How Fast Is Melee? Vid (version 2.0 extra sexy)

[Acryte]

Version 2.0 uploadin, looks way nicer and all the stuff people might ***** about other than it says **** were changed. It's more gimpy-esque.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8

I think this new vid system would be awesome for tutorial vids. like it could say for example press (A) and under the A from the 1st possible frame to the last possible frame it has a loading bar go from 0->100% based off of frame windows... that way they can visually see how tight all the frame windows are for things. It would be a pretty cool idea I'd say.


also these are the button images I made:
http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/Acryte/?action=view&current=buttons4.png
I'll upload the individual photos in a zip in the morning, I'm super tired.

 

[Melomaniacal]

You're making the terrible mistake of assuming that other fighting game communities value tech skill nearly as much as we do.

 

[hubble]

legit editing

good video

You're making the terrible mistake of assuming that other fighting game communities value tech skill nearly as much as we do.

mvc2?

 

[Mike G]

You're making the terrible mistake of assuming that other fighting game communities value tech skill nearly as much as we do.

This.


I don't see this ending out very well but ok


lol @ new school melee community?

 

[Acryte]

This.


I don't see this ending out very well but ok


lol @ new school melee community?

idk a lot of people decide what they think about a game even though they have little exposure to it, someone might look at it and decide that because of the way it looks it isn't competitive at all and/or has little required skill.

If anything DI is something that a lot of fighting games could benefit from and I think makes melee seriously stand out. It means even standard combos require reads, not just I hit with attack X now I know I can chain it all the way to the end of this combo (aside from eating a burst in guilty gear which are limited),

the idea is that if you show someone a video of someone goin nuts in a game they don't know, they still don't see much goin on so, yea. This isn't necessarily like beggin to convert someone, wasn't really like "Melee is soooo cool! look at what we can do you should come and play" its more pointing out that melee is an advanced fighter vs people ignorant of its gameplay and intricacies.

 

[JOS.fm]

If you want to appeal to another community, you shouldn't make yourself seem elitist. I think an entertaining and dissected combo video or match could make that statement, kinda like yours. Problem is, there's just so much to cram into a video or post before people get bored.

 

[LLDL]

I think the video is perfect, but shouldn't have added anything after "How technical is your fighter?"

 

[Life]

this vid is legit.

 

[Mike G]

its more pointing out that melee is an advanced fighter vs people ignorant of its gameplay and intricacies.

OK but even with a vid that demonstrates high level play with very impressive tech skill, it still isn't that easy to convey that message to someone who hasn't really seen the game played competitively.


What I mean is, they can't actually tell exactly what is going on because they don't even understand the game mechanics to begin with. Sure, the're most likely going to be impressed from watching the vid(without the apparent elitist text lol) but I think best way to give them the message is to have them witness high level play for themselves at tournaments that include melee.

At least, that's what I think anyway.


Still, I like the vid and good luck.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

If somebody were trying to convince me that a game is good and the first point they make is that said game requires a bunch of tech skill, I probably wouldn't be listening to that person for much longer.

I view heavy tech-skill requirements as a bad thing, as I consider the ability to quickly and precisely press buttons to be a boring and uninteresting skill. My understanding, which could be false as I don't venture into other gaming communities often, is that this viewpoint is more common elsewhere, so I don't think this video could accomplish much.

If I wanted to convince somebody that Melee was good, I would probably talk about character motion, stage control, DI, the edge game, etc., i.e. the reasons why Melee is actually an excellent game.

 

[Mooo]

I wanna make one of these right now.

 

[Kason Birdman]

awesome video.
good job man.

 

[t3h Icy]

When you look at how much and how pathetically Melee and Brawl take stabs at each other, it's kind of hard to take the community seriously.

 

[FoxLisk]

this is terrible. it should have had absolutely none of the text and only the input diagramming.

1) It's elitist.
2) Smash doesn't ask that of anyone, either, since a simple waveshine -> dsmash would have sufficed; dark was showing off
3) that was an inescapable combo. the edgeguard might have been escapable, but doing so would have just lead to a different edgeguard because CF sucks. so the point about set combos is nullified.
4) What Fly said.

 

[Shoopman]

I was unaware that melee had such a legion of haters that this vid became necessary.

 

[Seikend]

I was unaware that melee had such a legion of haters that this vid became necessary.

This.

10this

 

[Melomaniacal]

I was unaware that melee had such a legion of haters that this vid became necessary.

Have you ever been to SRK?

 

[Seikend]

Have you ever been to SRK?

People on an entirely different site to us don't like the same game?

Waaaah.

They're not coming here or spamming youtube comments with their opinion. They're not going out of their way to hate on Melee. The only time anything happens is when our smashers go over to their site and try to defend the community.

We have to go out of our way to get hated. I mean, come on. That's hardly hating.

 

[Acryte]

this is terrible. it should have had absolutely none of the text and only the input diagramming.

1) It's elitist.
2) Smash doesn't ask that of anyone, either, since a simple waveshine -> dsmash would have sufficed; dark was showing off
3) that was an inescapable combo. the edgeguard might have been escapable, but doing so would have just lead to a different edgeguard because CF sucks. so the point about set combos is nullified.
4) What Fly said.

1) so, don't take it so seriously
2) correct, and the game allows him to do so (dsmash risks walltech options as well I might add, bair is better alternative).
3) Talkin about the game in general. In most fighting games there is no such thing as DI and in melee there are a some combos that DI won't affect but largely, they are all DI influenced. Wasn't trying to make lots of different clips in it, it was long enough and took all day to make.
4) True, but I look at video games differently than simply lets say, a board game or a turn based strategy game. It's not quite all theory it also has a performance requirement so a game that has the right balance between the two is more fun in my book. Good players like mango, axe, armada whatever else, any top player can do anything with their chars as zhu said you have to be able to do anything that comes to mind in the moment. It's also a bit more impressive when you know how difficult or risky some of the things people pulled off are. Just sayin.

but yea its melee, there are many things that make it different from others. Edgeguarding, DI, etc. stage control makes more zoning than other games and there is no "corner" aspect from the typical standpoint its more back to the edge type of thing but even certain players who are gimp happy can turn that to their advantage by baiting others so its not always a bad place to be. Wasn't really making that long of a vid, turned out longer than I thought it would be anyways.

 

[Melomaniacal]

People on an entirely different site to us don't like the same game?

Waaaah.

They're not coming here or spamming youtube comments with their opinion. They're not going out of their way to hate on Melee. The only time anything happens is when our smashers go over to their site and try to defend the community.

We have to go out of our way to get hated. I mean, come on. That's hardly hating.

If it was as light as "they don't like our game," it wouldn't be an issue to anyone. They hate Smash, and they hate the community.

It doesn't matter that they aren't constantly trashing us, it's the fact that that's how they view us.

For the record, I'm pretty neutral on the subject. I don't really care about them hating us or our game. However, I will ask: is it such a bad thing to want and strive for the respect we deserve amongst the rest of the competitive (fighting) game communities? I mean, every other fighting game is essentially part of the same community. We are excluded. Whether we make it better or worse by doing this kind of thing is another question, but I don't see a problem with demanding some respect.

 

[The Tycon]

uh... why'd you post it on smashboards?
WE don't hate smash, you know.

 

[Zodiac]

jeeze guys, quit being ****s , he's only trying to show the tech side of melee, besides we all know the only way for someone to actually know how deep melee is is to actually play it.

And its not elitist...

Person 1 "I have tech skill"
Person 2 "elitist ****!"

that makes no sense. I think the elitist ones are you guys who are telling him how much he sucks for making this video

uh... why'd you post it on SMASHboards?
WE don't hate smash, you know.

Uh I dont know..maybe because it has to with SMASH brothers.

 

[Pi]

it's generally a bad way to go about changing someones opinion by challenging the worth/merit of their beliefs

i like the idea of the video, and its construction for the most part, but i think you should remove the parts that make it come across as 'better than your fighter' ish

even though i firmly believe melee is the best competitive fighter out there, you can't give off that aura and expect it to be received openly

 

[Seikend]

Google>Define:Elitist>Realise you have no idea what elitist means

 

[Acryte]

you can't please everyone, but I might make a 2nd version that isn't arrogant for those who'd like, also I was thinkin about revising it anyways with button symbols instead of text for the directions and buttons kinda like in other fighting games in training mode where it shows inputs. That was my original idea but I didnt feel like photoshoppin the images, whichever, I'll probably do that, would make it more visually appealing as far as you can see the buttons being pressed since most the time its too fast to read

 

[Geist]

I really, really, really, like the breakdowns of the combo, and how it's slowed down and then played at max speed.

jeeze guys, quit being ****s , he's only trying to show the tech side of melee, besides we all know the only way for someone to actually know how deep melee is is to actually play it.

And its not elitist...

Well taking a value that you emphasize more than someone else does, then proceeding to insist that it makes you superior would be elitist.
Especially when said value isn't absolutely required to the extent that it's claimed to be.

I still liked the video, and I really like the idea of making another one without the text and more visuals to it.

 

[Seikend]

you can't please everyone, but I might make a 2nd version that isn't arrogant for those who'd like, also I was thinkin about revising it anyways with button symbols instead of text for the directions and buttons kinda like in other fighting games in training mode where it shows inputs. That was my original idea but I didnt feel like photoshoppin the images, whichever, I'll probably do that, would make it more visually appealing as far as you can see the buttons being pressed since most the time its too fast to read

I think the video was good, but yeah, the text could do with an edit.

You're putting a lot of work into this video, and while I don't really agree with the goal of the video, I've got respect for you for going out of your way to make it and improve it.

The slow mo with the inputs was really well done, shine sounds amazing in slow mo. Just me?

 

[Geist]

I agree.
I also love Falcon's slow-mo OOOOOOOoooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHH

 

[Pogogo]

I view heavy tech-skill requirements as a bad thing, as I consider the ability to quickly and precisely press buttons to be a boring and uninteresting skill. .

Then why u play ics. I dun get it.

 

[Bones0]

If you want to convince people Melee is deep, make a newer version of this with more recent videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbQ-gpOMB0

 

[Roneblaster]

great vid.

its fine, ignore the haters. the only melee talk that you hear from SRK ppl are flames toward melee, unless its some1 who actually plays melee.

and when dealing with elitist pricks, what better way to show your more elite than they are but cold hard facts?

 

[Stratford]

If you want to convince people Melee is deep, make a newer version of this with more recent videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbQ-gpOMB0

First clip of this makes me lol every time.

 

[The Star King]

I like how us Melee players are super mad about the Smash hate on SRK, and go out of way to tell them why one shouldn't hate on people for liking a game, and then turn around the next second and start hating on Brawl. A touch of irony.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Then why u play ics. I dun get it.

That I view tech-skill as uninteresting does not mean I won't put in the work to become technically proficient.

 

[Mike G]

I like how us Melee players are super mad about the Smash hate on SRK, and go out of way to tell them why one shouldn't hate on people for liking a game, and then turn around the next second and start hating on Brawl. A touch of irony.

Yeah. I got a good laugh out of that too lol

 

[1048576]

I like how us Melee players are super mad about the Smash hate on SRK, and go out of way to tell them why one shouldn't hate on people for liking a game, and then turn around the next second and start hating on Brawl. A touch of irony.

The idea is that brawl actually is shallow and contains little tech skill.

 

[Acryte]

uugh oh. Please refrain from age old brawl/melee arguments nothing new will come out of it.

but for the record, I don't hate brawl I just can't enjoy playing it. It's cool, and there is a definite audience that appreciates it for what it is (not what others want it to be), personally everytime I have it in I wish I was playing melee or something else. To each his own. Brawl has lots of individual character tricks, etc

same with SRK, tbh I love SF and guilty gear, mvc2 is cool I'm just not that great at it etc .I just love melee above everything else, it used to be SF was my fav, then smash, then guilty gear was my fav but I slowly transitioned back over to enjoying smash over the rest and tbh, smash is life.

 

[TP]

You should not have had the word "****" in it. If this video is for people who aren't into smash, it's for the 99.99% of people who don't consider **** a good thing or an acceptable term.

 

[Deleted member]

the video sucked. you took throwaway players doing throwaway combos and advertised something that only new melee players care about: mashing buttons in a coordinated manner. I'd add something more constructive but mike and fly already said anything that needs to be said.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

i liked it