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Hip Hop: The Poetic Side

Nova9000

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Yeah, I started like that too. Just fooling around, you know.
I understand lol. I have more but I'll have to upload them later.

QFT.

More like the main thing...that, and people buy ****ty albums.
And that's why rappers have no 401K plan today.

jk, but yea the internet does cut thepockets of rappers deep. Then considering how much they have to come out of pocket after the album is done, and it's a backwards hustle.
 

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I find it very funny how you ask what happened to Hip Hop then link to where people can download some free albums instead of encouraging people to pay for one.

THAT'S one thing that happened to hip hop
Yeah, except when I like an album, I buy it. I download it first, and then I buy it.

QFT.

More like the main thing...that, and people buy ****ty albums.
Yeah. The internet is a blessing for indie artists and a hindrance for better known artists.

I understand lol. I have more but I'll have to upload them later.



And that's why rappers have no 401K plan today.

jk, but yea the internet does cut thepockets of rappers deep. Then considering how much they have to come out of pocket after the album is done, and it's a backwards hustle.
Cool.

And yeah... the internet does hurt a lot of rappers, but for indie artists it's a blessing. Getting music out to the masses?
 

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Edited. I really like Oddisee, the name itself is cool. (Odd I See)
He's from Washington D.C.

Speaking of DC, I'm leaving for there tonight. :D


EDIT: Whoa. This blog has more posts than any other blog :O
 

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Edited. I really like Oddisee, the name itself is cool. (Odd I See)
He's from Washington D.C.

Speaking of DC, I'm leaving for there tonight. :D


EDIT: Whoa. This blog has more posts than any other blog :O
Where are you going to be staying and for how long?
 

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I tend to actually buy albums in CD form. I like giving rappers the money they deserve, and I just like having the physical version of the music for some reason. I download mixtapes and stuff that I don't know well, but I like to buy stuff if I have the money.
 

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Young people tend to glorify the early days of hip-hop too much. They will like to remember all the classics like Illmatic and the Native Tongues but forget the exploters that lived in the same era. The exploters date back to the Sugar Hill Gang, who stole the Good Times beat and rhymes from Grandmaster Caz and were not respected rappers in their neighborhood like the definition of MC was during that time. Instead of complaining about how rap has changed, why not explore some of the dope artists in your era. Jay Electronica and J. Cole are two very promising artists who have dropped mixtapes in the past year that I consider classic. Hip hop is hypocritical so it's not right to act like songs with messages are the only true hip hop songs.
And also I'm not trying to attack you, just trying to make you see things from another perspective.
 

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Where are you going to be staying and for how long?
I just came back, we went to Virginia, DC, and Maryland. We met a group of Alabamans who were racist and homophobic.... we capped on them pretty well.
"I'm an only child."
"I have not had sexual intercourse with anything other than a human being."

I tend to actually buy albums in CD form. I like giving rappers the money they deserve, and I just like having the physical version of the music for some reason. I download mixtapes and stuff that I don't know well, but I like to buy stuff if I have the money.
Yeah, I do too, except I don't get around to CD stores often, so iTunes is a great alternate.

Young people tend to glorify the early days of hip-hop too much. They will like to remember all the classics like Illmatic and the Native Tongues but forget the exploters that lived in the same era. The exploters date back to the Sugar Hill Gang, who stole the Good Times beat and rhymes from Grandmaster Caz and were not respected rappers in their neighborhood like the definition of MC was during that time. Instead of complaining about how rap has changed, why not explore some of the dope artists in your era. Jay Electronica and J. Cole are two very promising artists who have dropped mixtapes in the past year that I consider classic. Hip hop is hypocritical so it's not right to act like songs with messages are the only true hip hop songs.
And also I'm not trying to attack you, just trying to make you see things from another perspective.
Eh. I agree, except I do like some modern artists. J. Cole is good, and I like a ton of underground artists. And I love how the Wu-Tang members drop stuff all the time.

I'll continue to say that hip-hop is changed, because the mainstream is so terrible. Most of it is, at least. And messages are important, but not that important. You can rap about women but if you have a complex rhyme scheme and unique style, it's great. But I hate this modern style because everyone likes it, they sing it all the time, but they don't know what the good stuff is.

I get what you're coming from though.
 

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I just came back, we went to Virginia, DC, and Maryland. We met a group of Alabamans who were racist and homophobic.... we capped on them pretty well.
"I'm an only child."
"I have not had sexual intercourse with anything other than a human being."
:( I live in the DMV.....could have taken you to the studio or sumthin.
And I've never met a proud Alamaman before.....I guess you haven't either...lol...
 

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:( I live in the DMV.....could have taken you to the studio or sumthin.
And I've never met a proud Alamaman before.....I guess you haven't either...lol...
Eh, it was a school trip.

And I guess not.

We thought they were gonna prove stereotypes wrong, until they asked us how many guns we have. lmao.
 

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Come back in June, i have a show
to Virginia? No way.

I'm gonna be working full time. I need a new computer (Macbook Pro) for highschool, and to record music (ONLY $500 LEFT TILL I CAN GET IT!!! :D :D). The album I'm working on will probably get released around December. :/

Multi rhymes are gonna be heavy. I'm gonna switch up my style a lot in each song though... Won't be rapping fast for the most part. Just slow beats mostly, jazzy beats though. Some blues and funk in there. The beats are what I'll have to work really hard on.

Oh, and I can probably get a single together sometime in June. My friend can let me record one day... which is all I really need. Any ideas for a single? Do you guys want like Inspectah Deck/Rakim flow and wordplay? Or a song that'll tell a story? Or maybe a funny song like My Name Is?

Let me know.
 

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Well either works for me. As long as it isnt bubble gum rapping involved. And Im goin 2 the studio 2morrow 4 a new song. how much does your friend charge you?
 

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Well either works for me. As long as it isnt bubble gum rapping involved. And Im goin 2 the studio 2morrow 4 a new song. how much does your friend charge you?
That would go against my morals lol.

I'm not gonna record it in the studio, I'm kinda broke. Plus, it's pretty much for fun, but if I made money off this it would be straight up awesome.

I only need $500 to get my Macbook Pro. When I get that, I intend to be working on music every weekend, and probably every night.


and...
Who's heard "Scottie 15" by Andre Nickatina?
PHONE ON YOUR BUTT, ITS A BOOTY CALL.
can't get it out of my head lol.




EDIT:



Well, I decided what my single is going to be. It's gonna be called "Listen!"

The hook is gonna go like this:

"listen! listen!
unh.
listen! listen!
the philosopher in the house
listen! listen!
just take a few minutes, and...
listen! listen!"

then it transitions into the first verse. itll have a pause, and then another LISTEN! which will be actually used in the first line, like "LISTEN! to the sound of my voice" or whatever.

It'll go on youtube the moment I finish mastering it.



ALSO. I need a rapper name. As of now it's Socrates, because I am greek and he was a greek philosopher, & I intend to rap about some of the big questions.

Is this cool? Everyone that I've asked is like "WTF? THATS A TERRIBLE NAME". I like it, but can I have feedback?
 

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Difference Between Rap and Hip-Hop by Oakland Rapper Azeem

Music has gained a whole heap of new categories in the past 10 years. People who aren’t “in” on whatever underground thing that’s poppin’ may get a lil’ confused.
An easy question would be - whats the difference between Drum & Bass and Dub Step? Or Roots Music and Dance Hall?
When it comes to Rap and Hip Hop, there are very different opinions. Here are ten of mine regarding the difference between the two.

10. Hip Hop is creative while Rap is predictable.
From the classic song The Message by Grandmaster Flash, to what’s known as the “Golden Era”, Hip Hop music has always championed the street poet. To be recognized as a real MC meant your skills were that of a Jedi or gladiator’ king.

To survive was to out wit, out rhyme, out perform, and out shine. In an art form where the language and slang is constantly changing, MCs pushed even further and **** near created new languages. Das Efx, and the Fu Schnickens are great examples of that.
When Rakim dropped Follow the Leader, stating -
“I can take a phrase thats barely heard/ Flip it/ Now its a daily word”
He was stating the truth.
And that’s a powerful statement. Rap lyrics on the other hand never seem to push any limits. The chorus structures are made in order for 3 year olds to sing along to, but the topics are adult and usually focus on a woman’s ***, the popular brand of “Ak Aka Aka Alchohol”, ego, clothes and money.


9. The production in Rap music is better than in Hip Hop.
Kanye West is a dope producer. A real producer is someone who creates a song with a purpose. They usually have the chorus and idea of the song and only pass it to the lyricist when its ready for the final touch. They might sample a sound here and there but mostly they create from scratch and layer with live keys, horns, etc.
With the exception of a few masters like DJ Premier, most Hip Hop producers sample some ****, loop it, throw an effect on top, and hand it over to the “rapper” who has to come up with the idea, write the chorus, get the singer and the Mexican tuba player all on his own.
Production for Rap music on the other hand, is made to mimic what ever is hot at the moment like, auto tune. If you want to shoot your radio every time you hear a grown *** man whining into a box about cheap love, you’re not alone. But if that’s what sells, that’s what Rap Music is doing. And with big money involved, record labels hire “real producers” to make it.

8. The difference is, Rap sells more.
See above.

7. Rap is about bull**** like money and cars. Hip Hop is about bull**** like how good you can rhyme.

Mike Jones! Who? Mike Jooooones! I wouldn’t know a Mike Jones lyric if it fell on top of me from a Martian space ship. BUT - i know his name.
Why?
Because its simple. So are his songs.
This leads real MC’s to say- “Wat-Da ****?”, and start going hard with samurai-like precision about how that **** sucks and they stop writing songs with substance. Instead they get stuck in “battle mode” and write songs about writing songs. Lyrical as he is, Cannibus is a good example.

6. Rap is the way young kids do Hip Hop.
Soldier Boy. I don’t get it. But its not made for me to get. I get THAT. So I can’t judge or diss. Who knows what kind of artist Soldier Boy will become. If he has been blessed with success, maybe it’s for a reason. Maybe he’ll open a youth center, or start a label for kids or become a great producer or the mayor of where ever. The future belongs to the youth so all we can do is lead by example and know some will recognize and “Carry on Tradition.”
5. Hip Hop is a lifestyle, Rap is something to dance to.
See any KRS ONE lecture. Anything I say on this subject would only sound like him.

4. In Italy they innocently just call it “Black Music”.
I got lost in Milan once. I left the venue during sound check, noted there was a park across the street and decided it was an easy landmark to get back. After roaming aimlessly for an hour I realized there were parks everywhere. Little ones, big ones - everywhere.
When I started asking people where the venue was I realized no one spoke English - no one. So I’m stopping people in the street and going into cafe’s doing an insane sign language trying to find the place we are performing that evening. Its hard to explain how frustrated, lost and stupid I looked. After miming my question people would say- “Ohhh Black Music!” “Yes!” I would say - “Black Music! Where?”
Three hours later I saw a poster with our picture on it. I waited by it until two Africans walked by and told me how to get back to the venue. I learned that to Italians, Rap, Reggae, Hip Hop, Jazz, etc was innocently called Black Music.
And their eyes lit up like Christmas lights when they said those words. They couldn’t really tell the difference and probably didn’t see a need for one.

3. Hip Hop has messages. Rap Music has commercials.
Although Jamie Fox isn't a rapper, R&B and Rap have been merged through production and his song Blame is the perfect example of commercialism.

Now, it may be possible that like St Ides (who actually payed rappers to promote their poison), Jamie Fox could be getting money from Patron, Hennessy, and Grey Goose - but I doubt it. Hip Hop is more likely to have you tear down the department store while rap will inspire you to shop there.

2. Hip Hop is dead. Rap is its ******* child who inherited the estate.
Nas wasn’t the only one saying Hip Hop was dead. People who have migrated to the electronic music scene have known it for years. It may not be dead, but it is being swallowed, and drowned out by the ocean of “new artists” who fall into the rap category. See example #6. This fact brings us forward to a strange conclusion. The number one difference between Rap and Hip Hop…

1. Hip Hop dosen’t get air play. Rap does.
There is a famous quote by J. Edgar Hoover who said,
“There will be no more Black Messiah’s unless we create them.”
When the uninitiated hear the name Tupac Shakur, they think of a trouble maker gangsta’ rap star. Most don’t calculate the reason Tupac turned up this way. His earlier works are filled with the philosophy and attitude of the Black Panther and Street Soldier mentality shared by his mother and step father Matula Shakur as well as his famous aunt Assata Shakur.

His songs like Trapped -
“thinking about what tha streets do to me, cause they never talk peace in tha black community
all we know is violence, do tha job in silence
walk tha city streets like a rat pack of tyrants
too many brothers daily heading for tha big penn
*****s commin’ out worse off than when they went in..”
Notice the subtle twist how “brothers” go into the penn and “*****s” come out.
Is a great example of the message Pac had in his music, until he was sent to prison. That’s when Suge Knight appeared out of nowhere to offer the million dollar bail on one condition. That was, Tupac was to deliver 8 albums worth of Hard-Core Gangsta Rap.
Now, who was really behind Suge and Interscope Records to green light Suge’s infamous deal? None other than Edgar Bronfman of the Bronfman Family- an Illuminiti business dynasty who made its money off alcohol (like the Kennedy family) during the prohibition. The Bronfman Family own’s the Seagram Co. which owns 80% of MCA
MCA owns RCA and Universal Studios. And they also own 50% of Interscope Records. These are the people who were behind Death Row Records and the posters of your favorite rapper drinking St.Ides in your local Liquor store.
It’s obvious they do not have the best interests in mind for the people. Through radio and Hollywood we are being manipulated directed and mis-educated. The ****ery on the radio serves a purpose. Its easier to control a dumb population than an intelligent one. Here is a sad yet comical example.

Have the radio stations been taken over by followers of Edward Bernays where only the base and sexual subjects are aired to manipulate and control the people?
I’m asking you.
Is there a conspiracy between the illuminati and entertainment? Rap and Hip hop? If there is, what should we as artists do about it?
Do we write about the dumb-ing down of the art form, and the people, or, do we bow our heads and do the Stanky Leg Dance like everybody else?
Obey and consume? Or Rebel? Blue Pill or Red?
For more on Bernays, check out The Century of The Self.


I personally couldn't agree more, except the last one... Some dope rappers like Nas and Eminem, who are popular yet write about real stuff get airplay.

Yet I agree, most hip hop is underground.



Thoughts? & sorry for the double post, this is too long.
 

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@ 1st post:
I'd have to "listen" to it to get a feel for the hook. And I guess I'm lucky; I have a friend who has access to the studio at our school so I could record for free there. And for rap name Socartes could work. You can always go by more than one name as well; I go by Nova B, B Suga, Hypocrite, ect. But that seems to be a good name to start with and broaden from there.

@ 2nd post:
I have to agree with just about everything said. These days the younger generation cares less about hip hop and more about rap and it's sickening because there is hardly any substance in these songs. and because of this both rap and hip hop are dying in a sense IMO. hip hop artists are underpaid to the point where it can't even become a career for their talent, and rap artists are forced to conform to what people want nowadays and have so many subliminal messages inthem that its crazy. But then again, I believe its all a ploy to make the public ignorant of whats going on in the real world. or maybe the Illumaniti stuff is gettin to me. either way, there is no longevity in either hip hop or rap nowadays unless you become an obedient scapegoat for subliminals.
 

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@ 1st post:
I'd have to "listen" to it to get a feel for the hook. And I guess I'm lucky; I have a friend who has access to the studio at our school so I could record for free there. And for rap name Socartes could work. You can always go by more than one name as well; I go by Nova B, B Suga, Hypocrite, ect. But that seems to be a good name to start with and broaden from there.

@ 2nd post:
I have to agree with just about everything said. These days the younger generation cares less about hip hop and more about rap and it's sickening because there is hardly any substance in these songs. and because of this both rap and hip hop are dying in a sense IMO. hip hop artists are underpaid to the point where it can't even become a career for their talent, and rap artists are forced to conform to what people want nowadays and have so many subliminal messages inthem that its crazy. But then again, I believe its all a ploy to make the public ignorant of whats going on in the real world. or maybe the Illumaniti stuff is gettin to me. either way, there is no longevity in either hip hop or rap nowadays unless you become an obedient scapegoat for subliminals.
1st post:
Alright, make sure to listen when i put it out in a month or two.
That's awesome. I'm just recording it at home, it's pretty quiet here.
Yeah, I know. I think it would be cool to stand for something like KRS-One. But it's like. The Philosopher. Socrates. Soc'. You know like that.

2nd post: Yeah, I do too. Nobody these days care about the true artists.

Blah Blah Blah.

The Illuminati isn't in order anymore. I could write a big *** essay. but. no. I don't want to.
 

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1st post:
Alright, make sure to listen when i put it out in a month or two.
That's awesome. I'm just recording it at home, it's pretty quiet here.
Yeah, I know. I think it would be cool to stand for something like KRS-One. But it's like. The Philosopher. Socrates. Soc'. You know like that.

2nd post: Yeah, I do too. Nobody these days care about the true artists.

Blah Blah Blah.

The Illuminati isn't in order anymore. I could write a big *** essay. but. no. I don't want to.
I def. will. And yea I could do a paper on the Ill as well...but no 1 would listen.
 

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I am in total Awe at this entire topic...Heaven couldn't get better than this, Music (More Specifically Hip-Hop) means alot more to me than anything but all this "Stank booty music" is the only thing this world is actually paying attention to. You know when your listening to hip-hop by the end of the song you learn a lesson, With rap you only learn the lyrics...Good music is a Diamond in the sand.
 

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wow there's a lot of snobbiness in this thread, i think




why do you have to put everything into categories, and use those categories to judge the aesthetic value of something?

like "hip hop > rap"
this isn't true all the time
(in fact i'd say there's no good evidence for it even being true MOST of the time)

the distinction between rap and hip-hop is as fraught with haters/posers/snobs as the distinction between pop-punk and "real" punk, or mainstream rock and REAL rock

where do you draw the line?
my opinion is that you can't, really
 

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wow there's a lot of snobbiness in this thread, i think




why do you have to put everything into categories, and use those categories to judge the aesthetic value of something?

like "hip hop > rap"
this isn't true all the time
(in fact i'd say there's no good evidence for it even being true MOST of the time)

the distinction between rap and hip-hop is as fraught with haters/posers/snobs as the distinction between pop-punk and "real" punk, or mainstream rock and REAL rock

where do you draw the line?
my opinion is that you can't, really
So metal and alternative are the same types of music?
 

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wow there's a lot of snobbiness in this thread, i think




why do you have to put everything into categories, and use those categories to judge the aesthetic value of something?

like "hip hop > rap"
this isn't true all the time
(in fact i'd say there's no good evidence for it even being true MOST of the time)

the distinction between rap and hip-hop is as fraught with haters/posers/snobs as the distinction between pop-punk and "real" punk, or mainstream rock and REAL rock

where do you draw the line?
my opinion is that you can't, really
no dude, what are you talking about
You say we catagorize everything but hip-hop is in fact it's own catagory if it wasn't and it was all just one big mashed up music then why not just throw R&B and Jazz into the Rap catagory im pointing out that just hearing one sound for a minute and hearing another for another minute doesn't mean you should be quick to judge and this is why i asked is alternative and metal the same things to be in the same catagory there are distinctions between all these music types you just have to listen closely mainstream music is just what is voted by popular demand to be played on the radio and majority of whats played on the radio's
isn't music to me.

I used to like when Black Eyed Peas weren't mainstream >_>
 

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that post didn't really make a lot of sense. i'm not judging from one minute of listening either, don't know where you got that from

it's only natural that people organize things into categories
but making judgments based solely on those categories (Dr Dre is REAL HIP HOP [and thus is better than lil wayne or w/e]) is ridiculous

if this were to be true and be justifiable, everything that falls under "hip hop" would have to be demonstrably better than everything under "rap." hip hop would have to be better by the definition of the category

for one, this isn't how we do music. we take influences in the songs like certain rhythms, cord changes, syncopation, and recently media exposure (indie vs pop) and then call a particular artist or song "jazz," blues, rock, electronica, whatever. quality doesn't normally fall into the criteria we use to categorize music.

but here, it looks like that's the case. the labels of hip-hop and rap have become essentially interchangeable in our culture today--if you call MF Doom "rap" nobody who's not a douchebag is gonna call you out on it. when people make the distinction, "hip hop" usually refers to early rap/hip-hop like sugar hill gang. the only other reason i'd see is that they want to act like they're cool by saying "oh yeah, this is REAL hip hop." (as if the rest were imaginary!)

i could be wrong on the above point, but here's the message i want to get across: people who say "rap is crap, i listen to hip hop" are making an illogical value judgment based on arbitrary categories.
 

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Well Lupe is still keepin it real. Along with Redman and Wutang who don't get as much credit as they deserve.
 

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I am in total Awe at this entire topic...Heaven couldn't get better than this, Music (More Specifically Hip-Hop) means alot more to me than anything but all this "Stank booty music" is the only thing this world is actually paying attention to. You know when your listening to hip-hop by the end of the song you learn a lesson, With rap you only learn the lyrics...Good music is a Diamond in the sand.
Thank you. I love hip-hop to death.

how'd i never see this thread? hmmmm may have to read the last few pages to catch up.
OH hey you're the dude from the other thread!

wow there's a lot of snobbiness in this thread, i think




why do you have to put everything into categories, and use those categories to judge the aesthetic value of something?

like "hip hop > rap"
this isn't true all the time
(in fact i'd say there's no good evidence for it even being true MOST of the time)

the distinction between rap and hip-hop is as fraught with haters/posers/snobs as the distinction between pop-punk and "real" punk, or mainstream rock and REAL rock

where do you draw the line?
my opinion is that you can't, really
Because there's a huge difference between hip-hop and rap.
Rap consists of the mainstream club and radio hits. **** *****es get money and nice cars.
Hip-Hop is the movement. Listen to KRS-One talk about it.

"Hip and Hop is more than music
Hip is the knowledge
Hop is the movement
Hip and Hop is intelligent movement
or relevent movement
We're sellin' the music!
so write this down on your black books and journals
Hip-Hop culture is eternal!
Run and tell all your friends.
and ancient civilization will be born again!"

-Hip Hop Lives, KRS-One

You say we catagorize everything but hip-hop is in fact it's own catagory if it wasn't and it was all just one big mashed up music then why not just throw R&B and Jazz into the Rap catagory im pointing out that just hearing one sound for a minute and hearing another for another minute doesn't mean you should be quick to judge and this is why i asked is alternative and metal the same things to be in the same catagory there are distinctions between all these music types you just have to listen closely mainstream music is just what is voted by popular demand to be played on the radio and majority of whats played on the radio's
isn't music to me.

I used to like when Black Eyed Peas weren't mainstream >_>
AGREED. Hip-Hop isn't mainstream for the most part. I mean you have people like Nas and Eminem who are huge celebrities but still make quality music.

that post didn't really make a lot of sense. i'm not judging from one minute of listening either, don't know where you got that from

it's only natural that people organize things into categories
but making judgments based solely on those categories (Dr Dre is REAL HIP HOP [and thus is better than lil wayne or w/e]) is ridiculous

if this were to be true and be justifiable, everything that falls under "hip hop" would have to be demonstrably better than everything under "rap." hip hop would have to be better by the definition of the category

for one, this isn't how we do music. we take influences in the songs like certain rhythms, cord changes, syncopation, and recently media exposure (indie vs pop) and then call a particular artist or song "jazz," blues, rock, electronica, whatever. quality doesn't normally fall into the criteria we use to categorize music.

but here, it looks like that's the case. the labels of hip-hop and rap have become essentially interchangeable in our culture today--if you call MF Doom "rap" nobody who's not a douchebag is gonna call you out on it. when people make the distinction, "hip hop" usually refers to early rap/hip-hop like sugar hill gang. the only other reason i'd see is that they want to act like they're cool by saying "oh yeah, this is REAL hip hop." (as if the rest were imaginary!)

i could be wrong on the above point, but here's the message i want to get across: people who say "rap is crap, i listen to hip hop" are making an illogical value judgment based on arbitrary categories.
The categories have been there from the beginning. It started as Hip-Hop. Not Hip-Hop/Rap, not Rap. Hip-Hop.

Well Lupe is still keepin it real. Along with Redman and Wutang who don't get as much credit as they deserve.
Agreed, then we have Nas and underground artists, etc. etc.

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saying i didn't read this thread is still about this thread.
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so how about them fresh prince of bel air themes?
 

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so how about them fresh prince of bel air themes?
Saying you didn't read the thread is about the thread, but not the topic we are discussing.

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