High School Mafia: A BRoom Game moved to DGames

[Mediocre]

For example, I really trust Mediocre, but I find it strange he hasn't been killed yet. This isn't enough to suspect him, but I'm keeping an eye on him. Something might pop up later that adds to this. I'll seem pretty inconsistent if I "suddenly" suspect him then, but it's a possibility.

I find this odd too, honestly.

My only guess is that, among the active/knowledgeable players, there is at least one mafia member. They're keeping some of them alive to blend in more, because it would look awfully suspicious if, for example, I was a mafia member and everyone but me who had any experience with the game had been nightkilled.

I wasn't planning on drawing attention to it, since it's also possible that the mafia just decided to prioritize other people over me, but now that it's out in the open I figure I might as well expand upon my logic.

Out of the players who are active and/or experienced, there's at least one mafia member. That's my hunch, anyhow.

 

[Tom]

new page so i thought i would post vote count

Vote Count [5/10 to lynch]
Marc (3): Xsyven, Crimson King, Eor
Not voting (7): AltF4, Mediocre, Marc, Matunas, Yeroc, GoldShadow, KevinM

With 10 alive, it takes a majority of 5 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Monday, October 13th, Noon EST.
Everyone must vote by the deadline, per the new rule set on Day 3

 

[Eor]

The fact that Marc hasn't voted for me makes me suspicious, because that'd be the logical thing for him to do since he's attacked me since day 2. The logical reason is that he doesn't want to be the driving force behind the lynching of someone he knows to be a townie.

Besides that, I'm going to suggest that the staff might be the mafia. For a while I thought it would of been the "uncool" kids based on my character, but Matt's death and his own role would make me think differently.

 

[Eor]

Actually, looking over the roles I'm pretty certain that the staff are the mafia

 

[Eor]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5239283&postcount=23

nevermind I'm dumb

 

[Marc]

The fact that Marc hasn't voted for me makes me suspicious, because that'd be the logical thing for him to do since he's attacked me since day 2. The logical reason is that he doesn't want to be the driving force behind the lynching of someone he knows to be a townie.

If I were Mafia, wouldn't I know EVERYONE besides me and my partner(s) is a townie? Mic was more suspicious in my book and you seemed more useful to have, but I'm starting to doubt that. Could you try and explain why you suspect me this much?

 

[Crimson King]

I don't follow that logic. You wouldn't post confidently if you were mafia; we'd catch on to that too quickly. In fact, that post kinda goes with that same thing you've been doing: "LET'S GET THEM MAFIA, GUYS!"

 

[Eor]

After thinking things over, I've realized that I'm not playing this game correctly. I'm playing this game like it's one of the adventure games instead of a mafia game. I'm keeping too much to myself and relying too much on my own ability instead of trying to make the case to others, and I'm forgetting how much harder it is to "stake someone out" when all the conversation is public and time delayed, as well as the fact that people don't make many mistakes when not confronted.

However, as I'm tired, I'm not going to make a big post until tomorrow (probably afternoon), and not until after I re-read the thread. I'm just posting this now in case in the time it takes for me to do that people start to attack me and I'm accused of flip flopping.

 

[Marc]

I don't follow that logic. You wouldn't post confidently if you were mafia; we'd catch on to that too quickly. In fact, that post kinda goes with that same thing you've been doing: "LET'S GET THEM MAFIA, GUYS!"

Eor thinks it's suspicious I wouldn't vote for him, he reasons that that's because I know he's a Townie. The only way I would know that, would be if I were Mafia, in which case I'd know everyone I voted on would be a Townie. Get it?

 

[Eor]

Eor thinks it's suspicious I wouldn't vote for him, he reasons that that's because I know he's a Townie. The only way I would know that, would be if I were Mafia, in which case I'd know everyone I voted on would be a Townie. Get it?

You've missing a point, it's that you attacked me then didn't post, not just that you're not posting, which is odd.

On the other hand, re-reading the thread now.

 

[Eor]

by post I meant "vote"

 

[Marc]

Well, I've said I suspected you almost as much as Mic, which is the truth. It's likely you get my vote this time, but I won't vote till the deadline draws near. No point in doing that.

 

[Eor]

Ok, I'm going to start from the beginning. And except for ones where I have to, I'm just going to link to their post, so you can view it yourself and see exactly where in the thread the post is (just click the number on the separate page). Not as easy as just quoting, but it removes most of the confusion.

First off, not many people ever try to roleplay their roles. Sometimes they get posting restrictions that force them to (I forced the guy playing Bo Jackson to talk in third person in a game I had), but if not then people usually don't do it. However, a lot of people here have, so I'm not sure if the following are examples of "roleplaying" or just messing around.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5239621&postcount=26

Here, Eric could just doing his regular jokes, or he could be roleplaying being the gay kid.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5239691&postcount=27

Here, xsyven could just be ****ing around, or he could be "roleplaying" of being a girl. I could see Tom giving Xsyven a cheerleader role.

However, those don't really matter, I'm just posting in case the information will later be useful, or people with other roles can connect them or something.

The first important post is by Scav, who we now know to be mafia. I've never played a game with this role, but I've created one with a role very similar (actually it was the exact same, I just didn't know there was an exact name for it). In mine, the guy knew who the mafia was, and they knew there was someone trying to join them. The mafia could pick one person a night to be "checked' to see if they were the "traitor". According to scum wiki, the general uses of the role are either that he knows who the mafia is but they don't know who he is, or neither know and he has to investigate one person a night to see if they are mafia.

Tom goes to mafiascum a lot, so if anyone knows anything about how that rule generally is over there, please say so.

So, on to Scav's post. This is hard to read, as we don't fully know if he knows who the mafia are or not.

Now come on guys, let's use some logic. First, who do we think will be valuable later in the game? CK, Mediocre and Matt have very strong critical thinking skills. AltF4 has always struck me as very intelligent, and examines problems closely, befitting the programmer nerd he is

If he knew who the mafia was and was trying to get their attention, he could of done so by listing off the mafia players as "valuable" so they would realize he knew who they were. If he didn't know who the mafia were, then that doesn't help us much at the moment.

Eor, being a mod of the lighthouse, has played this game a *ton*. Who else has played extensively online? I've never played online, but I *have* played it in person a great deal.

Mentioning me, despite being wrong on the actual facts, though it doesn't matter. He mentions that he's played the game before in person.

And in those games, if you pick a person at random the first night, the Mafia is very happy. On the other hand, if we start applying logic right now, and force people to be "on the record" with their decisions, than it gives us REAL material to flesh out the mafia.

Nothing much here, just posting his opinion. I can't read anything from it.

So, people we know will be valuable:
Matt
CK
Eor
Mediocre
AltF4

People who are more active, and thus more of value because they provide material:
Goldshadow
Xsyven

People I don't know anything about, and are less active so far:
Marc
Omegawhitemage
KevinM
(I usually give people like this a pass the first round, since voting for them amounts to random.)

People I know who haven't posted yet:
Mic
Yeroc
Redcell

My wandering eye always falls first on people who a) appear to vote randomly, and b) change their votes often. With what little info we have so far, Goldshadow falls in this category, and is the only one we can make ANY justification for voting for.

So keep talking, everyone. But for now, Vote: Goldshadow.

The most important part, the list. This is either very useful if the first scenario about his role is correct, or completely useless if the second one is correct.

These are Goldshadow's posts up to that time.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5242675&postcount=46
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5243154&postcount=51

Goldshadow could fit Scav's description, and as he's on the lower tier it'd make sense for Scav to vote. More later.

Right after, though, OWM posts the following

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5243323&postcount=57

Which adds nothing. This could be a mafia tactic to keep active without contributing, he could be "roleplaying" the role of a person in the school newspaper, or he could just be doing nothing.

Actually I just jumped up to this part of the post after writting more below because I remember that Virgy replaced him and died. I guess it was either roleplaying or just posting.

Post by Marc

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5245185&postcount=67

His talk about "suspicous joker" could be an attempt to cast suspicion on Matt without being blamed for it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5250301&postcount=83

Here he wants Scav to stay around, though his logic is sound.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5250455&postcount=84

Eric voting for himself probably means he's innocent, unless he's the biggest douche in the world and used the hurricane as his excuse to make himself look town.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5251843&postcount=86

This post is odd, because he's not defending Eric, instead he's just saying we shouldn't vote for him yet, and that we should just wait. If we think someone is scummy, there is zero reason to wait, the longer we wait the more chance we have of forgetting. Besides that, the only person to post about Eric was Marc, who just said "I don't think that Eric is mafia". It's a very odd post all around.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5253591&postcount=90

Here is Xsyven just posting a small line agreeing with Mediocre, yet offering no new reasons, and without any definite reason, and we weren't close to lynching anyone, and no one was even commenting on Mediocre's post.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5276188&postcount=98

Out of the blue Eric changes his post for Goldshadow, someone who hasn't posted in a while, and without giving his reasons.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5276283&postcount=99

The important part of that is the very bottom. Is that a slip on Scav's part? If so, and we assume Scav does know who the mafia is (which is the only way it could be a slip), then it could clear Marc.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5276975&postcount=105

Marc's first list. I couldn't gleam anything from it, but it seems more like he posted it based on Scav's compliment and his want to be useful over any sinister purpose.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5277256&postcount=106

Eric gives his reasoning for voting for Goldshadow, though it is a while after his vote. But with the hurricane at the time, it's understandable. Not very suspicious.

Marc then continues to attack Mic, and while we know that Mic is town Mic was acting very suspicious, he had every reason to.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5282782&postcount=117

A useless post and he's targeting someone who is (generally) good at these games. Suspicious

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5282956&postcount=119

Scav basically admits that Goldshadow has good reasoning, but keeps his vote on him, despite all the other stuff going on. This could either clear Goldshadow, or Goldshadow could be mafia and Scav is keeping his vote in an attempt to say "HEY LOOK AT ME", and got night killed for it.

Also, notice the following.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5282959&postcount=120
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5283330&postcount=123

Both of those posts basically tell us Alt's character. Before that, the only post Alt made that could hint to it was the following

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5242653&postcount=45

Scav could of just immediately realized what character Alt-f4 was and realized that he was roleplaying (despite just about no one suppose to be roleplaying), or he already knew what role Alt-F4 had. Alt-F4 later "roleplays" being an emo, which basically shows that Scav hit the nail on the mark, instead of Alt just being an "indy" kid or just someone that's "not popular". Again, this could be Scav doing another "HEY MAFIA LOOK AT ME I KNOW THINGS ABOUT YOU" in order to get them to "target" him with their investigation.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5286042&postcount=128

Here's Alt being exactly what Scav called him on. Alt also posted in the good mood thread saying that he enjoyed roleplaying the role he had.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5290433&postcount=129

Could be roleplaying a "slacker" with the top part of the post.

Day 1 ends, and without knowing more about Scav's role there really isn't much we can gleam. In fact, if I had realized there would of been so little info I wouldn't of posted half of this, and I'm typing it up as I right. However, i'll just post this now, and start Day 2. Give people something to read? I dunno

 

[Eor]

So, Day 2

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5326066&postcount=173

Mediocre says that with apparent confidence, despite us not knowing what version of the role Scav had.

Virg takes over the role, and we get the following

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5354396&postcount=188

If Virg was basing one of those off of his role, then that just means that one of them isn't the godfather

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5357924&postcount=196

Now that is more interesting. If, say, Virg say that Alt targetted Scav (I don't think he could, but he could see that Alt was doing something), then it's a possibility that he used that to make his claim.

Also, around this time the day is close to ending, and I didn't unvote Marc. That was based on ignorance, I was barely reading and didn't realize I had almost killed him.

The day ends with a no lynch, thanks to KevinM
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5405852&postcount=218

Which is absolutely terrible. No lynch after day 1 is almost always a horrible plan, it's better to just lynch someone then to not lynch anyone. Very suspicious.

Then, there are all the Marc posts.

I originally voted for Marc this day to see what Alt-f4 would do. If he had immediatly unovted for Marc, then I'd of thought he was clear. If he had continued to post in favor of lynching KevinM, then I'd of considered both Marc and Alt-f4 mafia. However, he didn't post. And I didn't think Marc was suspicious.

However, I stopped responding to see how it played out, again playing it like it was an adventure game instead of mafia. So, here's my response to Marc's post.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5419883&postcount=238

When you are a Townie and you suspect someone is the Seer, YOU DON'T POST THAT UNLESS THAT PERSON IS IN DANGER OF GETTING LYNCHED. It's like saying who the Mafia should go after. I suspected Virgilijus had a special role and thought it more likely that it was a good guy role, but at the same time he was attacking me, so I was confused. I decided to wait it out and not go after him and risk killing the Seer.

Please explain how you got from his posts that he was the Seer. Please. That's too much to just guess.

Both night kills so far have been pretty good.

Except for the first one where they killed their ally, right?

Not really, it's far more riskier for me to stand out than be one of several active players. What's happening right now pretty much proves my point. I enjoy playing the game, so I wouldn't take out all good players right away, but I realise that I can't back that up right now.

I said you wouldn't be in danger of getting killed by them, not by the town. Yes, taking a leadership position is pretty risky thing for a mafia to do, but it's also a thing a lot of mafia try, especially if they're rather new to it. Just because it might be risky doesn't mean no one that tries to be a leader is mafia.

Virgilijus voted me and got killed right away. Isn't that a bit TOO convenient? I hope you get it this time.

Nope. It could be a frame of you, or you realized he might of had a role, night killed him, and decided to use the "it's too obvious" defense, which is pretty common.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5461614&postcount=269

It wouldn't make things too easy, because he might not have to roleplay his character.

Mattunas starts to post, and I like his posts. I don't find him suspicious.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5490526&postcount=296

Here, Mediocre makes a big post pushing to vote Mic, a townie. However, Mediocre never really mentioned voting for Mic before, and this only comes up after someone else does. He also switches his opinion and decides that there is "very slim" evidence against Marc, despite earlier saying it was "too perfect".

He then makes a reference to Fog, saying that he trusts my hunches. I'd like to point out he never did

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5507438&postcount=316

Here is Mediocre again, saying that we shouldn't vote for Marc (but not defending anything specific about him), and then again saying "we should wait". He then mentions that he wasn't too keen on lynching Mic, yet he made one of the big posts against Mic. In fact, he basically pushed the lynch out of Marc's ballpark and into Mic's.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5510921&postcount=321

Here Mediocre makes an odd post, saying he finds it odd he hasn't been killed yet. Why would the mafia possibly kill him? He's intelligent, but he hasn't really done much at all so far, the biggest of which is his post to lynch Mic.

In the end, my suspicion list is the following.

Marc- For his leadership, claims of knowing what role Virg had, then saying that the mafia must of also realized it independently, then killing virg and immediately saying "it's too convenient". He has also attacked me for the votes, but has yet to vote for me.

Mediocre - Posts scarcely, keeps on advocating to "just wait" on the lynches, which just drags time off. Made several posts I find very odd, as I mentioned before. Made a pivotal post against Mic. Assuming he's mafia, then it was because he saw an opportunity to change the vote from Marc to someone else and pounched.

Alt-F4- Random posts, Scav (might) of known his role beforehand and shown that Alt was mafia and Scav was. However, that is all guesswork, and so is not strong of a suspicion. His character, however, if definitely suspicious on it's own, and his posts have generally been very light on anything substantial.

KevinM - Forcing the town into a nolynch day 2, which is a terrible thing to do. He might of just been misinformed

Xsyven - Nothing concrete here, I just feel weird about his posts

To be honest, I'm not sure who to lynch. I have the list above, and find Marc the most suspicious. But just about everyone else but Mediocre on that list is voting for Marc. Medicore is largely based on whether or not Marc is mafia.

With all that said, I'm going to keep my vote on Marc, because I think that's the best thing for me to do. More people need to post.

 

[Eor]

Well, I've said I suspected you almost as much as Mic, which is the truth. It's likely you get my vote this time, but I won't vote till the deadline draws near. No point in doing that.

And here is Marc doing the exact logic Mediocre pushed for. Every time we've waited till the deadline, we had last minute changes (one by KevinM, another pushed by marc and mediocre) to lynch someone else.

 

[Eor]

I forgot to include why I guessed at people's roles.

Basically, I can see no correlation between them. I was hoping to be able to see something, but I see nothing at all.

 

[Matunas]

Simply because I'm not used to there being many more special roles in a game this size. Also, his behaviour. I think he tried not to be overly active, but he actually wanted to play, which cost him because everyone was being quiet. His posting style was a bit suspicious to me at first, but then I realised it was mostly because he attacked me, so I figured he'd have a Seer-like role.

I don't have time to post anything extensive at the moment (hopefully after work) but I would like to point out that I asked the same question to Marc about how he came to the conclusion of the seer role. The above was his response. Up until now I've just kept it as information in the back of my head, but I have to say I don't agree with the logic.

After that massive post from Eor I'll try to get something up when I get home.

 

[Mediocre]

Eor, I don't feel the need to address most of your post, but there are a few specific points relating to me that I feel I should respond to.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5490526&postcount=296

Here, Mediocre makes a big post pushing to vote Mic, a townie. However, Mediocre never really mentioned voting for Mic before, and this only comes up after someone else does. He also switches his opinion and decides that there is "very slim" evidence against Marc, despite earlier saying it was "too perfect".

I voted for Mic not because I felt he was super suspicious, but because I thought he was more suspicious than Marc. I wasn't going to bring up another person to lynch - all that would have done is caused a distraction, while enough posts stayed on Marc to get him lynched. I didn't see any reason to think Marc was mafia (and I still don't), but I thought Mic looked moderately suspicious.

You know my style, in both mafia and adventure games. I'm generally too cautious for my own good. I don't like voting for someone until I feel sure that they're an enemy. But I knew we needed to lynch somebody, and I thought Mic was a better option than Marc. At that point, the question wasn't "Oh, who should we lynch?" There wasn't enough time for that. It was "Should we lynch Mic, Marc, or have a no lynch?"

I went for Mic.

He then makes a reference to Fog, saying that he trusts my hunches. I'd like to point out he never did

I definitely did, by the end. I was **** pretty confident you were right about redcell. I just didn't want you to be the one to pull the trigger. I saw no benefit from you being the one who killed her when you had three perfectly capable soldiers with you.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5507438&postcount=316

Here is Mediocre again, saying that we shouldn't vote for Marc (but not defending anything specific about him),

There wasn't anything to defend specifically against.

All the people who voted for him claimed to just be operating on hunches. Personally, I think that's enough reason not to vote for him.

and then again saying "we should wait". He then mentions that he wasn't too keen on lynching Mic, yet he made one of the big posts against Mic. In fact, he basically pushed the lynch out of Marc's ballpark and into Mic's.

Again, I made that argument because it was a choice between lynching Marc and Mic, and I felt that Mic was more worthy of it.

I made that pretty clear in my original post where I pushed for Mic's lynch that I wasn't confident in it. As I said in that post, and as I've said before in this one, there was a choice between Mic and Marc. I didn't have the luxury of voting for the person I was most suspicious of. Besides, although Mic wasn't the perfect lynch candidate, there wasn't anyone in the game that I was more suspicious of than him anyway.

But in mafia, just because you're not sure if the action you're taking is the right one doesn't mean you shouldn't act. That never works out well.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5510921&postcount=321

Here Mediocre makes an odd post, saying he finds it odd he hasn't been killed yet. Why would the mafia possibly kill him? He's intelligent, but he hasn't really done much at all so far, the biggest of which is his post to lynch Mic.

Neither has anyone else. By my reading of this game, none of the townies have yet done anything publicly to hurt the mafia. Yet the mafia seems to be nightkilling the most active, influential and experienced players.

By that standard, there are a few people who I'm surprised aren't dead yet, myself being one of them. I'm not going to name names, just because I don't feel the need to add to the mafia's hit list, but it's been pretty clear to me since maybe day two that that was the mafia's strategy.

The only reason I can see for them giving it up is that one of the mafia members is hiding among that active/experienced group of players, and they don't want to deprive him of his camouflage.

Mediocre - Posts scarcely, keeps on advocating to "just wait" on the lynches, which just drags time off.

There's no reason to lynch somebody as soon as he's got enough votes. The town can only benefit by waiting until the deadline gets closer before committing to a lynch.

 

[Mediocre]

I don't have time to post anything extensive at the moment (hopefully after work) but I would like to point out that I asked the same question to Marc about how he came to the conclusion of the seer role. The above was his response. Up until now I've just kept it as information in the back of my head, but I have to say I don't agree with the logic.

After that massive post from Eor I'll try to get something up when I get home.

I agree that Marc's insistence that there is a seer role is a little odd, but I don't see how it would make him mafia. The mafia wouldn't know whether there was a seer either.

 

[Crimson King]

Well, Eor, I had my doubts about you at first, but I really doubt the Mafia would go through THAT much time just to make them innocent. Regardless, you won me over with that. I am sticking with Marc, just because really he seems to love leading us in odd directions. At the very least, he is working with the Mafia, which we really don't need.

Eor did bring a valid point with KevinM getting us to nolynch on day 2. I will have to watch his posts a little more before coming up with anything conclusive.

 

[Mediocre]

At the very least, he is working with the Mafia, which we really don't need.

What do you mean by this?

He can't be working with the mafia unless he is mafia himself.

 

[Eor]

TOM HATES jokes

 

[Tom]

i gave Eor permission to edit out what he said in that last post. dont worry about it, it was just a joke.

 

[KevinM]

Eor I pulled for the no lynch because I figured killing off one of the only active posters who had brought a lot of people out of their stupor and given them something to talk about with only 2 votes would be a stupid move to let slide. If it was anything else I wouldn't have tied it, but to kill someone with 2 votes when 7 or 8 at that point were needed is not needed.

 

[Matunas]

I agree that Marc's insistence that there is a seer role is a little odd, but I don't see how it would make him mafia. The mafia wouldn't know whether there was a seer either.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that he was, just responding to Eor’s question and stating that I felt it was odd. There are plenty of power roles that could or could not be present in this game and specifically feeling it was the seer out of all of them is out of place. To me his reasoning doesn’t hold up.

As to Marc talking about Mic not defending himself earlier, I had the same thought when he was lynched. Personally I’d attempt to save myself from a lynch if I thought it was at all possible. I chalk this up to his recent lack of interest in the game and a new player mentality.

Not trying to defend Marc with either of these statements. Only to state my train of thought on both. I’ll get to him later in this post.

I forgot to include why I guessed at people's roles.

Basically, I can see no correlation between them. I was hoping to be able to see something, but I see nothing at all.

One of the things I’ve been trying to figure out is the potential roles. We’ve seen no obvious vigilante work, had zero roleclaims, and seen two vanilla townies get killed. The single power role we’ve seen had no chance to investigate, or at least no chance to come out and state his observations in the open. And the one mafia was (sort of) independent.

I’m sure Tom would want to have the most balanced game possible seeing as he has run Mafia before and plays on other sites. The reason I’m still stuck on this at the moment is Matt. He was revealed as a vanilla townie – the class clown. I’m guessing he took his role restriction on himself seeing as he couldn’t lose/gain any abilities from failing this restriction. If there is some other outcome from failing this restriction as a vanilla I’d like to know what it is. It makes me wonder if AltF4 has taken on his “goth” type restriction upon himself or is forced to talk that way do to role reasons. Trying to figure this out and hoping someone might be able to add to it.

Alt has posted very little in this game and therefore it’s really hard to gain any information on him. On day three he only posted twice. The first was to vote for KevinM, for his tying vote, and again to vote for Marc. So far he hasn’t posted at all on day four. I’ve thought about voting for him based off of inactivity and to put a little pressure on him, but at this point I feel we need to have a lynch that will gain us some concrete information.

This brings me, again, back to Marc. Part of me wants to vote for you so we can get your alignment out in the open. It feels so clouded as to where you stand. Are you taking the leader role to have guidance among the townies or are you mafia trying to lead us astray? Because as of right now it’s only caused dissension and confusion. I know what you are trying to do, but it hasn’t been working and you still stick with your position.

Right now I feel we have such a small amount to go off of I’m not surprised people are voting off of hunches. I don’t agree with it necessarily, but what else is there to base votes on besides suspicion and guesses?

Marc if we do vote for you, we have previous vote records of yourself, those against you, and plenty of posts from everyone to go off of. If you’re town, then it helps to solidify KevinM’s position and allows us to look into those who were against you. If you’re mafia then it gives us information from your voting record, Kevin’s saving you, and who you were specifically targeting. Plus we’d have lynched a mafia. I think at this point, unless something major happens by the deadline, you’re our best shot at getting something out of the day.

So no, I’m not sure who to suspect, so I’m looking at it from an angle as to how we can find out the most from what we do have. Right now I’m holding off on my vote, but willing to state that if nothing else changes I’ll be voting for you based on what I’ve stated above.

 

[GoldShadow]

A couple of things have struck me, especially looking back on Eor's post.
For starters, Marc. During the last vote, I was on the fence about Marc, but ultimately decided there was not enough information to say he was mafia. Of course, Virg confronts him and gets nightkilled. The mafia can play this off as "but Marc's not that stupid! It's too obvious. It was mafia trying to set him up".

This is exactly what Medi said here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5420190&postcount=240

Marc has consistently taken a very aggressive stance, going so far as to make a list and make a short but spirited, "Rah Rah Go Town!" speech. He is active and takes a leadership role.

It makes sense that the mafia would try and go after all the people who are most outspoken and present the largest threat; unless the outspoken are themselves mafia. The first nightkill victim was Scav, for obvious reasons. He was very active. Virg was seemingly killed because he confronted Marc, and I explained this in the first paragraph. Why wouldn't the mafia go after the remaining, seemingly obvious picks? Namely Marc or Medi? Instead, they go for a "soft" target, Matt. Matt made a few good posts and a lot of (amazing!) jokes, but I would definitely not say he was a threat. Why go after him when there were better targets? Simple. The "better targets" are mafia. Medi points this out here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5507438&postcount=316


During the last vote, Marc came very close to a lynch. Medi repeatedly defended him, instead trying to throw suspicion onto Mic.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5507438&postcount=316

I'm saying that Marc appears to be mafia, and that Medi could be mafia as well. After all, if someone points out seemingly contradictory mafia actions, they are less likely to be seen as mafia and more likely to be seen as town. I think the fact that he's strongly defended Marc at every turn is the most suspicious behavior, especially considering that Marc has certainly had his share of suspicious behavior.

 

[GoldShadow]

Almost forgot:

Vote: Marc

 

[Xsyven]

...so, if I don't make a huge 30 page post, are you guys gonna lynch me?

 

[Mediocre]

...so, if I don't make a huge 30 page post, are you guys gonna lynch me?

Hah. This is just the style a lot of people adopt when they're trying to make a compelling, reasoned argument. I got into the habit back when I was more active in the debate hall, and I've carried it over into mafia.

You don't have to make huge posts, but I would appreciate it if you (and a few other people) would make the reasons behind your actions a little more clear. You've been somewhat better at this recently, but I still think it would help everyone figure this game out a little better if you, AltF4, and CK would go a little more into depth about your reasoning.

 

[Marc]

Glad to see some more activity.

I never said I was sure about Virgilijus being the Cop, I just thought there was a pretty high chance that he was. Him being a replacement, his behaviour etc. Let's just say it was a hunch that turned out to be right, you all love hunches, right?

Of course the Mafia hasn't killed me, I almost got offed twice already and don't expect to live through this day. My death would solidify KevinM's and Mediocre's position. I've been thinking from the start "if Mediocre is Mafia, we'll probably lose". He's been the perfect Townie so far, the only thing that stands out is that he hasn't been night killed yet.

Crimson King: Unless this game has multiple traitors, there's no way for me to be anything else than Townie or Mafia. I'm starting to think you have a role restriction "to not make sense".

 

[Tom]

vote count because L-1

Vote Count [5/10 to lynch]
Marc (4): Xsyven, Crimson King, Eor, GoldShadow
Not voting (6): AltF4, Mediocre, Marc, Matunas, Yeroc, KevinM

With 10 alive, it takes a majority of 5 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Monday, October 13th, Noon EST.
Everyone must vote by the deadline, per the new rule set on Day 3

 

[Marc]

What's "L-1"?

EDIT: Oh, it probably means one more vote till lynch. Never mind.

WTF ONLY ONE MORE VOTE OMG

 

[Yeroc]

I'm neither defending Marc nor condemning those who are attacking him, but man this is awfully one-sided. Also, I'm not going to hammer him unless I see just cause for doing so. He's not that suspicious to me yet.

Vote: Alt to see what he has to say for himself.

 

[Xsyven]

Speaking of Alt, where has that guy been?

 

[Yeroc]

It seems I have just a bit more time on my hands then I thought.

I apologize for being so brief, time constraints, but I really would like to hear from Alt before the day is over.

 

[Eor]

Unovte:Marc

While I still have him as the most suspicious, I'm also a little wary about it. The evidence is fine, but I don't have a gut feeling saying he's mafia. If he is, then there's no real harm in letting him live another day if we get another. If he's town, then we don't have much to go on except for lynching me, but I'm town.

Alt, however, doesn't post much, yet almost everyone seems to have a negative opinion of him. Not many people are voting because he doesn't post, but unless we pressure him he won't. I still think Marc is suspicious and want to keep an eye on him, but unless Alt posts and is completely satisfactory I think he's a safer lynch.

Vote: Altf4

 

[AltF4]

**** you guys! I'm busy deciding which trench coat to wear to school today.

I don't have to defend myself.

Vote: Marc

I still get a bad vibe from him. I mean, just look at his avatar! I said he was Mafia a long time ago, and he nearly got voted off but didn't. I think he's been barely getting by for a bit too long.

 

[Crimson King]

That's rather odd of you to say. I get you are meant to be some psycho, goth kid, but uhh, I don't really know what to make of that.

Unvote: Marc, only because I am starting to question AltF4 now.

 

[Eor]

Yeah that gave me no reason to unvote

 

[Mediocre]

C'mon Alt, give us something to work with here.