How is Captain Falcon the worst character?

[.CMW.]

He's fast....at running. I believe he does have quicker attacks but fast? By no means.

The knee. It's good. It's not nearly one of the best Fairs out there, but d@mn it sure is fun to watch.

Kill moves. Yes, but so does almost every other character. Woohoo?

He can recover. PFF! His ^B is pathetic at best.

His priority. Not flat zero but d@mn close.

His hitboxes. >B is so obvious and so easily dodged. Don't even go there.

You are right his range and his aerials are terrible.

I have learned about him. I used to play him in SSBM and tried him in SSBB. I used to **** with him. Now he is terrible. Nuff said.

Falcon does have bad match ups way more than every other character. (Except those as terrible as he is)

You may have learned to beat Snake with Falcon but, who was the snake player(s)?

I don't agree with tier lists but they were right when putting Falcon that low.

No human is all knowing yes. But I think a bunch of pros on a game can wrap their minds about who is the best and worst on said game.

I am not all knowing about Falcon but no one is. So....yea.

Maybe the Falcon players I play are just terrible but I doubt they all are.

No priority, no hitstun, no range. You have just named 3 main things that are desirable in making a top character.

*This was all in response to roager's post BTW*

.CMW.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

yes falcon has kill moves, but other than Uair many of the others are easy to avoid and stop. also Bair edgeguarding is nice for KOing too.

CF is faster running wise, but he doesn't hit all that fast with alot of moves. so if you can't beat someone to the punch then your not gonna hit through cause of lacking priority.

Edit: i also don't belive hes flat out crap, cause thats how brawl is, but hes not so great. poor CF.

 

[Roager]

To CMW:
"He's fast....at running. I believe he does have quicker attacks but fast? By no means."
He's fast at running, and has quicker attacks, but he's not fast. Good logic, that is.

"The knee. It's good. It's not nearly one of the best Fairs out there, but d@mn it sure is fun to watch."
I never said it was the best fair out there. I said it could kill, and that it didn't suck. You aren't even countering anything I said.

"Kill moves. Yes, but so does almost every other character. Woohoo?"
I said that because there have been countless posts, all across smashboards, in which people claimed he has no killers. I proved them wrong.

"He can recover. PFF! His ^B is pathetic at best. "
Like I said, it's short, but maneuverable. Learn to read. Also, just because you play ROB doesn't mean all other recoveries are bad.

"His priority. Not flat zero but d@mn close. "
I explained this. Learn to read.

"His hitboxes. >B is so obvious and so easily dodged. Don't even go there. "
Easily dodged? Not so much. Like I said, it hits a bigger area than you'd have dared to dream. It is possible to dodge it, I am aware. Don't bother saying so.

"You are right his range and his aerials are terrible."
No. They are an issue, and a big one, but considering that Falcon actually has some speed in the air (nair/uair) and power (the other *airs) he isn't always getting *****.

"I have learned about him. I used to play him in SSBM and tried him in SSBB. I used to **** with him. Now he is terrible. Nuff said."
I suppose I should qualify my old statement. "Learn about Falcon" meant "Learn about Brawl Falcon" The fact that you were good with Melee Falcon means nothing. In fact, it hurts your credibility, in my mind, because Falcon CANNOT be played the same in melee and Brawl.

"Falcon does have bad match ups way more than every other character. (Except those as terrible as he is)"
Once again, I must say bull****.

"You may have learned to beat Snake with Falcon but, who was the snake player(s)?"
One of my best friends, who doesn't go on smashboards because he has far less patience than I do.

"I don't agree with tier lists but they were right when putting Falcon that low. "
Once again, great logic. "Tier lists are wrong, but not really"

"No human is all knowing yes. But I think a bunch of pros on a game can wrap their minds about who is the best and worst on said game."
Says the guy who just simultaneously condemned and praised tier lists. Right.

"I am not all knowing about Falcon but no one is. So....yea."
Don't bother saying this. All you did was repeat what I said. Back to me, who said it. I know what i said, as do the people reading.

"Maybe the Falcon players I play are just terrible but I doubt they all are. "
I didn't say the Falcon(s) you beat was terrible. Learn to read.

"No priority, no hitstun, no range. You have just named 3 main things that are desirable in making a top character. "
No **** people want priority hitstun and range. But I didn't say that "No priority, no hitstun, no range" apply to falcon. Just that I didn't want anyone to say them AGAIN, considering that it's been done TOO MANY ****ING TIMES. Learn to read.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

@Roager
if your getting emotional calm down. if your words are just looking that way then lol.

idk who post everywhere falcon can't kill, but i know he can kill way faster than Sheik, Squirtle, JP......... the problem is landing them killers.

 

[Roager]

@Roager
if your getting emotional calm down. if your words are just looking that way then lol.

idk who post everywhere falcon can't kill, but i know he can kill way faster than Sheik, Squirtle, JP......... the problem is landing them killers.

Meh, I just need to emphasize things, cuz some people don't really get it otherwise.

 

[.CMW.]

To CMW:
"He's fast....at running. I believe he does have quicker attacks but fast? By no means."
He's fast at running, and has quicker attacks, but he's not fast. Good logic, that is.

"The knee. It's good. It's not nearly one of the best Fairs out there, but d@mn it sure is fun to watch."
I never said it was the best fair out there. I said it could kill, and that it didn't suck. You aren't even countering anything I said.

"Kill moves. Yes, but so does almost every other character. Woohoo?"
I said that because there have been countless posts, all across smashboards, in which people claimed he has no killers. I proved them wrong.

"He can recover. PFF! His ^B is pathetic at best. "
Like I said, it's short, but maneuverable. Learn to read. Also, just because you play ROB doesn't mean all other recoveries are bad.

"His priority. Not flat zero but d@mn close. "
I explained this. Learn to read.

"His hitboxes. >B is so obvious and so easily dodged. Don't even go there. "
Easily dodged? Not so much. Like I said, it hits a bigger area than you'd have dared to dream. It is possible to dodge it, I am aware. Don't bother saying so.

"You are right his range and his aerials are terrible."
No. They are an issue, and a big one, but considering that Falcon actually has some speed in the air (nair/uair) and power (the other *airs) he isn't always getting *****.

"I have learned about him. I used to play him in SSBM and tried him in SSBB. I used to **** with him. Now he is terrible. Nuff said."
I suppose I should qualify my old statement. "Learn about Falcon" meant "Learn about Brawl Falcon" The fact that you were good with Melee Falcon means nothing. In fact, it hurts your credibility, in my mind, because Falcon CANNOT be played the same in melee and Brawl.

"Falcon does have bad match ups way more than every other character. (Except those as terrible as he is)"
Once again, I must say bull****.

"You may have learned to beat Snake with Falcon but, who was the snake player(s)?"
One of my best friends, who doesn't go on smashboards because he has far less patience than I do.

"I don't agree with tier lists but they were right when putting Falcon that low. "
Once again, great logic. "Tier lists are wrong, but not really"

"No human is all knowing yes. But I think a bunch of pros on a game can wrap their minds about who is the best and worst on said game."
Says the guy who just simultaneously condemned and praised tier lists. Right.

"I am not all knowing about Falcon but no one is. So....yea."
Don't bother saying this. All you did was repeat what I said. Back to me, who said it. I know what i said, as do the people reading.

"Maybe the Falcon players I play are just terrible but I doubt they all are. "
I didn't say the Falcon(s) you beat was terrible. Learn to read.

"No priority, no hitstun, no range. You have just named 3 main things that are desirable in making a top character. "
No **** people want priority hitstun and range. But I didn't say that "No priority, no hitstun, no range" apply to falcon. Just that I didn't want anyone to say them AGAIN, considering that it's been done TOO MANY ****ING TIMES. Learn to read.

LOL.

Attack me much? I try to make a few of my opinions and all I see are sentences chocked full of "LEARN TO READ" and "****"

I can read. I've been told I read very well. If you have a problem with me it would probably be comprehension. Which I can also do, very well.

I said he was fast and running and had SOME quick attacks. A fast character would have ALL or MOST quick attacks. I didn't contradict myself.

I didn't counter the knee comment because I agreed with it and then I added my own little note about how I felt about it. Duh?

It is now well established that CF has killing moves.

You yourself say his recovery is short. Nuff said.

No you didn't really explain his priority. You gave one example. One. It's the loneliest number. Haven't you heard?

His >B is obvious and dodge able. Don't try and defend it.

His range and aerials are a problem. A big one. Doesn't that make them bad?

I also said I tried him in Brawl. Rather extensively to be honest with you.

It is well established that CF has bad match ups.

Your friend's Snake? So that makes you ready to beat all the Snakes out there? Or just one? Hmm...

I don't agree with tier lists but the placement of CF is one of few exceptions to this disagreement.

I condemn tier lists, okay? I generally hate them. Only a few minor things make me see some sort of light at the end of the tier tunnel.

The fact that no one is all knowing about CF is well established.

The CF's I play are all decent to extremely competent players. What does that say about the fact that I **** their Falcons, even the ones who main them?

Oh btw, No hitstun and no range and no priority DO apply to CF. You are only tired of hearing this because you have no way to persuade the audience otherwise.

*Next time you reply to someone telling them to "Learn to read", listen to your own advice first. You put your own little twist on everything I said. For that I say to you...."Learn to read"*

.CMW.

 

[kakx]

I have to say, Captain Falcon is pretty bad.

He has so much delay while attacking in the air. Also no more nipple strike(smash).

 

[Roager]

"Attack me much? I try to make a few of my opinions and all I see are sentences chocked full of "LEARN TO READ" and "****"
I can read. I've been told I read very well. If you have a problem with me it would probably be comprehension. Which I can also do, very well."
I disagree. Especially considering you seem to miss the point of many things that I say. Either that, or you just ignore it. Hardly an improvement. Also, don't say my sentences were chock full of ****, cuz i only swore twice.

"I said he was fast and running and had SOME quick attacks. A fast character would have ALL or MOST quick attacks. I didn't contradict myself. "
A fast character is simply that: fast. And considering that he runs and attacks fast, I would call him a fast character. Besides, by your definition, only Sonic and Spacies qualify as a fast characters.

"I didn't counter the knee comment because I agreed with it and then I added my own little note about how I felt about it. Duh?"
I am fully aware of what you did, and that is why I flat out stated what you did.

"It is now well established that CF has killing moves. "
Apparently not, as I still see people condemn him as a poor killer. Just because you and I both understand that he kills doesn't mean everyone does.

"You yourself say his recovery is short. Nuff said."
Not enough said. Short and long are not everything. It is well established that DDD, even with a long recovery, can be said to have a worse recovery than, for instance, ROB, because ROB has far more control over his.

"No you didn't really explain his priority. You gave one example. One. It's the loneliest number. Haven't you heard?"
Firstly, "Explanation" and "Examples" aren't the same. Secondly, I don't recall you giving any examples. If you did, I don't remember them.

"His >B is obvious and dodge able. Don't try and defend it. "
Now you're just repeating yourself. I'm not gonna bother talking about it. I'll just hear the same two words again.

"His range and aerials are a problem. A big one. Doesn't that make them bad?"
I wouldn't say so, considering I win as Falcon, and I play an Aerial Falcon.

"I also said I tried him in Brawl. Rather extensively to be honest with you."
"Try" and "Extensive" aren't exactly the most compatible of words.

"It is well established that CF has bad match ups. "
It is also well established that (insert any other character) has bad matchups.

"Your friend's Snake? So that makes you ready to beat all the Snakes out there? Or just one? Hmm..."
He is not the only Snake I have beaten. He is the only Snake I personally know. I have won over wi-fi as well. I have not beaten all snakes out there. And I never will. Even if i played against all of them. Some snakes out there are better than me. And better than you. So what?

"I don't agree with tier lists but the placement of CF is one of few exceptions to this disagreement.

I condemn tier lists, okay? I generally hate them. Only a few minor things make me see some sort of light at the end of the tier tunnel. "
There's nothing I can say to this that I haven't already said.

"The fact that no one is all knowing about CF is well established."
I am aware.

"The CF's I play are all decent to extremely competent players. What does that say about the fact that I **** their Falcons, even the ones who main them?"
Does that make you ready to go beat all the CF's out there?
More to the point, I actually said earlier that if you consistently **** a Falcon, then you are better than that player. It is well established that you **** those worse than yourself. Good for you, but not important.

"Oh btw, No hitstun and no range and no priority DO apply to CF. You are only tired of hearing this because you have no way to persuade the audience otherwise. "
To be fair, a person could form their own personal beliefs, and never be convinced otherwise. There are die-hard atheists out there who can't be persuaded to admit to the possibility of the existence of a god. And the extreme other side of it. Me having no way to persuade certain people of Falcon not being **** doesn't really serve as evidence to anything.

"*Next time you reply to someone telling them to "Learn to read", listen to your own advice first. You put your own little twist on everything I said. For that I say to you...."Learn to read"*"
Right, cuz you haven't tried to spin ANYTHING I've said.

Also, I'm not really sure what spin has to do with the ability to read...

 

[Mmac]

Yoshi, too, doesn't have a good recovery either..if you hit him in his double jump when he isn't invincible, he's dead b/c he can't jump anymore.

Yoshi? Pshhhh you could see that a mile away. Stomp= solution

Maybe you guys should stop playing CPU's and play someone who actually know what the hell they're doing

 

[Roager]

Maybe you guys should stop playing CPU's and play someone who actually know what the hell they're doing

To be fair, They aren't entirely wrong. Yoshi's recovery has a pretty severe flaw: If you manage to make them waste that jump or not let them land, it's done. Yoshi is dead. But you're right, it's far easier said than done.

 

[.CMW.]

"Attack me much? I try to make a few of my opinions and all I see are sentences chocked full of "LEARN TO READ" and "****"
I can read. I've been told I read very well. If you have a problem with me it would probably be comprehension. Which I can also do, very well."
I disagree. Especially considering you seem to miss the point of many things that I say. Either that, or you just ignore it. Hardly an improvement. Also, don't say my sentences were chock full of ****, cuz i only swore twice.

"I said he was fast and running and had SOME quick attacks. A fast character would have ALL or MOST quick attacks. I didn't contradict myself. "
A fast character is simply that: fast. And considering that he runs and attacks fast, I would call him a fast character. Besides, by your definition, only Sonic qualifies as a fast character.

"I didn't counter the knee comment because I agreed with it and then I added my own little note about how I felt about it. Duh?"
I am fully aware of what you did, and that is why I flat out stated what you did.

"It is now well established that CF has killing moves. "
Apparently not, as I still see people condemn him as a poor killer. Just because you and I both understand that he kills doesn't mean everyone does.

"You yourself say his recovery is short. Nuff said."
Not enough said. Short and long are not everything. It is well established that DDD, even with a long recovery, can be said to have a worse recovery than, for instance, ROB, because ROB has far more control over his.

"No you didn't really explain his priority. You gave one example. One. It's the loneliest number. Haven't you heard?"
Firstly, "Explanation" and "Examples" aren't the same. Secondly, I don't recall you giving any examples. If you did, I don't remember them.

"His >B is obvious and dodge able. Don't try and defend it. "
Now you're just repeating yourself. I'm not gonna bother talking about it. I'll just hear the same two words again.

"His range and aerials are a problem. A big one. Doesn't that make them bad?"
I wouldn't say so, considering I win as Falcon, and I play an Aerial Falcon.

"I also said I tried him in Brawl. Rather extensively to be honest with you."
"Try" and "Extensive" aren't exactly the most compatible of words.

"It is well established that CF has bad match ups. "
It is also well established that (insert any other character) has bad matchups.

"Your friend's Snake? So that makes you ready to beat all the Snakes out there? Or just one? Hmm..."
He is not the only Snake I have beaten. He is the only Snake I personally know. I have won over wi-fi as well. I have not beaten all snakes out there. And I never will. Even if i played against all of them. Some snakes out there are better than me. And better than you. So what?

"I don't agree with tier lists but the placement of CF is one of few exceptions to this disagreement.

I condemn tier lists, okay? I generally hate them. Only a few minor things make me see some sort of light at the end of the tier tunnel. "
There's nothing I can say to this that I haven't already said.

"The fact that no one is all knowing about CF is well established."
I am aware.

"The CF's I play are all decent to extremely competent players. What does that say about the fact that I **** their Falcons, even the ones who main them?"
Does that make you ready to go beat all the CF's out there?
More to the point, I actually said earlier that if you consistently **** a Falcon, then you are better than that player. It is well established that you **** those worse than yourself. Good for you, but not important.

"Oh btw, No hitstun and no range and no priority DO apply to CF. You are only tired of hearing this because you have no way to persuade the audience otherwise. "
To be fair, a person could form their own personal beliefs, and never be convinced otherwise. There are die-hard atheists out there who can't be persuaded to admit to the possibility of the existence of a god. And the extreme other side of it. Me having no way to persuade certain people of Falcon not being **** doesn't really serve as evidence to anything.

"*Next time you reply to someone telling them to "Learn to read", listen to your own advice first. You put your own little twist on everything I said. For that I say to you...."Learn to read"*"
Right, cuz you haven't tried to spin ANYTHING I've said.

Also, I'm not really sure what spin has to do with the ability to read...

Oh not only Sonic, Meta Knight has fast movement and fast moves, to give you an example.

Nothing else needs to be said about the knee.

I am not "people out there" I am a person right here, and I do believe your last few posts were directed at me.

Whats the use of having maneuverability when the recovery is to short to even come close to the ledge? I see your point, I really do, its just you can't sugar coat CF's recovery. It's terrible.

Nothing more to say about his priority or his >B really. You think they are good, I do not. No need to continue that part of the conversation.....

Why play an aerial Falcon if you have said that his aerials are a problem?

Although "try" is normally thought to have a meaning of a short or limited amount of time, it can mean otherwise. I love CF and I played him A LOT when Brawl came out until practically yesterday.

For that insert thing you posted I have an insert for you: Meta Knight. Check out the thread with all the compiled match ups. Not one bad one.

Okay it was unfair to say that about the Snake things, there will always be better.

Nothing more needs to be said about my feelings on the subject of tier lists.

Same goes with the "no one is all knowing, blah blah blah"

And I do believe that readies me to beat all or most of the CF's out there because I have a vast understanding of what CF is capable of.

Yes people can form their own beliefs, and it appears as if you have done exactly that about CF.

I may have twisted your words to be kinder or more on topic, but I only have done so because most of your replies seem more like a personal attack because you disagree with me than real information.

.CMW.

 

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

I am sick of people saying Captain Falcon is bad.

HE IS NOT BAD...

just everyone else in Brawl happens to be better than him.

 

[Roager]

"Oh not only Sonic, Meta Knight has fast movement and fast moves, to give you an example. "
I changed that, but still, I say that it's a much too restrictive definition of fast.

"I am not "people out there" I am a person right here, and I do believe your last few posts were directed at me."
To a degree, yes, since I am responding to you, but I don't mean this as a personal attack, since you aren't the only one who thinks these things.

"Whats the use of having maneuverability when the recovery is to short to even come close to the ledge? I see your point, I really do, its just you can't sugar coat CF's recovery. It's terrible."
The point of maneuverability, like I said earlier, was to avoid certain edgeguards, or to not get stuck under stage lips.

"Why play an aerial Falcon if you have said that his aerials are a problem?"
Because I play Brawl aerially, no matter who I'm using.

"Although "try" is normally thought to have a meaning of a short or limited amount of time, it can mean otherwise. I love CF and I played him A LOT when Brawl came out until practically yesterday. "
Perhaps, but the fact that you played Falcon in Melee interferes a bit. I played Marth in Melee, and it interferes with how well I play as him in Brawl.

"For that insert thing you posted I have an insert for you: Meta Knight. Check out the thread with all the compiled match ups. Not one bad one. "
If this is the thread I think it is, it isn't done. But I don't really know, and I'd rather keep other threads out of this. But, from what I know, I'd say MK's bad matchups are MK, DK, and (if played smart) Ike. (Yes, I am well aware that Ike is far slower than MK, but his range and super armor help a lot.

"And I do believe that readies me to beat all or most of the CF's out there because I have a vast understanding of what CF is capable of. "
Like you said, there will always be better. I used to main snake, and I'd like to think that I have quite the understanding of what he is capable of, but, as has been established, I'm not, nor will I ever be, better than all of them.

"Yes people can form their own beliefs, and it appears as if you have done exactly that about CF. "
As have you. But like I said, that's not evidence for anything.

"I may have twisted your words to be kinder or more on topic, but I only have done so because most of your replies seem more like a personal attack because you disagree with me than real information."
Right, because misrepresenting my use of words like **** makes me look kinder and more on topic.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Reason why Falcon is the worst character in the game:

Has THE WORST moveset.

In the words of Teh_Spammerer "Every other character in the game has at least ONE good attack."

The closest Falcon comes to having good attacks is U-air, which is pretty telegraphed and isn't all that easily comboed into. B-air, which has trouble hitting small characters on the ground. U-tilt, which is blockable on reaction. Falcon kick, which kinda sucks on block.

Also his recovery is pretty gimpable, which doesn't help things at all.

As for low tier characters, Yoshi has a pretty good chaingrab on a few characters and his B-air is annoying as hell. Ganondorf has a pretty **** good moveset that is hindered by a lack of reliable methods around camping and a gimplable recovery. Sonic is a billion times better at punishing lag than Falcon.

 

[Roager]

Reason why Falcon is the worst character in the game:

Has THE WORST moveset.

In the words of Teh_Spammerer "Every other character in the game has at least ONE good attack"

The closest Falcon comes to having good attacks is U-air, which is pretty telegraphed and isn't all that easily comboed into. B-air, which has trouble hitting small characters on the ground. U-tilt, which is blockable on reaction. Falcon kick, which kinda sucks on block.

Also his recovery is pretty gimpable, which doesn't help things at all.

U-air is actually very easy to lead into, considering how wide an area it actually hits. B-air is lethal, if used as an edgeguard. It'll often either get an opponent stuck under a lip, or under the stage entirely. (duh, it cant hit small characters on the ground, but it's not supposed to.) U-tilt may be blockable, but that doesn't mean its a bad move. I mean, look at Ike F-smash. far easier to shield, but still a good move. And Falcon Kick... Well, i don't really like it very much. so whatever.

And his recovery is far less gimpable than it used to be. It often grabs the opponent out of their attack, or, in some cases, CF will use it again, and grab them that time.

 

[.CMW.]

Well this conversation is getting nowhere.

-You believe that CF is underrated, misunderstood, and such. So you feel like he is being wrongfully treated, much like the kid who gets picked last in gym.

-I believe that the majority of the Smash population has hit the CF nail right on the head, deeming him worthless and just plain one of the worst characters.

Neither one of us will budge nor will we somehow disprove each other, Thus making this conversation useless unless some new material is brought forth.

It's nice to hear that even the lower characters have die hard fans.

.CMW.

 

[Roager]

That might've been abusive, with the whole picked last in gym comment, but I really don't care anymore. It's almost midnight, so I'm gonna go sleep. Bye.

 

[Hylian]

Walls of text are not going to help Falcon become a better character.


Just sayin'

 

[Wogrim]

I'd like to say that was a pain to read through. I had a lot of thoughts reading through that argument but I'm not going to look back through and try to address them all.

People know that his moves kill, but the problem is generally that if you look like you're trying to land a kill move (Smashes, Knee, UTilt) you're very easy to read, which can make it look like Falcon is terrible at killing. BAir kills great but is a bit situational to land on the sweetspot, and UAir has a great hitbox but doesn't work well if your opponent is on the ground and you have to be ready to follow up on the expected airdodge. Killing is more when you see an opportunity, rather than when you want to.

If you really look at Falcon's aerials, they're not really that bad. All of them are GREAT at something. BAir kills well, Knee kills better but has a bit of a range and landing lag problem, DAir kills even better than BAir but also has a bit of a range problem, UAir still kills and has a very good hitbox, and NAir leads to the almighty Jab.
Knee and NAir don't hold up well against other moves (range for Knee, priority for NAir) but UAir still covers that area in front of you so it can fill in for them in several situations. The only real problem with Falcon's aerials are their nondisjointed hitboxes; if you and your opponent attack at the same time, you will always get hit and they may or may not get hit, which pretty much means your opponent will come out ahead if they have an aerial that can hit you (UAir's range and speed is very difficult for most characters to match).

I don't think anyone who hasn't been maining Brawl Falcon for months or hasn't played against (offline, many games) such a person really knows enough about Falcon's moves to say how good or bad he is. People say side-B(Raptor Boost) and Falcon Kick are easy to punish (bad approaches) but great Falcon's rarely use them to approach; people say he has terrible recovery and then get spiked by Raptor Boost; people say he has no kill moves yet die to DSmash by 100% and get gimp killed by gimp Knee and UAir within 50%; people say he has no combos but havn't felt gimp Knee to Knee, DAir to Knee, NAir to Jabs to Grab, or DSmash double hit (some say Falcon has a lot of combos but they don't know him well enough to know what's escapable).

People say a lot of things but not very many people know Falcon that well. Yes he is probably not the best (we don't know everything, so it's still possible that some obscure combo to Falcon Punch or something like that comes up), but there are very few people if any that know enough about him and all the other characters to call him the worst.

As far as I'm concerned Ganon is worse (if not the worst) because he's so slow, which makes pretty much every problem Falcon has worse and kills his offstage ability. When whoever was listing terrible recoveries, why wasn't Ganon's on the list? His uppercut definately does not make it better than Falcon's and it is perhaps worse because of it; Falcon's has much better maneuverabilty and horizontal recovery because we don't go into that stupid freefall.

 

[Psychoace]

Thank you wogrim.

 

[UzakiuzuG]

Maybe you guys should stop playing CPU's and play someone who actually know what the hell they're doing

Sonic my good friend. You know it's true. Yoshi is so predictable before he gets his attacks out. We will just have to brawl it out =). Prove me wrong

 

[Zeallyx]

Sonic is a billion times better at punishing lag than Falcon
^
Oh wait, if you are half decent at sweetspotting with the knee, captain falcon punishes lag better than sonic.
not saying captain falcon is better than sonic, as one step into becoming a good falcon player IMO is realising he's (one of) the worst character(s)

Edit: one more thing I like to add is, that ganondorf is worse than falcon IMO. As the tier list is based of the highest level of play, so 'the best falcon' VS 'the best ganon' is the match we're looking at. 'the best falcon' sure knows how to dodge and mindgame (so does the ganon player, but ganondorf IS slower) so in theory the ganon can't even touch the falcon. This is far fetched offcourse, and if ganon lands a good smash on you it hits hard, but falcon is faster and speed may not be everything, but I think in this situation it puts falcon above ganondorf.

 

[peeeetah]

wogrims got some good points. people look at his moves like they can throw them out at any time. that's simply not true with falcon. you gotta play the bait and punish game a lot. bait the other player into attacking, and use falcon's speed to space yourself so that you can counter. either that, or shield the attack and use your jabs to set up a combo.

you have to play falcon very patiently, and wait for your opponent to offer up an opening. and then you use your speed and pounce on him.

on a side note, RARing uair is pretty useful. kinda like melee ganon's reverse uair how it hits them at a downwards angle.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Wow, you guys are trying soooo hard for the worst character in the game. "hes not bad guys really!!!!!!" Fine. He's not bad. He's just worse than all other characters in the game.

 

[Pearl Floatzel]

The problems with Falcon: Shorter Range. 0 Priority. Shallow Metagame.

He has ridiculously short range. Anything that stretches remotely from another character is able to hit the good Captain. His leg length is shorter. This is a huge problem. Sonic is doomed to be at most mid tier because of terrible range.
Priority: Everyone knows his priority sucks now. You can't even debate that. Anything will go through Falcon's moves. This is very bad coupled with his range.
Metagame: Let's face it, guys. Captain Falcon's metagame is simple. There are characters with potential, like Ness, who have hugely developed metagames, but no one plays them. Captain Falcon is extremely straightforward. Mindgames are basic, combos are basic, everything has been reduced to the basics.

He's too shallow. And anything beats his attacks.

That's why Captain Falcon is, if not the worst, then is one of the worst characters in the game.

 

[epic of DE]

*shrug*

What does it really matter to people that use other mains whether we discuss our thoughts on falcon? Yeah, he is pretty aweful in brawl but I can't really say that I care if he's good or not. Whenever I go to a brawl tournie I go falcon just because I like using falcon and I get a personal enjoyment whenever I beat them first round and they then have to either become incredibly campy or using characters like MK to counter pick me.

So what if he's bad? What's your john when you lose to a falcon?

 

[Kitamerby]

I call character johns when my opponent uses Captain Falcon.

 

[Amide]

captin flacon is aweome
hes not the best but i can think of so many worse and better people

yoshi
jiggly
ness
dedede
diddy

DeDeDe >__> This is why people make fun of Falcon mains lol.

 

[Master Knight DH]

Brawl hasn't been well balanced to begin with. That's why Falcon gets the short end of the deal. Want to know something?

Raptor Boost cancels out with Ivysaur's Razor Leaf with no damage to CF. Okay, then, let's use Falcon Kick when the grass Pokemon tries to smack you with it. Want to guess what happens now? Take a wild guess.

Do I break through and gut Ivysaur with the kick?

NO! THE PROJECTILE STOPS ME THE SAME WAY IT STOPPED ME WHEN I WAS USING RAPTOR BOOST!

WH-okay, the priority physics were clearly not tested. A frickin' weak projectile stops CF altogether.

I hope a future SSB DOES get made and balancing is better done there. *coughpitsarrowscough*

 

[JigglyZelda003]

is this thread still going? shouldn't it like stop now? and lol @ Kitamerby

 

[UzakiuzuG]

>_>; wtf is a John? Couldn't they call it ashame or something. Thats what it means don't it. Im ashamed I lost to Falcon?

 

[chewyy]

lol, go back to your cave.
IMO, falcon isn't the worst character, people are just biased because Falcon got hardcore nerfed....

[edit] : but he's definently near the bottom.

 

[Mith_]

Wow, you guys are trying soooo hard for the worst character in the game. "hes not bad guys really!!!!!!" Fine. He's not bad. He's just worse than all other characters in the game.

QFT.

C.Falcon is NOT a bad character, by no means. But compared to every other character, he DOES come out on the bottom.

I do enjoy playing as C.Falcon, I love his amazing speed and manliness, but he's just mediocre. All we can do is deal with it.

 

[Hizkit]

Because Falcon is so up his own arse that he was fixed to sandbag and deny his losses for the rest of eternity.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

i have taken Falcon to tournaments, he's really bad, not as bad as one would think because the ridiculous combo's we know are escapable are possible at tournies. Nobody really knows Falcon, but they do know he has crap priority, which triggers them to treat falcon like a sandbag.......................................

believe me guys brawl doesn't go very far into the competitive scene, I thought it would be obvious by now to people (really tripping in a fighting game?? sounds a little scrub-friendly).

^^^Ayaz being optimistic, as usual.......

 

[UzakiuzuG]

We all know Falcon is at a huge disadvantage but so was jimmie johnson in Nascar last year and what happend? He won the cup. Listen it's still early in the game. The brawl community didn't figure out wavedashing l cancel all this good stuff till later in the ball game. We have to stay positive we can't just to expect the game to suck. Never know falcon might come out of the blue with some crazy stuff. We just have to wait and experiment. ( Whoever says Nascar takes NO skills can suck big ones..) Oh too the guy who told me go back in my cave no. It's time to evolve =) My opinion and point is don't shoot someone down just because how it starts off. EXCEPT YOSHI, lost cause I think.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

but how can Falcon come up with amazing stuff if no ones working on him? or those that are are so small compared to many of the other better characters?

 

[MasterCheeze]

The only terrible-beyond-belief priority I ever notice is Falcon's Rapetor Boost, Keeyick, and Pawnch. I would take note of some bad priority in his other moves, but for a good amount of the time they get the job done or are equal to other moves (maybe not a few smashes though; they usually get owned). If you get that lil' stalemate thing between moves, shouldn't Falcon be able to to come back with another lightning fast move? HE IS A DEADLY COMBINATION OF GUN AND LIGHTNING!

I can see people might think Falcon sucks, but that's only if they're a little B-Button Happy. Just use his speed and edge-guarding!

Edit: Meh, I guess I gave Falcon a bit too much credit on his priority. There must be something that can be done to save the man! As proud as he is, we must all help him in his time of need.

 

[UzakiuzuG]

but how can Falcon come up with amazing stuff if no ones working on him? or those that are are so small compared to many of the other better characters?

Yeah true, thats why some are trying to do something about it. =I Idk though we will see.

 

[UzakiuzuG]

The only terrible-beyond-belief priority I ever notice is Falcon's Rapetor Boost, Keeyick, and Pawnch. I would take note of some bad priority in his other moves, but for a good amount of the time they get the job done or are equal to other moves (maybe not a few smashes though; they usually get owned). If you get that lil' stalemate thing between moves, shouldn't Falcon be able to to come back with another lightning fast move? HE IS A DEADLY COMBINATION OF GUN AND LIGHTNING!

I can see people might think Falcon sucks, but that's only if they're a little B-Button Happy. Just use his speed and edge-guarding!

Edit: Meh, I guess I gave Falcon a bit too much credit on his priority. There must be something that can be done to save the man! As proud as he is, we must all help him in his time of need.

Some good stuff join the Falcon.