Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[KirbyKaze]

My set with Linguini at Pound 5 was basically this:

Game 1 - I tried to treat him like Kage, RockCrock, etc. But Linguini never threw out any moves. He just kept sitting in shield and attacking OOS or shield grabbing whenever I did... stuff. So I lost by like 1-stock. Stage was Yoshi's Story.

Game 2 - I needle camp him on FD. Easy 2-stock because Ganon literally cannot do anything about it.

Game 3 - I needle camp him on Pokemon. Easy 3-stock because Ganon literally cannot do anything about it.



edit:

I was playing super awful in that pool, though, so I probably could have lost if he had picked Battlefield or FoD (or something). Basically anywhere where needle camping is less effective and doesn't beat Ganon for free.

 

[Linguini]

so whos the tech happy ganonof 2011?

LOL tommay where you been son?! I was in ny during june...next time I head up there we gotta kick it.

KK you have a good memory haha I don't remember any details from that set. Ganon can get around needle camping so you're wrong about that, but I understand why you would think that from prior experience. I didn't really adapt to your camping at that time like I should have.

basically we gotta run that back and play again at the next big tourney when we're both not playing shatty.

 

[Divinokage]

It's ok KK is washed up now, you've got this.

 

[KirbyKaze]

@Kage

Yeah I know it sucks.

@Linguini

I'm not sure how needle camping can be worked around by Ganon but I'm down to play so sure whenever we're at the same tourney let's do it.

I don't really use them much vs Kage 'cuz I can just toss my moves at his moves and then I'll combo to grab but that doesn't (didn't?) work so much vs you 'cuz you just block (or wait) and generally use faster moves (you use way more up air than any other Ganon and it's really good).

 

[choknater]

norcal is looking forward to a young link vs ganondorf grand finals this weekend

pray for us that it happens.

 

[Divinokage]

Spamming moves > Being smart imo. <3

 

[Renth]

so whos the tech happy ganonof 2011?

I'll pick up a a capture card and show you what I've been workin with.

However, that person is still probably Jason (Spider Sense)

 

[choknater]

Spamming moves > Being smart imo. <3

thanks for the tip. i'm ready to throw bombs at ganon.

 

[G. Vice]

Tech happy I'd say most def spider sense. That guy is technical with ganon. He does alot of unnecessary tech skill, just for flash, that doesn't hurt him.

Also Renth, I'm curious to see what you've come up with. Especially if you're able to implement application with them particularly.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Spamming moves > Being smart imo. <3

You have to do both though :O

 

[Divinokage]

But I am!! I promise! =(

 

[KirbyKaze]

Just Nair weon-x more and I'll believe you <3

 

[PEEF!]

KK teach me how to needle camp ganon!!!!

I could use free wins vs that guy.

 

[KirbyKaze]

It's pretty self-explanatory. You just charge and throw needles so he jumps, moves towards you, blocks, or commits in some other way. Then you punish accordingly.

Only works on big levels because otherwise he can get in your face too quickly and there won't be any ground behind you (which you need for move-back spacing to prepare your counterattacks and punishes).

It's really easy. It's probably not as good as I'm making it sound but honestly the trick to it is to do it less than you think you need to. Her projectile is not for damage at all. Its only purpose is to bait some kind of action that Sheik has an obvious counter for.

 

[Divinokage]

Ya that's basically SF 4 tactics right there. Kinda like Akuma.

But ya I noticed in SF 4, my main weakness IS dealing with fireballs and grabs. I always get grabbed and I always notice it 1 second too late so I fail to tech. lol. It's the same in smash and im not exactly sure what to do. =( It's something I can't really react to. And the fireballs.. well, it's like laser, what the hell do you do to approach properly.. Even if someone explains I still don't get it. lol.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

yeah, eikelmann and qlex are definitely under the radar ganon players, and they're pretty damn good

<333 Thank you. I loved our dittos! Please come to the east coast for a tournament.

In time my son, you will conquer.

I'm moving to Orlando soon, so I'll be playing every week and hopefully I'll become the player I wish to be.

 

[ThatsPM]

Hey guys, not really into competitive play (well I still haven't been in any), but I've been learning some advanced techniques. I learned shffl, wavedash and dash dance rather easily, but there's some techniques I just can't do, like wavedashing back to stage, most chain grabs, some edge guarding stuff , etc.

I looked a bit for some guides around here, but most seem lost/deleted. I watched some videos on youtube (none were ganon only), and combo videos (but it's too fast to understand anything).

Can anyone help me out?

 

[LoOshKiN]

Chaingrabbing is well and fully explained here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=85582

And I recommend watching Triforce of Power.

 

[Geenareeno]

Wavedashing on stage is hella hard. The way I do it is move the stick away from the stage just slightly off the centre. Like 1/8 of an inch and then slam it towards. Practice doing it without the wavedash. Go to temple since it has a ledge you can **** up on and not die. Chaingrabing is also extremely hard. It requires a lot of techskill and hard reads. You probably won't be able to do it on reaction.

 

[Renth]

Wavedashing on stage is hella hard.

......

 

[-ACE-]

......

lol ^^^^

 

[G. Vice]

Guys, I dunno about you but I can certainly remember when I first started playing Ganon, and that was something that took a little while to perfect.

It's easy now, even to do them into pivot jabs at this point, but still I can understand where they're coming from.

 

[Renth]

Guys, I dunno about you but I can certainly remember when I first started playing Ganon, and that was something that took a little while to perfect.

It's easy now, even to do them into pivot jabs at this point, but still I can understand where they're coming from.

we're just clowning around zane


edit: I'm teaming with Eikelman at Apex.

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

good luck guys. go get'em!!

 

[VGmasta]

Wavedashing on stage is hella hard. Go to temple since it has a ledge you can **** up on and not die.

That's a smart idea. I goin' to Hyrule Temple the next time I decide to practice wavelands from the ledge.

......

Of course those are easy for YOU to do.

 

[Plairnkk]

You lose to Plank, no johns. =) You CAN'T grab Kirbykaze! KK improved even more since RoM 3 and Pound 5, he almost beat M2k! I'm just not at his level anymore.

ill get you next time!!! fuuuuu


kk is **** now

 

[KirbyKaze]

Plank just stop jumping on platforms so much lol

And combo aerial > grab a lot

Aerial needles count as an aerial





When I first started the main thing I absolutely wanted to be good at was WD. In all its forms. OOS, out of dash, varying its lengths... I thought WD was so cool.

In hindsight that was a very good decision lololol.

 

[spider_sense]

Where are these random *** n!ggaz coming from? lol

 

[Linguini]

Yeah all these outsiders need to get the **** out lol....especially these sheik players

ganons mains only n!gga!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

lol @ especially. that good sheik main hate.

 

[-ACE-]

I should have played KK at pound. Playing amsah, if only once, was pretty sick though lol

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I went to Europe for two weeks back in 2009. Played with Amash for a majority of it. He made a man out of my Ganon.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I should have played KK at pound. Playing amsah, if only once, was pretty sick though lol

What your facebook? I wanna stalk you. PM me it.

 

[G. Vice]

I just made a stunning connection that Eikelmann is Cash Mooney.

This sheds a whole new light on his posts lol

 

[ThatsPM]

Wavedashing on stage is hella hard. The way I do it is move the stick away from the stage just slightly off the centre. Like 1/8 of an inch and then slam it towards. Practice doing it without the wavedash. Go to temple since it has a ledge you can **** up on and not die. Chaingrabing is also extremely hard. It requires a lot of techskill and hard reads. You probably won't be able to do it on reaction.

Very helpful info, thank you! I can do the edge jump back on stage almost consistently (going to keep on practicing lol). I tried adding the wavelanding but to no avail, I just shield... (I don't see much time/space to waveland either...).

As for the chaingrabs, the guide LoOshKiN provided is pretty good, and I'll get some help from the sticky as well..!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I just made a stunning connection that Eikelmann is Cash Mooney.

This sheds a whole new light on his posts lol

Well, gosh. I figured everyone knew this was my account by now...

 

[spider_sense]

Well, gosh. I figured everyone knew this was my account by now...

lol Ian = too good. Always wanting to play me in G-dorf dittos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5hQI4OkzmQ&feature=related

=P

 

[Geenareeno]

Wow Eikelmann you **** *****es up. For some reason I thought you were from Quebec. Also holy **** your dittos. Best Ganon dittos ever. You guys have amazing techskill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5mBd2sCwE

 

[Renth]

Wow Eikelmann you **** *****es up. For some reason I thought you were from Quebec. Also holy **** your dittos. Best Ganon dittos ever. You guys have amazing techskill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5mBd2sCwE

I think I can post some better ganon dittos than those.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5dMAAMAhN4 Me Vs. RockCrock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHIltgrUZ8&feature=related Me Vs. Linguini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKGWd5sz0Uo me vs. RockCrock again.

These matches are quite old

 

[spider_sense]

I think I can post some better ganon dittos than those.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5dMAAMAhN4 Me Vs. RockCrock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHIltgrUZ8&feature=related Me Vs. Linguini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKGWd5sz0Uo me vs. RockCrock again.

These matches are quite old

Still murk this kid at the end of the day.