Q&A Hint Block: Yoshi Question and Answer Thread

[ChaosFalcon]

What are some solid yoshi combo to rake up damage or finish off opponents? I want to get better with yoshi but I'm not really familiar with him.

 

[Delta-cod]

Utilt > Usmash/Uair

Jab > Down B

Jab > Usmash

SH Egg Toss (follow the egg) > Egg Lay (they shielded)

SH Egg Toss > Nair (they didn't shield)

Edge Guarding:

FH Egg Toss (hits) > Fair/Nair/Uair

FH Egg Toss (they airdodge) > Fair/Nair/Uair

Fair them (it hits or they dodge) > Nair/Uair

The edge guarding ones are more dependent on your spacing relative to them and being below them, but these are all generally good setups and sometimes even true combos. Whether or not something is a true combo is very percent/spacing dependent.

 

[Artmastercorey]

What is yoshi's weakness? How do you punish him?

 

[InfinityZERO]

What is yoshi's weakness? How do you punish him?

Sorta difficult to get kills (mostly UAir, USmash, and Fair). He's Pikachuish. Also no triple jump. His SideB is bad.

 

[Artmastercorey]

Sorta difficult to get kills (mostly UAir, USmash, and Fair). He's Pikachuish. Also no triple jump. His SideB is bad.

Yoshi has difficulty getting kills? It doesnt seem like it to me but i see what you mean. To me yoshi seems extremely powered up in speed, power, range, and durability. When i get yoshi it seems like when I hit him he doesnt flinch and can hit me back right away on some attacks.

 

[Delta-cod]

Yoshi's main kill moves are vertical, and they've all been nerfed in knockback, I think. He has the mobility to land them, but he really needs to rack up a bunch of damage before they actually kill.

Rage helps, of course.

 

[muddykips]

Imo yoshi's main weakness is that his grab is poop. It's slow, rather weak, and he can't get much out of it besides positioning, whereas a lot of characters have backthrows, dthrow combos, etc.

Also quick question that's probably been answered somewhere else, but when you doublejump and execute an attack while you're still rising, do you maintain the superarmor, at least for a little bit during the attack animation? Sometimes that seems to happen to me, like an enemy'll land an attack while i'm still winding up fair, but it won't knock me away.

 

[Delta-cod]

That's actually a great question.

@Yikarur @Slice~ @ Shadó Chimera / シャドーキメラ @ Sinister Slush Any of you know, or is it just like, coincidental timing?

 

[Nikes]

Pretty sure the armor wears off the moment your hitbox comes out-so you can power through their attack and respond with a 59.99 in the face.

 

[Shadó Chimera / シャドーキメラ]

The heavy armor doesn't stay if you start an attack. It's only during the DJ animation.

 

[Delta-cod]

That's what I figured.

@ muddykips The double jump armor lasts a really long time through the jump in this game. There was a vine of Yoshi just double jumping through 3 bumpers, not getting knocked out of it, for like 60 frames or something ridiculous, but I can't find it for the life of me.

 

[muddykips]

Yeah, just tested it out with another 3ds. Yoshi DJs through Pikachu's jab just fine, but the moment I input an attack, the armor wears off.

I really wish some of the armor bled into aerials. You can't fastfall until you've reached the jump's zenith, so it's hard to find any offensive applications besides dj > nair, which is the only move that comes out in time before you just straight up zoom past the opponent.

But if you could wind up something like dair while flying into an attack, that'd be pretty nice...

There's some armor you can fastfall with after you reach the zenith, though. Like 15+ frames or something.

 

[Sinister Slush]

The DJ armor frames is actually the exact same amount from what we found out before Yika finished his frame data, I mentioned it before in the skype chat but basically all the frames from doing the dip down in brawl was basically removed since we no longer do that in Smash 4 and put into our falling DJ now, so that's why it feels like it's longer when realistically it's still the same amount of frames.

 

[Pogoshark]

How do I even play this character? none of his aerials auto cancel, his uairs hitbox is tiny, hes ridiculously hard to control in the air, his up smash doesnt even hit behind him and his smashes have mad end lag.

 

[InfinityZERO]

How do I even play this character? none of his aerials auto cancel, his uairs hitbox is tiny, hes ridiculously hard to control in the air, his up smash doesnt even hit behind him and his smashes have mad end lag.

Yoshi doesn't require Peach levels of commitment or training. If you watch the playlist in the Yoshi ditto topic, you'd see that Yoshi is strong heavy character that can zone. He can wall opponents out with egg throws in the air and ground and also can egg lay as part of the wall. He can kill with USmash, Uair (usually have to bait an egg throw to get this), and Fair. Learn to have really good control with B reversal and egg throws. Yoshi is also an aerial guy, but needs to be careful with double jumps.

Dern has a good recent video from a tournament of walling with Yoshi.

 

[Forty4]

Adding on to his kill moves, Yoshi can kill with Fmash, Down B, Nair, Bair, and Dsmash, but the latter 4 are somewhat situational, but if you want to know how to play him, watch videos, and don't forget to practice! Know which moves can combo, and know which ones can kill. Use Eggs all the time, and Egg Lay is a good mix up and a good way to make the opponent mad.

 

[Codaption]

Hello from the Jigglypuff boards! Obviously I'm a balloon main, but I also play a lot of Yoshi as well. I'd like to know how you're supposed to use Yoshi's Egg Lay- I've heard that it's really good if you can use it, but I have trouble landing it.

 

[Forty4]

Hello from the Jigglypuff boards! Obviously I'm a balloon main, but I also play a lot of Yoshi as well. I'd like to know how you're supposed to use Yoshi's Egg Lay- I've heard that it's really good if you can use it, but I have trouble landing it.

I don't use it too much either, but I think Egg Lay is used as a mixup when approaching, so if I'm coming in with a SH Egg Toss and the person shields it, I can use Egg Lay (correct me if I'm wrong). I think it can also be used as a punish but I'm not too sure.

 

[muddykips]

Learning how to b-reverse with egg lay is pretty important. You can use it when passing over a shielding opponent, turning around midair to surprise an opponent running after you, or just to change your trajectory to avoid an opponent.

Throwing an egg at your opponent from the air is also a pretty good setup, since they'll usually shield and you can just egglay them as you come down. Just be careful when pummeling the opponent while they're in the egg, since a character with a quick enough aerial can punish you as they break out.

 

[Codaption]

Ah, I see. Thanks!

One last thing: Is dthrow-> Uair a true combo at kill percent? I've found it to be at low percents, and it's still really reliable higher up if you can get both of your jumps out quickly.

 

[Forty4]

Ah, I see. Thanks!

One last thing: Is dthrow-> Uair a true combo at kill percent? I've found it to be at low percents, and it's still really reliable higher up if you can get both of your jumps out quickly.

It's never a true combo. Maybe (note: maybe) a true combo on Ganon or a similar character at 0%, but it still puts the opponent in an unfavorable position: above Yoshi, but don't rely on it. Really you should be using your throws for a positional advantage, and nothing else.

 

[Codaption]

It's never a true combo. Maybe (note: maybe) a true combo on Ganon or a similar character at 0%, but it still puts the opponent in an unfavorable position: above Yoshi, but don't rely on it. Really you should be using your throws for a positional advantage, and nothing else.

Just a quick thing I noticed in training mode, but once I tested it online it didn't really hold up like I thought it would. It's hard to predict how much DI will affect what would normally be an amazing string....

 

[Noa.]

I have a lot of trouble with Yoshi's jab jab Usmash. Is there any way to DI or get out of it consistently?

 

[Delta-cod]

I have a lot of trouble with Yoshi's jab jab Usmash. Is there any way to DI or get out of it consistently?

Who are you using? It should definitely only MAYBE work at extremely low percents. Perhaps you should try double jumping away from it? I'm not sure on that exact situation, but maybe DI'ing down to land early, then Shielding might also do the trick.

 

[Noa.]

Who are you using? It should definitely only MAYBE work at extremely low percents. Perhaps you should try double jumping away from it? I'm not sure on that exact situation, but maybe DI'ing down to land early, then Shielding might also do the trick.

I've never tried jumping out of it.

I'm going to feel so stupid if that works.

 

[Delta-cod]

@ Noa. It probably will. You can jump out of jab jab > Dash Grab too.

 

[cinnabar island]

I just spent an hour online battling nothing but Yoshis. It's pretty annoying.

Maybe I'm being a john, but I feel like yoshi benefits considerably in online play. He's so stinking fast! His fsmash, dash attack and Bair are simply too much for me. Not to mention he's a great spacing character as well.

I main Mario, and Rob is my secondary. I cannot seem to touch a decent yoshi player with Mario. I fare a little better with Rob.

Has anyone else noticed the surge in players using Yoshi online? Also any tips would be great. Peace.

 

[Delta-cod]

@ cinnabar island It seemed like your post was asking for advice, so I moved it into our Question and Answer thread.

Unfortunately, I don't have any tips for fighting Yoshi on WiFi. My general advice to you would be to approach and punish Yoshi for jumping any time he does so. His aerials aren't really that great, especially at fending people off when you've rushed him down. The ONLY thing you need to worry about is Nair counters. Respect the Nair, and you'll be good.

Also, since it's Wifi, try to avoid being near Yoshi on the ground in messy situations, like when you both roll at the same time. Yoshi's jab is pretty obnoxious online, so you'll probably have a bad time dealing with it.

 

[AirJordans]

Adding on to his kill moves, Yoshi can kill with Fmash, Down B, Nair, Bair, and Dsmash, but the latter 4 are somewhat situational, but if you want to know how to play him, watch videos, and don't forget to practice! Know which moves can combo, and know which ones can kill. Use Eggs all the time, and Egg Lay is a good mix up and a good way to make the opponent mad.

Definitely all true in my experience. Who are some of the better Yoshis playing in Smash 4? I feel like I have trouble finding people that use him competitively.

 

[Forty4]

Definitely all true in my experience. Who are some of the better Yoshis playing in Smash 4? I feel like I have trouble finding people that use him competitively.

I don't know a lot of them, but Raptor is a good one, along with some other Yoshis who frequent these boards, but it's hard to find tourney footage of Yoshi because he's so underused.

 

[Scatz]

@ Delta-cod is a good candidate

 

[Sinister Slush]

It's weird how we keep saying Raptor as one of the better Yoshi's, but he's never on streams so that also means no videos. Doesn't post much as well if either of those things do happen so no idea if he enters tournaments or not unless we dig for ourselves in the tournament results section.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE7brHvleoGA30EWNsHKRSw/videos
I guess for my videos you can find em on this channel. I kinda good at this game.

 

[Delta-cod]

Funny, but I don't even play this game that often. =P

 

[AirJordans]

It's weird how we keep saying Raptor as one of the better Yoshi's, but he's never on streams so that also means no videos. Doesn't post much as well if either of those things do happen so no idea if he enters tournaments or not unless we dig for ourselves in the tournament results section.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE7brHvleoGA30EWNsHKRSw/videos
I guess for my videos you can find em on this channel. I kinda good at this game.

Actually I saw some doubles footage of you from that other thread earlier today and I was pretty impressed for sure. I'll check out more of your videos.

As for the rest I'll definitely check out Raptor and Delta-cod.

 

[Codaption]

I don't know a lot of them, but Raptor is a good one, along with some other Yoshis who frequent these boards, but it's hard to find tourney footage of Yoshi because he's so underused.

Considering how much he's been buffed, here's to hoping that changes soon.

 

[Delta-cod]

Actually I saw some doubles footage of you from that other thread earlier today and I was pretty impressed for sure. I'll check out more of your videos.

As for the rest I'll definitely check out Raptor and Delta-cod.

Don't bother looking for me, there are actually ZERO videos of me up. Well, I guess one of my WiFi set with @Egg. But that's it. I've only been to one tournament, and despite being on stream, I don't think any of my matches were recorded and I can't even find the record of that stream.

 

[Nikes]

Funny, but I don't even play this game that often. =P

Some leader

@ AirJordans Some good Yoshi's in this game imo are Slice, GSM_Dren, Dr.Robotnik and I'd like to say myself without sounding boastful, but with that said I don't have very much video content I'm super proud of :/ Checking the tournament results thread is usually a good way about understanding who some of the good players are.

 

[Scatz]

@ Nikes is a good Yoshi. He's just trying to take the normal modest approach. (Though, you do have a few things to work on scrub )

 

[Nikes]

@ Nikes is a good Yoshi. He's just trying to take the normal modest approach. (Though, you do have a few things to work on scrub )

Like my internet.

Real talk, modest approach is what works best when you're always worried about sounding even slightly egotistical or something T_T It's hard to know where to draw the line between being rightfully proud of yourself and your efforts/achievements and being too prideful and thinking too highly of yourself without realizing it, so I become really self-aware of my own self promotion.

 

[Codaption]

Like my internet.

Real talk, modest approach is what works best when you're always worried about sounding even slightly egotistical or something T_T It's hard to know where to draw the line between being rightfully proud of yourself and your efforts/achievements and being too prideful and thinking too highly of yourself without realizing it, so I become really self-aware of my own self promotion.

Amen to that. I'm really good in comparison to most of my friends, but at the same time I have to keep in mind that I haven't played in any tourneys yet and would probably get my face punched in.