Q&A Hint Block: Yoshi Question and Answer Thread

[Scatz]

Welp. I leave you guys in good hands with Gheb. Have fun LOL

 

[Slice~]

Please Gheb, do it.
Next weekend I'll rek your face by footstooling you 24/7.

Then tell me again how OP Yoshi is, I double dare you!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Please Gheb, do it.
Next weekend I'll rek your face by footstooling you 24/7.

Then tell me again how OP Yoshi is, I double dare you!

Dude, if the random button ever gives me Yoshi against you ... just you wait

 

[clockwalker]

So, I'm by no means an expert smasher or even a consistent Smash Boards user, but I had some suggestions/questions/blahblahblah.
Any way, firstly, I'm most concerned with the Yoshi match up threads. You guys seem to be going with the thread per character approach, which I actually like, but there's no organization or over-arching thread to tie it all together. Right now there's the individual match up threads BUT there is also a general match up thread full of random buggery and posted by someone who looks about as dedicated as myself. My suggestion is to either get the OP to update it and link all the new MU threads OR lock it so a more experienced/consistent member can make a new one to serve that purpose. This is like, a necessity. Match up knowledge and tech are the two things serious players are most concerned with.

You could go check out the Link MU thread titled "Book of [MU]dora Index." for an example.

Secondly, I was just wondering if someone could start up the ZSS MU thread? Apparently we're also hot in the ZSS players mind, Yoshi was one of the first MU's they were going to tackle(eventually).

 

[Shadó Chimera / シャドーキメラ]

What uses does Egg Roll have?

 

[Scarlet Jile]

You can get to the other side of the stage pretty quick.

You can sometimes confuse people by egg rolling their landings.

Occasional wifi cheese.

 

[Shadó Chimera / シャドーキメラ]

I've actually tested it as a movement option and sadly it's inferior to dashing across the stage because of the startup.

 

[Pandie the pantie]

I've actually tested it as a movement option and sadly it's inferior to dashing across the stage because of the startup.

Egg Roll in general is by far the most useless move in the game, let alone it being the most useless move for Yoshi. I can't think of any setups (some that are at least practical) or good options to cover with that move. You're better off dashing. Or perfect pivot, short hop Nair :3

 

[Slice~]

Eggroll is actually one of the most interesting moves for me since we can jump now.
I've already succesfully gimped people by suddenly jumping offstage with it and FAir'ing them etc.
It's even hard to be punished now, as we can jump offstage before leaving the egg to deny a punish onstage.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

If you do the little reverse egg-roll thing, the startup is pretty quick. But yeah, goofy little jump or not, there's almost always a better option.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Or a better Side-B we could've had.

 

[Slice~]

I like it! >:I

 

[Altea77]

Is there an official Yoshi guide on here anywhere? I didn't see a sticky for one.

 

[Sinister Slush]

There's videos and guides made.
Go back here http://smashboards.com/forums/yoshi.471/ and click whatever thread says "guide"

 

[Pandie the pantie]

I feel dumb just for asking, but can the dair spike at any good percentage? And is it relatively safe to pull off?

 

[Sinister Slush]

Not really, the spike with dair seems a bit weirder to get this time around since it'll knock them into the air if more than one hit confirmed on them.

 

[Slice~]

At high % if you don't start DAir inside the enemy, it actually spikes really well.
If you get them at low %, try tilting the stick to the side, trying to get away before the last hit connects.

 

[Pandie the pantie]

At high % if you don't start DAir inside the enemy, it actually spikes really well.
If you get them at low %, try tilting the stick to the side, trying to get away before the last hit connects.

Tried that last night, it works!

 

[Ind15]

Hey guys
So I've been playing a bunch of matches with Yoshi and I've come to realize that I'm having a really hard time landing KOs. I can get in there and deal damage, but against bulkier opponents (and shield Shulk), I can never land a good smash. Any tips/good advice for landing the kill with Yoshi? Thanks!

 

[Delta-cod]

Don't. Fish. For. Kills.

Just don't. Keep doing your thing and winning neutral, the kill will eventually come. At higher percents when you're looking for the kill, your safe pokes will be sending them offstage for edge guard opportunities, where we get Nair, Bair, Uair, and Fair as kill moves. Fair is a frame trap, meaning that if they air dodge Fair, you can follow up, FOR FREE, with Uair/Nair, with Nair definitely being more consistent.

Alternative kill setups include juggles > Uair, Usmash OOS, and Jab > Down B.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Just combo into uair out of eggs

/40% of all my kills

 

[Paper Maribro]

Hey guys, I've been a Pac main since day dot but as time has gone on I have witnessed more and more difficult and downright horrible matchups. I am thinking of picking up Yoshi as my secondary but was wondering if there was any point. If you guys could let me know if you think these matchups are in Yoshi's favour or at the very least better than the relative MU for Pac. The big matchups I was hoping Yoshi could cover are:

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Thanks for reading guys and if you can help me out, that would be superb.

 

[JayMStone]

I've noticed while playing the 3ds version that harassers can footstool jump yoshi while he is double jumping, interrupting and taking away his double jump, effectively stoping his recovery and possibly killing at 0% or very low %. I haven't seen this in the wii u version, but I haven't played enough yoshi to see it happen. Can this still happen in the wii u version or has that been patched? And if it still happens do you think it will be patched?

 

[Delta-cod]

It is not a glitch, but a normal property of footstools. Footstools cancel all momentum and send the victim on a downwards trajectory. You can do this to anyone's jump, but it's most noticeable with ours because ours lasts very long and is our main recovery move.

Your momentum will not be halted and switched into the footstool tumble as long as you are currently performing an action when the footstool begins. If you are attacking or air dodging, you cannot be footstooled to death. They can still get the jump, but you will not fall.

 

[JayMStone]

It is not a glitch, but a normal property of footstools. Footstools cancel all momentum and send the victim on a downwards trajectory. You can do this to anyone's jump, but it's most noticeable with ours because ours lasts very long and is our main recovery move.

Your momentum will not be halted and switched into the footstool tumble as long as you are currently performing an action when the footstool begins. If you are attacking or air dodging, you cannot be footstooled to death. They can still get the jump, but you will not fall.

Thanks, I just think it's dumb for us as it is his primary recovery move, and other characters can't be footstooled out of upb for instance. I know it's not a glitch I just feel like the heavy armor should prevent it, but then again it isn't really an attack, idk.. I just know I've died at 5% before and I wasn't too happy about it.

 

[Smog Frog]

so in a quest to find a main that isnt diddy and doesnt require hand breaking tech skill, yoshi was the answer given to me by several folks. is this the right choice or do i keep searching?

 

[Sinister Slush]

It's the right choice if you're looking for a fairly easy character that still requires skill in some areas.

 

[devin]

I'm trying to be really good with Yoshi and I'm doing pretty good so far but I still struggle to land meteor smashs and aerial attack. I train for at least 1 hour a day. I have to face my friend's shulk and I can't beat him. Any tips?

 

[jeck95]

Use eggs (up-b) more, use your shield to block air approaches, and use jump nair/(upsmash at high percents) out of shield to punish those air approaches. If your opponent likes to grab, then use jab and short hop retreating fair to box out that option. Remember your grab range is big due to it being a tether grab and neutral b is great if your opponent likes to shield your air approaches (keep in mind the speed of neutral b as well). Also, when facing any characters with counters, you can either grab them or wait until the counter runs out and punish accordingly.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

You have two options with off-stage attacks, in my experience. The first approach is the "direct" approach and involves you being fast enough to land the attack (meteor or otherwise) before they have time to react or before they realize what's happening. The better your opponent is, the harder this gets, so I wouldn't bank on meteor smashes being a reliable kill move. This option is usually part of a string of attacks.

The second option is to mix up your approach to either bait out an airdodge and punish it or use unexpected options at unexpected angles to make teching off the stage difficult. Nair is generally your safest and easiest move to land offstage, but "safe" doesn't always mean "optimal."

 

[Delta-cod]

You can try to force an airdodge with an egg toss. If you jump offstage while tossing an egg at your opponent, you can force them to airdodge into your follow up attack, or get hit, which could potentially set them up for a follow up or true combo.

 

[devin]

You can try to force an airdodge with an egg toss. If you jump offstage while tossing an egg at your opponent, you can force them to airdodge into your follow up attack, or get hit, which could potentially set them up for a follow up or true combo.

how do i aim where i throw the egg? its hard

 

[devin]

You have two options with off-stage attacks, in my experience. The first approach is the "direct" approach and involves you being fast enough to land the attack (meteor or otherwise) before they have time to react or before they realize what's happening. The better your opponent is, the harder this gets, so I wouldn't bank on meteor smashes being a reliable kill move. This option is usually part of a string of attacks.

The second option is to mix up your approach to either bait out an airdodge and punish it or use unexpected options at unexpected angles to make teching off the stage difficult. Nair is generally your safest and easiest move to land offstage, but "safe" doesn't always mean "optimal."

Great tips, do you have any on how to land meteor smashes easier?

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Practice a lot.

 

[Arbitation]

Best way to use a meteor smash move is to not fish for it (at least, one that's medium difficulty to land like our fair). If you try it every time, then they'll see it coming... every time.

 

[Delta-cod]

If your concern is actually hitting with the meteor hitbox and not the sourspot, you'll get better results if you fastfall while trying to hit with Fair. The spikebox occurs at the beginning of the move, as Yoshi's swinging overhead, so fastfalling will help you space to get the spike.

 

[devin]

Use eggs (up-b) more, use your shield to block air approaches, and use jump nair/(upsmash at high percents) out of shield to punish those air approaches. If your opponent likes to grab, then use jab and short hop retreating fair to box out that option. Remember your grab range is big due to it being a tether grab and neutral b is great if your opponent likes to shield your air approaches (keep in mind the speed of neutral b as well). Also, when facing any characters with counters, you can either grab them or wait until the counter runs out and punish accordingly.

Thanks alot, i beat my friend!

 

[Forty4]

Does Yoshi still have the fastest airspeed? It doesn't seem as fast for some reason.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Yes he does along with Jigglypuff.

 

[Sodo]

Trying to pick up Yoshi, played around 50 matches with him thus far. I like fighting in the air, and I'm getting better with the eggs. My biggest question, and maybe an obvious one to you all: what are your bread and butter moves? I find that I have a lot of issues when my airgame gets shut down, and that in neutral I'm just trying to dash attack into Uair or Bair or something like that.