then start wavelanding off the top onto the lower ones then down to the ledges. Takes less practice than you think you'll be flying everywhere in no time.

Eventually, you'll get use to the animation and process that you'll be sliding all over every platform on every stage with ease.


Edit: Spider_Sense and I tournament set was recorded a long with matches with Harriet The Guy, and others.. Unfortunately the uploader didn't upload these videos after 2 weeks of their last upload so I don't expect them to go up anytime soon or if at all

 

[dERO!]

Tbh, I'm practicing atm, but I can't seem to get it right using the c-stick, I keep doing a bair 1time out of 5.

Now I remember why I learned how to ledgedash using a fastfall, 4years ago.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Honestly, it doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you don't mess up.

Like I said, I drop with the c-stick, then jump with the control stick. I believe it's a lot more common to drop with the control stick and jump with X/Y, but everyone has to find what way works best for them.

 

[dERO!]

Yeah, well I just checked, actually I both let go and jump with the stick, mess up 1 out of 10 times, i'll just keep doing it like that, probably.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFtGQRm1bTg that video is pretty good too.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

I am most comfortable using the control stick actually. I just barely tap it away from the stage, then immediately flick it toward the stage while pressing Y/X and then I press R/L when I'm at the peak of my jump. Didn't you say you do that, Renth?

But listen to raph, whatever feels the most comfortable to you is the best way to do it.

Also, thanks sveet
Looking forward to playing you guys again AND going to your tournament. Dunno if you saw this, but ripple is coming up and he's bringing dart with him!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Didn't you learn everything from renth? But just keep practicing ian! you're still probably more technical than I am.

dude, i practiced tech skill for over 3 years lol

the thought of practicing tech skill bores me to shreds now. xD

 

[Divinokage]

To me it feels better to practice your tech skills while there is an opponent trying to stop you, in this way you'll know for sure if what you did was stupid or good. And eventually, you'll know what to use depending on where he is on-stage or off-stage from the ledge.

 

[Renth]

To me it feels better to practice your tech skills while there is an opponent trying to stop you, in this way you'll know for sure if what you did was stupid or good. And eventually, you'll know what to use depending on where he is on-stage or off-stage from the ledge.

There's one bad habit I can't break in tournament matches, when I'm on the ledge and the opponent is standing there. I know I can waveland onto the stage consistently, up air onto the stage consistently, but whenever in tournament when I try. I end up just jumping from the ledge it becomes predictable and I get punished hard for it. It pisses me off that I will jump from the ledge then go back to the ledge 3 times in a row because It's not what I'm meaning to do.

 

[Gliffie]

Thanks for all the links. I'll make sure to check 'em all out

 

[Divinokage]

There's one bad habit I can't break in tournament matches, when I'm on the ledge and the opponent is standing there. I know I can waveland onto the stage consistently, up air onto the stage consistently, but whenever in tournament when I try. I end up just jumping from the ledge it becomes predictable and I get punished hard for it. It pisses me off that I will jump from the ledge then go back to the ledge 3 times in a row because It's not what I'm meaning to do.

How come does that happen? I've realized in tournament play normally you'll generally fall back to old habits because you get nervous.. just like when you feel pressured or you are getting hit then all you can do is go back to what you've learned to do. That's why it's important to have a strong backbone so even in fear you'll be able to stay relaxed because you'll know what to do.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

To me it feels better to practice your tech skills while there is an opponent trying to stop you, in this way you'll know for sure if what you did was stupid or good. And eventually, you'll know what to use depending on where he is on-stage or off-stage from the ledge.

this. i only practice against people nowadays.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, i only play against people now, but i probably should have the singular drive that i used to have. i find myself using the wrong timings on stages sometimes (doing dreamland wavedashes on battlefield will get you hurt, badly) simply because i don't practice alone like i used to. most things are just muscle memory, but it's important to learn them in battle, but also to make sure that you don't forget how to do these things.

 

[dERO!]

Yeah I think I get it, when I stop playing I was able to do tricks that I can't do anymore, but my muscles still wanna do it in matches, it hurts.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

When the Project M patch comes out, you guys should practice with the AI. I'm fairly certain it'll be better than I am. Or at least, I know I'll lose to it a few times. Perfect tech skill + inhuman reflexes = win?

 

[Bl@ckChris]

as sneak reminded me, it'll be REALLY hard to code in for it to follow DI. so idk how well it'll combo. with that being said, watching th PM peach was kinda tight. once it knows how to dsmash, it'll be a force. i'd team with it.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

You + AI Peach v Jim + Stingers

I'm honestly not sure who would win.

 

[Renth]

As far as practicing goes for the past year or two the only time I play is at tournaments the rare times friends want to play with me. I just get the rust off quickly with friends. I don't own a controller or anything anymore

 

[dERO!]

Are you quitting smash then ? Why ?

 

[G. Vice]

So I'm going to a tournament this weekend with some pretty big names. Dart, IHSB, Iori, Nite, and Jace are a few of them. Me and IHSB will be teaming, so I'm sure we'll have some matches recorded and I'll be sure to share the love.

Ya'll wish me luck. I think I'm the only Ganon player that's gonna be there.

 

[Strong Badam]

alright zane i guess im not big

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I don't know anything about you, but DK's pretty big. That should count for something.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

So I'm going to a tournament this weekend with some pretty big names. Dart, IHSB, Iori, Nite, and Jace are a few of them. Me and IHSB will be teaming, so I'm sure we'll have some matches recorded and I'll be sure to share the love.

Ya'll wish me luck. I think I'm the only Ganon player that's gonna be there.

Ripple told me that he and dart were going to a tournament I was going to this weekend. Maybe it's the same one? Hosted by Sveet? Unless that ******* Ripple changed his plans on me (I hope you're reading this, Blake)...

Either way, good luck! Make sure to upload some vids. And if I do see you there, I'm gonna keep annoying you until you play some friendlies with me

 

[Ripple]

Dart said he wanted to go to the tournament in wherever strong bad is. everyone else in peoria wants to go to smashing grounds.

since, I don't have a teammate for the not chicago one, then I'd most likely go to chicago. its all up to dart, but if he hasn't told SB he isn't coming then, he isn't going to chicago with us

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Excited to play you again dude! That practice payed off... Except for getting four stocked by trail the troll, that was super weak. Oh well haha major nervous johns and trails pretty damn good.

I digress... it'll be good to see you and your crew.

EDIT: and change your damn avatar

 

[Renth]

Are you quitting smash then ? Why ?

I've quit smash 2,000 times. The game isn't quittable.

I come out of the darkness every once in awhile

 

[Linguini]

haven't posted about ganon in ages but i've been playing almost all falco/fox lately.

In tournament I just use whatever character I feel comfortable with now. I feel like that's more effective at a top level....I have been playing some of the jolly ol' dorf and it took me like 1 match to get unrusty lol

I'm still down to give advice though because I want to see ganon players bodying these tier whoore @ss *****s!

ask away!

My serious smash phase is long past though. I attend only florida tournaments and whatever ones I may randomly be near on trips. the game is great so I just play it for fun now

nothing better than reverse uair to suicide stomp on last stocks

 

[-ACE-]

nothing better than reverse uair to suicide stomp on last stocks

OMFG I've been saying this for years. Maybe now that you said it it will become more mainstream. ACE guard son! reverse uair to dropzone dair on falco kills (dair hits before his up-B takes flight) On Fox you can do it if you have more stocks, but you have to reverse uair, dropzone dair, then dj dair him again lol. Ultimate disrespect.

had to edit, typo "uair" instead of dair.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

edgecancel dair, immediate dair, double jump dair

 

[Geenareeno]

I wonder if you could Edge cancel Dair and then fast fall an upair to hit someone before they started falling. Like bowser because he goes through more hitlag with you. Except I don't think you can move/edgecancel during hitlag so it's not possible.

 

[Superspright]

I've done dair (edgecanceled) to uair, fair, and bair. Nair is also possible (but ********). There are weird properties to edge-canceling. Sometimes you can edge-cancel and kinda float there for a second, other times you clip it and you get sucked toward the edge almost. FF anything pretty much makes it impossible or it has to be frame perfect for at least uair--fair and bair aren't possible. I prefer to do dair to charged usmash. The extra 10 charge up frames can mean a kill if it's a nice **** hit. I always wanted to do dair to utilt though. It is a real combo, and I've had the setup before, [hit the dair and flubbed on reading it right] but it's probably very hard to get competitively. I imagine it's an instakill though.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Linguini! just the man I needed to talk to. Recently, I've been having a lot of trouble with the marth and falco matchups (especially marth), even though those are arguably ganons best high tier matchups. Lol I know. Anyway, you seem to be pretty beast at those, esp falco. Any tips? how to beat their approaches, laser evasion, etc.

My serious smash phase is long past though. I attend only florida tournaments and whatever ones I may randomly be near on trips.

Bummer. If you ever reconsider, come to FC! You can stay at my place the night before and smash with kage, eikelmann, sveet, trail, kels, the rest of chicago and myself.

 

[-ACE-]

Turtle lets hear about those marth problems.

Falco too. But I can help you more vs marth

 

[PseudoTurtle]

See for yourself lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-exj-C5NAE

p.s. the warlock punch was because ripple was countering me on my throws all day and I hoped to get him at it haha, it wasn't a serious move.

Anyway, I get juggled a lot, baited a lot, grabbed a lot, comboed a lot, killed a lot, and everything a lot

Spidey gave me some good advice, and that match was actually from a while ago (aka it's not exactly flattering)

Maybe I could work on: how to approach and how to beat marth's approaches for starters. Thanks, ACE. And whoever else decides to contribute.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

See if you can get something more recent. I know at our level, 1 month can make a pretty big difference.

 

[-ACE-]

my ****ing internet is so bad in this house they put me up in in jersey i can't even load youtube videos. ****ing sucks.

I'll say one thing about the reverse uair to dropzone dair... it's way, way more practical than that sexy edge cancel ****... and it's also just as sexy.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

@joe

stop using down b so much

and try to get better at using the marth-killer shield thing on the ledge if you're going to use it at all.

 

[Divinokage]

my ****ing internet is so bad in this house they put me up in in jersey i can't even load youtube videos. ****ing sucks.

I'll say one thing about the reverse uair to dropzone dair... it's way, way more practical than that sexy edge cancel ****... and it's also just as sexy.

Uair to Bair is what I normally use vs Falcon, it's too faceroll. lol.

 

[-ACE-]

Uair to Bair is what I normally use vs Falcon, it's too faceroll. lol.

Awesome vs falcon but situational... I learned that from renth like 6 years ago. reverse uair to dropzone dair on falco is legit... vs fox too if you have more stocks