K I did me some rereading of RR so I can get the juice for why I didn't like em and here's what I got for ya:
Not gonna use this as huge leverage toward my scumRuy read, but there is literally not a stance in the world to be found in either of these posts aside from the fact that J had town vibes from Xonar. The only thing to be assumed that this stems from is the either the whole him and Jim at the beginning fiasco or him with Werekill business. Regardless, it's a very easy stance to make about a player, especially considering the fact that there's literally no substantiating on it from em. He (was) my hydra partner in a-game-that-doesn't-exist, and lemme say that he DEFINITELY had enough time to be at least kinda attentive to this game, but rather than doing so, he leaves us with these gems of information. All in all there's a whole lot of nothing to be found in here, when I KNOW he could have substantiated at least a little.
And here's what we get from Ruy on his return to the game: 1st line is kinda le duh given that a.) EVERYONE'S been saying it, and b.) the whole PM fiasco. 2nd line isn't backed up in the least, and is clearly just thrown out there (which will be even more obvious in his "epiphany of townWL" post). 3rd line is regurgitation of what I said, but still I GUESS it's a stance. And hey telling yourself I GUESS it's a stance is a really bad friggin thing when you're looking at the first real post from a player so yea.
So WL's play reminds em of UTrick'd2 where he was indy (still, no detail -.-). Cool story. Werekill's wagon doesn't show much, whatever no biggie either way tbh... But the third line, looking at it again, is really off base. He asserts his opinion that there's a serial killer in the game, and tbh I had similar confusion as to the definition of FBI AGENT, but never did I assume there were two indy factions. I just got clarification that FBI agents are basically indy cops and then I was all good. Ruy, on the other hand, is asserting his opinion of there being a Serial Killer, and iirc this isn't the only time he does this. Confused town? Possibly, but unlikely. And of course he can't get around the abductor idea since there's obvious reason to believe the presence of one. The assertion of there being SK is just really tripping me out, and especially since he's not openly wondering if people can see the possibility of there being SK initially. He just... says it.
Show me the substance. I dare you. Of course, I knew he was on a phone so I didn't really think much about the matter... But then he gets on a computer and still a lot of NOTHING.
Here's a post well into his being on a computer (studying johns before this so yea) and still... bupkis. I mean yea here's something that looks nice and whatnot but it's ultimately bupkis.
Here's the epiphany post I was talking about. His suspicions on Laundry earlier were fueled by meta...? Whatevz, no biggie... It's just the fact that I don't see ANY of this in Laundry to begin with, and even if it's legit, I don't see why Ruy would go out of his way to correlate that shiz with this Laundry here. It does seem like A LOT of work to do, tying all of that together and making an entire meta suspicion from it. Some might say... it's FORCED. Hell, there's really very little reference, if any at all, to how any of this meta could have possibly related to his play in this game. But it definitely makes sense, assuming for a second that Ruy is indy, for him to get a legit shiz scumread on a player that can't defend himself and has been taken away from the game until the abductor (he himself) dies...? And then of course he was called on it, looked back and realized there wasn't really much to call out on, and gave up the read. He says that when he looked back and read it again that none, absolutely NONE of his meta speculation out of the PLENTY that he had, matched up. Well, considering the fact that he had to initiate a reread to acquaint himself with the game to begin with, I don't see how that can line up, having SO MUCH against him, and that dwindling down to realizing NOTHING in his argument works for em. It's almost too far fetched and unbelievable.
This bugs the crap out of me looking at it again:
With this logic, he should be almost certain of a JTB town read, which I guess with dumbing my sense of legitimacy down can seem legitimate. And hell even after I attack his line of thought he DEFENDS his line of thought:
Yet...
...he hammers his town read? Now I know what you're thinking, cuz I thought it too. How can a scummy be so belligerently inane and do something like this? Well think about it: It's committal, it looks like something that town would do (especially his little justification portion at the top of the third quote). But it's totally contradictory to his previous defense of JTB. Mafia behaviour? Nah. Indy/abductor behaviour? Very VERY possible.
All in all, do I see mafiaRuy? Not a chance, there's def other avenues to look down. But abductorRuy is looking VERY VERY possible in my eyes. Just look at the N1 abduction choice, Laundry. I don't think there's anybody here that can stray from the thought that Laundry played a very townie game D1, as well as there probably not being anybody who'd say that Laundry can't be a threat. But, looking from the abductor's POV, you have Ryker, EE, and Xonar who were very outspoken D1, moreso than the likes of Laundry, and very likely being that those three would be having protection. An indyRuy KNOWS about how Laundry can be, so it's a very safe thing to go ahead and abduct em and get em out of the way before he can really get any suspicion on you. All in all, I see indy written all over Ruy this game. So please, join me in stockpiling some votes on this kid.
