Hilt & Clowsui present: REVENGE - MIDWEST EAST V MIDWEST WEST ON STREAM 11:30 AM

[clowsui]

i'd rather have pool problems than bracket problems, because let's face it -- you have more chances in pools than bracket. jank pools don't happen with higher skill density, which this tournament seems to be shaping up to have.

also we would probably be pre-seeding for seeds 1 through 3, not 1 and 2. it'd certainly lend huge help to decreasing jank factor

48 man bracket has consistently shown itself to be a headache in my experience =/

 

[Roller]

Say there is a "pool problem" and somebody is seeded incorrectly [no matter how hard you try, odds are this WILL happen in at least one pool]. A (possibly 2nd seed) player is going to be knocked out of the entire tourney as a result, instead of just one side of the bracket which would be the case in a bracket problem.

If given the choice between a somewhat unfair situation costing them a tournament, or costing them winners bracket... I think most people would be more understanding/less upset about the latter.






Just something to think about.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

In all honesty, 48 man bracket (three players advancing from pools) is something that will be considered. It hasn't been 100% tossed out the window, but we are leaning more towards 32. But feel free to give opinions. The main thing I'm hesitant about with only two people advancing, is that that three people could tie for first, and one of those three people that tied for first won't make it out of pools. But that just has to do with how ties are decided, and can also happen with three people that tie for second seed.

I am not turned away from 48 man brackets by the same reason others are. A lot of people say "well, I beat more people in bracket than X, why do we have the same placement?". It directly has to do with what you place in pool, but a lot of people don't understand this. A 1 seed is a lot more of a cushion than it would be in a 32 or 64 man bracket. If you get a one seed and go 0-2 in bracket, you get 33rd. If you were a two or three seed and go 1-2 in bracket, you get 33rd. But in while this may not look fair, the player that got the one seed actually went 1-2 as well, because of the bye.

Anyways, I'm rambling. I'm going to consider 48 man bracket and Chi and I are going to talk about it. You won't have a solid answer until it gets closer to the event (as I mentioned in my last post).

 

[Exceladon City]

I'd personally do 48 because alot of people would probably lose interest over the steep pools criteria. Nobody is really trying to play super stacked pools only to make 3rd seed and not make it out. I could see Top 2 in a series of pools like the ones at Pound or Apex, but for a tournament that's like a regional, it would be best to follow through with something that's kinda standard.

 

[ShadowPhoenix951]

I'd go 48 as well, depending on # of people that show. Top 2 being the only players that make it out seems like a rather small number, especially considering how stacked this tourney looks like it's shaping up to be.

 

[Hylian]

It's a lot better for seeding purposes to have more people get out of a pool. Instead of having 2 or 3 get out of a pool, having 4 or 6 getting out of much bigger pools gives more accurate seeding and makes the bracket easier to seed as well. The point of pools isn't to cut down the amount of entrants, it would just be faster to do a straight up bracket in that case. The point of pools is to seed, and when you are only getting 2 seeds from pools then there really wasn't a point to doing them in the first place.

 

[Roller]

I completely agree with Hylian's post.

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

it doesnt matter i'm gonna **** everyone regardless

 

[clowsui]

We'll talk about it. I'm not entirely opposed to 48-man (osrry if it seemed like it), I've just had bad experienecs + jaded by sandbaggery

 

[@TKbreezy]

I'm not having a change of heart this time Chi. Sorry bro. I'm not going to be the one to keep putting my car up for all the wear and tear of long trips and since nobody else will do it I guess MD/VA ain't heading OoS as much as before.

 

[Seagull Joe]

I'm not having a change of heart this time Chi. Sorry bro. I'm not going to be the one to keep putting my car up for all the wear and tear of long trips and since nobody else will do it I guess MD/VA ain't heading OoS as much as before.

So are you still going to this?

I'd drive a 4 hour trip as would a few other Md/Va drivers, but 8 hours is quite a long time to drive by comparison.

 

[Roller]

He isn't going.









...unless somebody steps up.

 

[@TKbreezy]

So are you still going to this?

I'd drive a 4 hour trip as would a few other Md/Va drivers, but 8 hours is quite a long time to drive by comparison.

^what roller said

8 hours isn't **** and you guys need to stop being B****es and Man up.

HELL YOU DRIVE TO SEE CAITIE IN CHARLOTTE and thats at the very least 6 hours and 30 mins

either way I don't have a problem driving anyone elses car for 8 hours and they just sit and sleep or whatever they want (I am the best driver in MD/VA hands down) but I'm not going to keep putting MY CAR up for the trip everytime.

 

[Hylian]

8 hours isn't anything compared to some of the drives I've made lol.

It's a lot to do often but just for a tournament not bad.

 

[BPx]

I mean my trip was 13 hours each way to SiiS6, luckily I could meet up with everyone in StL, but I had to drive there(6 hours) by myself and in my car... :/

iowa y

 

[hunger!]

i vote 48.

 

[Arty]

Just do a round robin with all the entrants.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

70 man pool. Let's get it.

 

[Oro?!]

I would probably drop out after winning 5 boring *** sets.

 

[DtJ SquidBurrMoneyBurr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTm1HA2VLw

 

[clowsui]

wow @ 70 man pool

no.

oro let's talk about this fantasy bracket idea sometime i want to work it out a little more

 

[Exceladon City]

We'll talk about it. I'm not entirely opposed to 48-man (osrry if it seemed like it), I've just had bad experienecs + jaded by sandbaggery

Yeah, but by trying to cut out the sandbaggery, you're giving the D to all the 3rd-4th seed players who could have a chance to make it out. I know it's not a charity case but it does work out for the turnout and the likelihood of future attendance.

 

[clowsui]

we're DEFINITELY not doing 64 man. unless the attendance goes up like crazy.

but 48 man we will consider as the attendance list becomes more solidifed

 

[Roller]

Every single person who has posted on the subject has requested 48 man bracket. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Y.b.M.]

Haha yea Lets do 48...

So I can make it out of pools while having fun....

 

[clowsui]

Sorry to seem so wishy-washy but tentatively we've come to a verdict.

72 people or greater:
16 pools. Top 3 advance.

Ex: 72 means 8 pools of 4, 8 pools of 5. The pools of 4 will naturally be "harder" than the pools of 5.

71 people or less:
8 pools. Top 4 advance.

In other words,
We will now be running a 48-man bracket if it's 72 people or greater.
We will be running 32 man bracket if it's 71 people or less. However, top 4 will advance so this clears the issue.


We prematurely announced the 32-man without (seriously) considering 48-man. My deepest apologies to all attendees -- and deepest gratitude to those who raised their concerns.

Naturally, this also means that you all -- that's right, you the attendees -- have an even stronger responsibility now to intelligent decisions regarding your participation in the tournament. That means PLAYING YOUR POOLS MATCHES IN A TIMELY FASHION. That means PLAYING YOUR BRACKET MATCHES IN A TIMELY FASHION.

I have had a curse with 48-mans; every single one that I've been to or run myself has had a terrible efficiency problem. Here's hoping it doesn't happen again

 

[Roller]

No need to apologize, lol. You saw what the community wanted and were man enough to go back and change what you initially said accordingly. I see that as a positive quality in a TO. Good stuff Chi!

Hype for this!

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I mentioned awhile back that I'm going to be talking to certain people about assisting Chi and myself in TO'ing, since we're definitely going to need the help. In addition to this, though, we're going to be wanting to have pool captains that watch over feir pool, helping us make sure everything runs as it should. We won't be needing too much help in this (as I said awhile back, I'm not entering singles, so I'll be watching over everything myself), but it'll definitely be good to have a few hands on deck.

If anyone would be up to helping out in this, please let us know. But only if you 100% are willing to help. This will just be your own pool, we won't need you to run around the venue or anything. I don't like asking too much from those assisting me. But if you'd be up to assisting as a pool captain, just say the word. We'll get back to you on what we'd like to make sure gets done.

 

[clowsui]

off the top of my head i would like to see pool captains consistently reporting on their pool efficiency, making sure that they know where the pool sheet is + it's well updated, occasionally bringing the pool sheet back to the TO desk when they're not playing and other players are in the middle of their set(s) so that we can enter results

but we'll get into that more formally later

IN OTHER NEWS WIIS PEOPLE WIIS WE NEED WIIS

AND A FEW MORE TVS BLARGHFLARGALARBGAH

 

[Roller]

I can bring a Wii. TV is possible, but not 100% as of now.

I'm also willing to be a pool captain if you need me.

 

[clowsui]

sounds good @ roller, thanks for the help.

HYPE! Only a month away.

 

[Oro?!]

You know I will help out with TO shenanigans.

 

[Pimp Daddy Supreme]

i'll help out with bodying

 

[DtJ SquidBurrMoneyBurr]

stuff gio says

You already know.

 

[Exceladon City]

If you need me to be Pool Capt. I'll step up. Also, Ripple and I may be bringing a full set-up and an extra Wii...provided that he gets our T.V back from Future before this.

 

[Hylian]

Yay at top 4. Trust me it makes seeding a lot faster, easier and more accurate.

I am bringing a wii, possibly a tv but I doubt it. Depends on how many people go with us. I also help run whatever.

 

[Y.b.M.]

YAY! Now I can safely make it out of pools hehe

 

[DRDN]

Lol make the god ki pool and put it on stream

 

[clowsui]

you're about to get the worst bracket of your life with a 3 seed y.b.m

also hylian could you please sticky this? <3 i disagree w/ your point about ease of seeding btw...midwest has enough close-skill players that there are a bunch of ties usually -.- not necessarily faster either, larger pools in theory SHOULD be equally efficient as smaller pools but they take forever because people just wander. stupid. then again arcade gauntlet should fix all our problems w regards to locating players...

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Oh sweet Top 4. TC likes this.