How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Chef Fox]

@Technical_Chase
If you use the L Button to shield and you don't use the R button at all, try switching R to Jump. You can hold the controller normally but it feels weird at first, and short hopping is more difficult. Another method someone mentioned was setting a control pad direction to Jump, probably Up for the closest button to the control stick. Or set that direction to special so you can jump with X and laser with Up. You don't need to hold the GC controller any differently with these setups, but the shoulder button method requires you to use one button to shield if you don't already.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

@Technical_Chase
If you use the L Button to shield and you don't use the R button at all, try switching R to Jump. You can hold the controller normally but it feels weird at first, and short hopping is more difficult. Another method someone mentioned was setting a control pad direction to Jump, probably Up for the closest button to the control stick. Or set that direction to special so you can jump with X and laser with Up. You don't need to hold the GC controller any differently with these setups, but the shoulder button method requires you to use one button to shield if you don't already.

I use R for attack for easy BDacus methods with my . I tried using R for Jump but it makes it so much harder to consistently short hop.

And then I tried the D-Pad method and set the side buttons to Jump...works great. I can do it in succession after a good 30 minutes of practice lol Right after I posted I read up the FAQ and saw the D-Pad method so I tried it and it works great for me Thank you for your detailed response however. And now..time to learn the other stuff lol

 

[Conviction]

Tap Jump SHTL always been easiest for me.

 

[Chef Fox]

I use R for attack for easy BDacus methods with my . I tried using R for Jump but it makes it so much harder to consistently short hop.

And then I tried the D-Pad method and set the side buttons to Jump...works great. I can do it in succession after a good 30 minutes of practice lol Right after I posted I read up the FAQ and saw the D-Pad method so I tried it and it works great for me Thank you for your detailed response however. And now..time to learn the other stuff lol

No problem.

I think I've discovered a new Fox glitch/technique, but I'm not sure if any one else has posted about it (there doesn't seem to be a video). When Fox is swimming and then he jumps out of the water, he can use Shine very quickly to go back underwater as if he had been meteor smashed but did not die off the bottom blast line. He then swims back to the surface normally. It only works on stages with water, obviously, and the only stage that fits that description in the Unity Ruleset is Delfino Plaza. I guess it can be used as a fast method to avoid being hit in water, but other than that it is useless... Has this been discovered? By the way I call it the Shine Dive

 

[Player-3]

well i just claw it, thumb on b index on the top button above a, i dont even know which one that is,

but you can change one of the shoulder buttons or Z to jump for SHTL if you want to be a wimp


tap jump is also easy

 

[knuckles213]

@Technical_Chase
If you use the L Button to shield and you don't use the R button at all, try switching R to Jump. You can hold the controller normally but it feels weird at first, and short hopping is more difficult. Another method someone mentioned was setting a control pad direction to Jump, probably Up for the closest button to the control stick. Or set that direction to special so you can jump with X and laser with Up. You don't need to hold the GC controller any differently with these setups, but the shoulder button method requires you to use one button to shield if you don't already.

how do you stagger your lasers cause I have a bit of trouble doing that

 

[Chef Fox]

What do you mean by "stagger" the lasers?

 

[knuckles213]

What do you mean by "stagger" the lasers?

it's not triple lasering, it's a SHDL with one laser on top and one after it on bottom in a parallel postion

example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF_XQMau23I

0:00 to 0:12

 

[Chef Fox]

No that's definitely SHTL in the example you showed. If you want to do a perfect SHDL, which is what I think you mean, then you have to time the lasers so that the first one comes out at the peak of your short hop and the second one comes out at the very last second and is silent.

 

[knuckles213]

No that's definitely SHTL in the example you showed. If you want to do a perfect SHDL, which is what I think you mean, then you have to time the lasers so that the first one comes out at the peak of your short hop and the second one comes out at the very last second and is silent.

what control scheme would be easy to use to perfect this?

 

[Chef Fox]

It's very possible to do a perfect SHDL with a normal control scheme, the problem is doing it repetitively with such great consistency. SHTL is actually easier to do because the timing is much easier, just press the B button as soon as you jump. SHDL will almost always be sloppy and imperfect if you spam it like NAKAT was doing with SHTL.
Perfect SHDL is not something you need to be able to do, it is just more convenient if you are facing a small character like Meta Knight that only gets hit by a silent laser or standing laser when they are standing still on the ground. But if this is the scenario, just use a perfect single laser (which is one laser per short hop but the laser is silent and at standing laser height). The timing is easier and your mobility is increased.

 

[Orion*]

tap jump is also easy

you can't buffer them successively or di as easily though.

*****s need to just learn to use y/b not that hard just practice >_>

 

[Player-3]

you can't buffer them successively or di as easily though.

*****s need to just learn to use y/b not that hard just practice >_>

this man is truth

 

[Chef Fox]

*****s need to just learn to use y/b not that hard just practice >_>

But I never used the L button, at all, EVER. It was even easier to make use of a new button rather than press the old buttons a different way.

 

[Orion*]

But I never used the L button, at all, EVER. It was even easier to make use of a new button rather than press the old buttons a different way.

you're not pushing old buttons a different way... it's just harder to do.

don't get me wrong im pro changing controls if there's a legitimate reason.

I have x grab, z attack, l jump and no tap jump and i probably have gone through a controller settings change every 6 months if not more since brawl came out.

however i do it for very specific reasons and only if i feel like something would be unusable or unviable without doing so. (I.E. L as jump is my answer to not wanting to claw but still wanting full horizontal control when juggling/dair camping as metaknight).

however foxs triple lasers are more of a matter of just putting in some time rather than people not having the right controls, i see way to many people complaining that ish is hard that main fox when i see so many people that don't play the character able to do that ish consistently from a little hard work.

 

[crifer]

however foxs triple lasers are more of a matter of just putting in some time rather than people not having the right controls, i see way to many people complaining that ish is hard that main fox when i see so many people that don't play the character able to do that ish consistently from a little hard work.

true.
I´m not that good at techskill but I can do it consistently... it´s just a matter of muscle memory.

 

[fox67890]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that sometimes uair>(opponent airdodges)>bair might be a possible frametrap. I haven't test it, but it seemed to have worked for me in a couple of matches. Doing a RAR uair doesn't sound that bad for this...

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a actually a frametrap?

Also, if someone could perhaps answer the following, that would be very helpful.

About running off the stage and jumping back on with lasering so that it hits enemies with low crouches (like Kirby and Snake), how is that done? I think I heard someone call this technique "rain lasering", but I'm not sure.

Anyway, is it just as simple as running off and then double jumping and lasering back on to stage with the correct timing? I was just wondering if there's any B reversals or something like that involved.

TKD does it around 1:34 in this video.

 

[C.R.Z]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that sometimes uair>(opponent airdodges)>bair might be a possible frametrap. I haven't test it, but it seemed to have worked for me in a couple of matches. Doing a RAR uair doesn't sound that bad for this...

Has anyone else noticed this? Is this a actually a frametrap?

Also, if someone could perhaps answer the following, that would be very helpful.

yep its a frame trap, i use it all the time.

 

[Kuares]

As far as SHTL goes, I actually took time to learn and all it is is buffering a jump. I think I was watching a vid of Karamity and he never started SHTL, either a single or a double, after that though it was perfect.

Upair->Bair being a frametrap seems pretty sound, I mean, the frame data supports it so why not. I'll try it out next time I play.

Rain Lasering is just as simple as it looks, run off the stage(+Fastfall)->jump->Laser. There's enough time to input the left/right direction, let go and press B that you won't kill yourself either by falling below the stage shooting lasers or illusioning before you even get to the ledge. Just something to practice.

 

[M@v]

My controls are as follows:

Upad=jump. Makes shtls when not b reversing a breeze.

R=Attack. Initially had this to make auto-cancelled fairs easier, but I'm liking Y button better now. I may just keep it since I've gotten used to it for rising fairs, I dunno. I never use R to shield, so there's no reason not to. At the same time, if I set R back to special, I can standardize my controls for everyone(see below).

With Falco and everyone else, I have R set to special, and that's it. I never use R in this control setup except for Falco, and I use the R button to IAP, and to make cancelling IAPs easier.

 

[DUB]

Like Iblis said, it's easiest for me using tap jump. However I have Y set to Special. If you are doing the tap jump method, as long as you press up and Y at the same time and buffer the rest it's not too hard. Also easy to RAR SHTL's like this.

 

[Kuro~]

Ya i never realized you had to buffer the jump. After i figured that out SHTL is super easy lol. I also use Up on the d-pad for standard SHTL. And when i'm doing a run-away b-reverse SHTL i use y to jump and x as special.

 

[knuckles213]

someone do a video dedicated to SHTL

 

[Conviction]

TKD already has...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIObkVZ3oA

 

[C.R.Z]

Ya i never realized you had to buffer the jump. After i figured that out SHTL is super easy lol. I also use Up on the d-pad for standard SHTL. And when i'm doing a run-away b-reverse SHTL i use y to jump and x as special.

buffer the jump? you buffer the lazer not the jump O_O

 

[Kuro~]

o.0

All i know is once i started buffering the jump i no longer messed up

/whatever

as long as it works idc lol

 

[knuckles213]

you guys are right setting jump to up d-pad. I can finally do triple lasers without switching too many control.

 

[Kuro~]

Gooood lol

 

[DUB]

F-air is the for catching people landing on platforms. Catches landing lag and can come up safely for huge damage. Putting them right back in the same situation.

Not experienced at all with Fox vs. Oli. General tips? How effective is laser game in the MU? Oli is generally bad against grabs because they put in him in terrible positions. I don't know much else except cross-over nairs are really effective if you can get in.

 

[*CT*]

With the little exp I have in the Oli vs Fox MU, I'd say lasers aren't that great. Most of the pikmin take the shots for Oli and the lasers don't kill off pikmin, iirc.

I wouldn't really approach him at low percents for obvious reasons; maybe that's when you could attempt using some sort of laser game. (I think most of my tips are obvious)

u-tilt or shine to get pikmin off

iirc oli's upsmash beats Fox's dair

 

[Conviction]

We beat his Usmash with Dair if we have a hitbox out when we collide with the pikmin.

 

[Kuro~]

Olimar mu is essentially a read and/or reaction to get inside. And then punishing oli as much as possible b4 he resets to neutral.

Jab is great.
Nair is great.
Dair is great.
SHAC upair(after getting him in the air) is great.
Reflector is great for pikmin killing/reflecting.
Lasers are alright.
Dair-->dsmash>dair to anything else past 100. Dsmash is a great gimp move against oli.
Don't touch his shield at kill %. Upsmash comes out faster than we can do anything unfortunately. So unless they're reaction time is off even FF nair is punishable

 

[Talon]

Any in depth tips on how to get inside of Marth's insane range. His sword hurts and I would like him to stop petting me with it.

 

[Kuro~]

Honestly foxes dash shield and SHFF. But other than that just camp and then worry about getting inside once he's on you. No point in going to him on his terms.

I mean, not much else to it. You just have to abuse foxes natural traits. Great crossovers and dash speed and dash shield.

 

[fox67890]

Upair->Bair being a frametrap seems pretty sound, I mean, the frame data supports it so why not. I'll try it out next time I play.

Rain Lasering is just as simple as it looks, run off the stage(+Fastfall)->jump->Laser. There's enough time to input the left/right direction, let go and press B that you won't kill yourself either by falling below the stage shooting lasers or illusioning before you even get to the ledge. Just something to practice.

When I tried it in play, it seems to work very well if you fast fall the bair.

I think I'm going to practice rain lasering now. Thanks for the help~

 

[Chef Fox]

Does anyone use Jab Canceling with Fox? Do you guys think it's worthwhile or should I stop doing it. It seems like my regular opponents are getting to accustomed to punishing it or PSing the Shine but in tournament (against new players) it usually benefits me more than hinders me. Advice please?

 

[Orion*]

It seems like my regular opponents are getting to accustomed to punishing it or PSing the Shine

then dont do it

but in tournament (against new players) it usually benefits me more than hinders me. Advice please?

then do it

but dont rely on it

 

[Conviction]

If they are shielding the shine, have you thought of following up with grab instead? Being completely serious homie lol

There are things to do if they are shielding, just stop using the shine as the auto-crutch and you'll see.

 

[Orion*]

If they are shielding the shine, have you thought of following up with grab instead? Being completely serious homie lol

i almost spit my beer out laughing at this
but wasting such things as a student is prohibited

 

[Conviction]

EDIT: Stupid Laptop