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[T-block]

EBWOP: I'm also not really feeling*

subtle, but it actually makes a difference xP

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I disagree, I think a comparison is needed at this point.

I'd much rather lynch JTB at this point,

speaking of which, unvote Vote: JTB

But I want to make sure Auspher is not the way to go, I wanna side with you all the way T-Block but the rest of town isn't so we need to make sure they don't lynch Auspher over JTB.

 

[Deleted member]

Should I claim?

 

[Kantrip]

Town on TG7. I said I agreed with the reasoning JTB provided on him, and I do.

I don't think Auspher needs to claim. I REALLY think the best course of action is to lynch JTB. I am comfortable having Auspher down as a clear if JTB flips scum, and I still really think JTB is scum. The converse is not true (ie- Auspher's flip doesn't say anything about JTB). I'm also really not feeling the Auspher lynch after 341. I need to re-read how he voted JTB in the first place though.

Kantrip, your reasons for not voting JTB are incredibly weak. What is your real motivation for defending JTB?

vote: JTB

Because I think he's town and experienced. You seem so dead-set that he's scum, and I just don't see how you could be so positive about that read on D1. Of course, my town read on him is mostly me saying "I cannot see him doing that to himself if he's scum", where in several cases he's brought attention to himself (such as when he went back on his reads and openly admitted to them changing).

My reasoning is far from sound, and JTB's lynch would give us plenty of connections, so I will vote him to avoid a mislynch if it comes down to it.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip and John are null because for me there are just, well, there. it's probably just me but these two are kind of the grey mouses.

Mice*.

Pluralization errors irk me for absolutely no reason.

But you're right.

It appears as though I was killed in my other game, so I should be a little more involved here.

 

[John2k4]

Should I claim?

If you feel you should...

 

[Xiivi]

Vc1f

6/10|10.27.11 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
JTB|John2k4/T-block/Red Ryu/
Gustave|Kantrip/
Auspher|JTB/Gustave/The Paprika Killer/TokyoGamer7/
No Vote|Auspher/Terywj/

 

[Kantrip]

John, do YOU want Auspher to claim?

In your answer, tell me how seeing a claim could help town and how it help scum.

 

[John2k4]

I wasn't specifically asking for him to claim, I was trying to say that if he felt he needed to claim, that he could.

How it could help town: Give us an idea of his role and flavor, could help with future claims.

How it could help scum: If he claims a power role of a sort (cop), or some kind of Mason thing, like Solid & Panta in MM, then he would be a Nkill target.

 

[T-block]

what kind of comparison are you looking to obtain?

idk... is there actually that much interest in lynching auspher?

 

[Kantrip]

T-Block, what is your opinion of lynching Auspher?

 

[John2k4]

Kanty, which one do you want lynched more at this point: JTB or Auspher?

 

[Kantrip]

Auspher due to a slight town read on JTB and him being one of the stronger players.

On the other hand, T-Block seems pretty dead-set that he's scum, and T-Block is also one of the stronger players.

I don't want to burn through experienced town to end up with newbies getting manipulated by scum. If JTB gets lynched and is town, we are in a tough spot because, naturally, we would look at T-Block. However, if he gets pushed for leading the mis-lynch and he's town as well? Then we're screwed.

 

[Kantrip]

Could you answer the same question, John?

Also, Tery: what are your reads right now?

 

[T-block]

I don't like the Auspher lynch. I really don't know how how to read him, so his lynch would remove a question mark for me, but I think we have better options. JTB's lynch is highly likely to remove that question mark for me as well.

I can't decide whether you're fabricating your reasoning with this appeal to experience, or whether you genuinely believe it, Kantrip. Why would we ever go back on a lynch of a scummy player just because they would valuable if they were town? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Kantrip]

We wouldn't. I don't think JTB is scummy, though.

 

[Kantrip]

Your reasoning for not liking the Auspher lynch is that you don't know how to read him? That should be true for a lot of players, then. Am I right?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Town - T-Block, Terywj
Leaning Town - John2k4
Neutral - JTB, Auspher, Kantrip, tPK, Red Ryu
??? - TokyoGamer7, Guus

Auspher giving up is rather nullifying, if anything. I'm most concerned about TokyoGamer being new and a liability if he continues not posting anything.

Also, I feel like we're overly focused on our lack of experienced players, but maybe that's just me (probably is).

 

[Kantrip]

So no scumpicks at the moment?

Who do you want to lynch, then?

 

[John2k4]

I'd place my vote on Auspher since it almost seems that he is trying to be difficult to read, and I don't like it.

Also, food for thought, Kanty...what if two (or even three) of the "power players" (JTB, RR, and TB) are scum, and (for a lack of better wording) are pitting townies against each other. That's something I've been keeping in the back of my mind as a possibility when I read posts here.

 

[Kantrip]

It's possible. I wouldn't worry about that though. Unless there's a specific instance you'd like to point out in which it seems one of them is pitting people against each other.

You don't like how Auspher is difficult to read, John?
How does one go about trying to be difficult to read?

 

[John2k4]

Unvote
Auspher is at L-2, and that is the only reason I am not voting him right now, since I don't want him to be quickhammered.

 

[T-block]

Yes, Kantrip, but your first defense of him was to say that he is experienced. You didn't even say he was town until I asked you.

As for my reasoning on Auspher, he's null to me, and I think we can do better than null.

Nulls to me at the moment are Gustave, Auspher, and TPK. JTB's flip gives quite a bit of information on all three of those.

 

[John2k4]

Kanty, I'll look around and try to find somewhere where that might have been happening. I didn't say it had happened, I just said it was something to keep in the back of your mind.

Also: D'aww, that was my 2,000th post. Whatta place to put it.

 

[Kantrip]

Who is looking particularly town to you, T-Block?

What would JTB's flip tell you about the three players you mentioned? Tell me what it would tell you for either alignment, please.

 

[T-block]

Scum flip means scum points for Gustave, clear for Auspher and some town points for TPK.
Town flip means scum points for Auspher. Gustave and TPK would stay null.

Town: RR, TG7
Like: John, Tery
Null: Auspher, Gustave, TPK
Dislike: Kantrip
Scum: JTB

I'll elaborate closer to the end of the Day.

 

[John2k4]

We've got 48 hours left, and with the wagon on Auspher, it might be a good idea for him to claim...

 

[Kantrip]

First off, I'd need you to explain those (the only one you've explained is Gustave iirc), and second: That gives us a lot less reads than you made it sound if JTB flips town. Two stay null and we get ONE connection? That's hardly enough to gain anything out of the lynch.

Yeah, Auspher can claim.

 

[John2k4]

Hey there Tery, I see you down there...
Thoughts on the Auspher wagon?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So no scumpicks at the moment?

Who do you want to lynch, then?

As stated, I'd really like to check TokyoGamer, but I do understand how JTB / Auspher's flips will give us some substancial information on connections, etc.

I'm hesitant on this Auspher wagon, but I think I'll wait to see the claim before debating between Auspher and TokyoGamer. If Auspher claims a power role, I will really doubt it because of his giving up nature from before, but I dunno.

 

[Kantrip]

Well then you shouldn't have said that, Tery. Now he'll claim VT if he's scum....

 

[T-block]

First off, I'd need you to explain those (the only one you've explained is Gustave iirc), and second: That gives us a lot less reads than you made it sound if JTB flips town. Two stay null and we get ONE connection? That's hardly enough to gain anything out of the lynch.

Yeah, Auspher can claim.

Yeah well... you need to remember I really think JTB is going to flip scum -_-

What do we gain from lynching Auspher, Kantrip?

I guess you should claim then, Auspher.

 

[John2k4]

What would you vote should he claim VT, Tery?

 

[Kantrip]

T-Block, why are you so confident about a D1 flip?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well then you shouldn't have said that, Tery. Now he'll claim VT if he's scum....

What would you vote should he claim VT, Tery?

IMO, at this point, if he claims a power role, then I'll suspect a lie because of what I said before. If he claims townie, we can still lynch as a given up townie is a useless townie. Or he's scum. :D

In the event of a townie claim, though, I'd still have to think it over between Auspher and TokyoGamer.

 

[Kantrip]

You miss the point though. You should not have said you would disbelieve a PR claim, because now you ruined the authenticity of the claim. You could have brought it up after the claim, but saying it before only helps him know what to claim if he IS scum.

 

[T-block]

What would you vote should he claim VT, Tery?

Why are you even asking this question?

T-Block, why are you so confident about a D1 flip?

See my case? I realize it's D1, but this is about as confident as a D1 read can get. I feel he was not honest about his motivations for his play, and when confronted about it, nothing in his defense convinced me otherwise.

You never answered my question - what do we gain from lynching Auspher?

Bonus question: I've put myself in the spotlight way more than JTB has... he was able to retract his gambit without being committed to anything. I've been steadfast in this JTB push. Why does JTB get a town read when I don't?

 

[T-block]

IMO, at this point, if he claims a power role, then I'll suspect a lie because of what I said before. If he claims townie, we can still lynch as a given up townie is a useless townie. Or he's scum. :D

In the event of a townie claim, though, I'd still have to think it over between Auspher and TokyoGamer.

Maybe I don't like Tery anymore.

So... you're just going to bring something up against him no matter what he claims?

 

[Kantrip]

Would you be willing to put yourself on the line for JTB's scum flip?

Lynching Auspher (besides the fact that he's more scummy to me than JTB) would give us connections due to his interactions with JTB and other players. It would also remove someone who has both given up and shown that they are unwilling or unable to help contribute to scumhunting. I don't know how much Auspher would help us in late game, whereas JTB (if town) could do just that.

Why did you like Tery to begin with?

Bonus Question Answer: I realize you've put yourself in the spotlight: congratulations. Where did I say I thought you were scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

what kind of comparison are you looking to obtain?

idk... is there actually that much interest in lynching auspher?

Well 4 people are voting him, so yeah there is.

I want a comparison of claims since that is the only way people will listen to us at this point.

Town - T-Block, Terywj
Leaning Town - John2k4
Neutral - JTB, Auspher, Kantrip, tPK, Red Ryu
??? - TokyoGamer7, Guus

Auspher giving up is rather nullifying, if anything. I'm most concerned about TokyoGamer being new and a liability if he continues not posting anything.

Also, I feel like we're overly focused on our lack of experienced players, but maybe that's just me (probably is).

I dislike rhe lack of scum reads, just an fyi.

~

Auspher claim now.