Hacking, Cheating, And just plain Dirtyness

[9Kplus1]

someone should just make a poll about this debate and see which side will win.

Eh, I'll try it, all in favor of AR users say ,I . Me: I
All opoesed say ,nay.

 

[Gileril]

He didn't pwn anyone. He's merely pushing his opinion (and it is nothing more than that) harder than the rest. It's my opinion that the focus of pokemon has always been on raising pokemon, so from my worldview hacking is wrong.

His opinion is that everyone should have AR so that he can have more perfect pokemon scenario battles, and mine is that nobody should have AR so that I can see who did a better job of raising their pokemon. Both scenarios would level the playing field in the end, but neither will happen so it's a moot point.

Another observation- if we were playing an mmo AR advocates would be the ones on the test servers endlessly trying perfect character pvp, while the non-hackers would prefer to level up the long way and find their own items. It's all just a difference in preference. AR users might not understand how I can get joy from seeming monotony, and I can see why; if you look up what the perfect something is, you become dissatisfied with what you have. I don't look these up, and I have a lot of fun trying to figure it out for myself and testing my creations.

So because I don't support AR will I whine about it? No. I'm a true gamer through and through. I will not give in and hack my pokemon, nor will I show any discrimination in who I battle. I have faith in my ability to win against non hackers and hackers alike using my pokemon I raised from the ground up.

 

[titus]

Well, I didn't read past the second sentence of your response but im sure it was important since it's your ninth post in almost two years. and when i said the thing about him pwning ppl, i was merely pushing my opinion.

@Celebi
i meant an actual poll, but anyways "I".

 

[CaliburChamp]

If nintendo gave all pokemon 31 IV's in every stat we wouldnt be having this argument. Why dont they do that? It would make the game alot less annoying. And why did nintendo have to include natures to affect battles? Its like nintendo is pushing us to use AR's. In the next game of pokemon they should have EV's that you can see in the game, and all pokemon with max IV's, as well as natures not having anything to do with battles. As for hidden power, hidden power should be based on nature, but not IV's, or at best make Hidden power customizable in the game. Until then, I will continue using AR on all pokemon games.

 

[commonyoshi]

Oh, but I did pwn. ^_^

I agree with Gileril about how our opinions will change depending on our perspectives of how the game should be centered. He thinks raising his pokemon is the most important so he'll battle the Elite 4 over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Fine by me. I dont care. However, it's that type of playing that has turned most gamers, including me for a while, off pokemon because of its repetitiveness. I wouldn't even own a copy of Pearl if I hadn't descovered Smogon and competitive battling two years ago. I'm a brawler so I'm going to use AR. Sure, I cant say I'm very good at it, but that's what I like about the game.

I respect you a whole lot more though because you dont expect everyone to follow your chore list of raising pokemon.

I'm a true gamer through and through. I will not give in and hack my pokemon

I'm sorry, but having the mindset that you should go raise your little pokemon for hours and hours and hours and hours does not make you a "true gamer" and the rest of us not.

Off Topic Edit: Everyone, go watch the movie "Music and Lyrics" staring Hugh Grant and Drew Barrymore. (I think I spelled their names right) It is one of the funniest romantic comedies I've ever seen. Watch it! Go go go go go!

 

[Gileril]

Commonyoshi you misunderstood me, I don't think I'm a true gamer for raising my pokemon the normal way, nor do I think I'm a better gamer for it. I'm a true gamer because I don't care if my opponent cheats or not. It makes no difference to me. I never said I'm better than cheaters- I am better than people who whine and throw in the towel because of it. If I start whining about soandso cheating I'm already admitting to myself that I can't win. And I don't take delight in battling the elite four over and over- nobody does. I can't stress enough that I don't know what the best pokemon are, nor do I know what the best qualities for every pokemon are. I take delight in figuring it out for myself and trying different combinations that I make.

edit: someone pointed out I had very few posts- I've been on smashboards as a reader for a long time and usually don't post. I picked up pokemon diamond two weeks ago (my first pokemon game since silver), and started reading this board a few days ago. So nice to meetchya

oh and one thing that I would have strong feelings about is the pokemon copying glitch. I think the GTS is a great innovation and having it clogged with pokemon I want being offered for lvl 9 and lower dialgas is irritating.

 

[KratosAurion192]

It is all opinion here. If I had the time and will power I would raise some from scratch... but I don't... And there is only two games I have ever cheat on. Pokemon, to catch the party I want, And SSBM, I LOVE playing on the debug levels... It is great...


My problem here is we have people who are calling the hackers scum, and that they suck and that they are worthless. There are people who enjoy the work, but there are also people who want to get right into the battle. AR allows for both to be happy... and in the long run... isn't happniess all that matters? **end cheesy comment**


Now if you all excuss me, RE4 Wii editions professional mode is calling my name...

 

[fluffy]

i use pokesav now to make my party. the only gay thing i do is give max IVs but i always distribute 510 EVs and nothing more so my pokemon are as close to being legit. i always beat my friends and its a good feeling cuz they keep trying to beat me (like thatll ever happen). i dont tell them i use AR but dont tell them i do haha.

and KratosAurion192 is right. happiness is all that matters. cheesy but true.

 

[titus]

@Gileril
yeah, i figured that either you stopped going on smashboards or you just read. but thats the kind of attitude that i like to see. since evryone that has been against AR has called AR users n00bs and whatnot, then why are they whining? it should be easy to beat the AR users then shouldnt it?

@fluffy
you only give max IVs? lol. i just give the parents of my team max IVs, lol.

 

[greenblob]

Will anyone's opinions change after Competitor is released?

 

[titus]

why would they?

 

[pikachun00b7]

Will anyone's opinions change after Competitor is released?

Most people might like DP better. Unless Competitor has the same animations, music, ect.. it wont really feel as fufilling DP. However, I would use it to experiment teams. When I have a good team, I'll then put an uberly long code in an AR.

EDIT: A little bit of topic but how DO you make your preferred pokemans thru the AR. Like edit everything. EVs, IVs, nature, ect.

 

[Deleted member]

i really dont like other people that use ar. they battle, but they did not go through the same trouble that you did to raise your pokemon. most of them suck anyways, cause they get the strats all wrong. its like making money through prostitutes compared to actually working. AR people make me sick, even if you breed a legit while making parents maxed out in ivs. AR people are scum(yes, SCUM!)
if you want to use itt for personal use, then go ahead, but if you want to battle with them, then you are just....scum

 

[Zantetsu]

I think hacked pokemon are ok to a certain extent. Like having spritomb with wonderguard is jsut wrong. But i think hacked pokemon with any move kinda gives u more stradigy in choosing what moves to have on a pokemon. I have a celebi with surf adn stuff like that and alot of people are fine with ti

 

[commonyoshi]

Ninjask with Spore and Thunderwave... and Sheer Cold.

i really dont like other people that use ar. they battle, but they did not go through the same trouble that you did to raise your pokemon. most of them suck anyways, cause they get the strats all wrong. its like making money through prostitutes compared to actually working. AR people make me sick, even if you breed a legit while making parents maxed out in ivs. AR people are scum(yes, SCUM!)
if you want to use itt for personal use, then go ahead, but if you want to battle with them, then you are just....scum

Yeah, they didn't go through the same trouble because they aren't stupid enough to waste all that time doing so. >_> If you choose to walk a mile, and someone beats you because they choose a car, it's your own fault.

Um, prostitutes?

And I hope you refrain from calling people "scum" over a simple video game. You know what's worse than cheating on a game intended for pre-teens? Having a bad attitude and mocking everyone who doesn't believe the same thing you do over a game intended for pre-teens.

 

[pikachun00b7]

My response in bold.

i really dont like other people that use ar. they battle, but they did not go through the same trouble that you did to raise your pokemon.

Anyone with an IQ above 65 will not go threw dozens of hours doing something if they can do it almost instantaneously. I really can't imagine someone will hate them. If you want to train your precious hours that is fine by me, but you probably have TOO MUCH free time

most of them suck anyways, cause they get the strats all wrong. its like making money through prostitutes compared to actually working.

Before you argue, can you learn how to spell stats. As I said ARers can achieve the samething trainers do. So the accurate metaphor would be: "ARers are the Pimps, Trainers are the whores." The thing is this IS very accurate since the whores have to work, whilst the pimp rarely does.

AR people make me sick, even if you breed a legit while making parents maxed out in ivs. AR people are scum(yes, SCUM!)

Scum?! People doing things QUICKLY are scums? Whilst people doing the same thing,
but with unnecessary hard long steps are honorable? I think it is a matter of sensibility and
extreme stupidity.
if you want to use itt for personal use, then go ahead, but if you want to battle with them, then you are just....scumIt is spelled with one T. ARers usually don't want to experiment, they want to battle NOW. Training sucks monkey balls. If you want to suck monkey balls; then go ahead, but don't call people scum if they do not like that taste.

NOTE: It is a **** video game! No one cares about how much pride you have doing countless hours of hard work on it.

EDIT: ****, commonyoshi beat me to it. Commonyoshi is a super pimp. Killing all other pimps with his pimp gun. Honestly, Pokemon DP are very good games, and have an even better Metagame. But the hours of **** you have to do before you start battling isn't worth it. I think that ARers may be better then trainers because if they want to change their teams they can do it in several minutes, trainer will take several weeks( If they have a little bit of lives, months,).

 

[9Kplus1]

Maybe, the people who hate AR users aren't as lazy as the ones who actually use ARs, most AR haters think that AR users are all lazy, but 9 times out of 10 some of them aren't. Practically all AR users don't hack their pokemon by like giving them 5000 exp until they're at lv 100, but then again some do, why? Because they don't really have all that time and patience to EV train on the daily basis. In Pokemon Gold I used my brother's AR and I was soooo happy, I mean having 999999 Rare Candies just made you want to be lazy or walking through walls is an even GREATER thing to do, ARs help open up more things in the game such as glitch cities, legendaries and let's not forget that all too popular.... Missingno, although you didn't need an AR back then, you do now.I don't use ARs now (I have NO money to even buy one) but I have something like it, cloning. Off the pokemon a bit, but whenever I play Metroid Prime Hunters on wifi, I just want to use an AR and pwn everyone, I won't overdo it by giving myself everything though.

Long story short, you can use an AR to train and breed, just don't use it to the point where no one wants to battle you but most hackers battle other hackers to test their Hacks against each other. People who don't hack, just leave the hackers alone and battle with other People who don't hack and if you ran into someone like that... wait here's something that happened 2 days ago when I battled some one on wifi.

I send out Espeon
Catarpie gets sent out
Espeon uses Psychic
Catarpie has Wonder Gaurd
Catarpie uses Sheer Cold,
I quit and never said anything again.

You see just ignore the hackers if battling them make it obvious that they hack. Just walk away , hopefully this'll end this thread.

 

[greenblob]

I agree that the vast majority of Pokemon is in the battling and teambuilding and the breeding and training is all preliminary, but still, breeding all of your own Pokemon is commendable. Sure it's trivial and boring, but then anything that requires "hard work" is trivial and boring.

I say once Competitor is out, the perfect Pokemon should stay within Competitor while the DS and its Wifi should be used for non-hacked Pokemon.


This isn't a good analogy since, as I stated, the meat of Pokemon is (oh haha, I said "meat of Pokemon") battling and team-building. But you could say that using AR to get perfect Pokemon is similar to using AR/autofire/modded controllers (pick and choose depending on how much of an AR abuser you're comparing this to) in a Smash tournament. Again, this doesn't pertain all the way into Pokemon multiplayer, but still, you're giving yourself a huge advantage.

 

[commonyoshi]

I'd have to disagree that using hacks to mod your controller for Smash is completely different from using hacks to get your pokemon perfect. It's different because Smash is an action based game based on reflexes, and Pokemon is a game based on strategy. If you're cheating by boosting your performance in Smash, that's a problem just like it would be cheating in Pokemon to have someone make a custom team for you.

 

[Deleted member]

Ninjask with Spore and Thunderwave... and Sheer Cold.



Yeah, they didn't go through the same trouble because they aren't stupid enough to waste all that time doing so.

no, they just felt reluctant in trying to get through legitimately. Most people have enough time.[/COLOR]


If you choose to walk a mile, and someone beats you because they choose a car, it's your own fault.

That statement was irrelevant, unless you were talking about battling, in which the person who used a car represents an AR user who cheated. i probably misconceived this, but could you further clarify your point on this.

Um, prostitutes?
Yep
And I hope you refrain from calling people "scum" over a simple video game

If it was such a simple game, why use AR?

. You know what's worse than cheating on a game intended for pre-teens?
Read E for EVERYONE. Oh, so you do admit it is cheating.

Having a bad attitude and mocking everyone who doesn't believe the same thing you do over a game intended for pre-teens.

i don't mock peoples beliefs. i just mock those who say its alright to cheat on games in which preteens like me are affected by. i am fine with people using it for their own personal use. however,(sorry about the post positive grammar freaks) I am annoyed when i go to a tournament, and one of the idiots use a hack, until caught midway, and we have to start the tourney over in one half. also, i have seen hacks bypass nintendo's blocks in the wifi battling tower, killing my record of 173 wins

btw, how do i have a bad attitude?
CY, how do i make the commentary on the quotes like yours?

 

[commonyoshi]

AR people make me sick... AR people are scum(yes, SCUM!)...
you are just....scum

;^_^

It's Whatever you want bolded here[*/b]
Take out the *. And I'm not going to comment on your replies until you make it easier to read.

 

[Deleted member]

;^_^

It's Whatever you want bolded here[*/b]
Take out the *. And I'm not going to comment on your replies until you make it easier to read.

Whyd you quote me again. this time for no reason. i fixed my previous message now

 

[MasterMatt]

AR losers are idiots.. they would rather spend more money on a game which is designed for children (thats what you said yoshi) then just play it... i mean if it is just a childrens game then why spend an extra 20 bucks on it? that seems more foolish than just playing pokemon without cheating...
thanks tshahi10, at least someone agrees with me that AR users are scum...
and yoshi, i think you need to take that chill pill, along with some other pills...

 

[commonyoshi]

You asked how you had a bad attitude.

no, they just felt reluctant in trying to get through legitimately. Most people have enough time

That has nothing to do with it. Yes, I probably have enough time to get that pokemon with perfect IVs, but why should I? All it is is repetitive button pressing you could program an 80's computer to do. Why not just hack and spend my time doing something fun?

That statement was irrelevant, unless you were talking about battling, in which the person who used a car represents an AR user who cheated. i probably misconceived this, but could you further clarify your point on this.

No, you didn't. AR gets you to the same point as someone who plays for 1000 hours in ten minutes. If you can get a DS and D/P, you can get an AR. Threrefore, you CHOOSE not to get one. (Unless it's sold out at Toys R' Us or something.)

If it was such a simple game, why use AR?

Because it is boring! What do you think humanity has been doing throughout history? Sitting iddly by doing the same nonsense over and over? No, we have built machines to do our work for us. We have maximized efficiency while increasing productivity. And why are we supposed to spend hours of our lifetime doing something as useless as breed for IVs when we had an obvios, easy way of getting around it? Battling is the whole point of the game, and AR doesn't infringe upon that in the slightest, if you know what you're doing.

Oh, so you do admit it is cheating

Right. And it's a good thing I cheat. This isn't like school or anything important like that. It's a children's game used for entertainment. I feel perfectly fine cheating at this.

don't mock peoples beliefs. i just mock those who say its alright to cheat on games in which preteens like me are affected by. i am fine with people using it for their own personal use. however,(sorry about the post positive grammar freaks) I am annoyed when i go to a tournament, and one of the idiots use a hack, until caught midway, and we have to start the tourney over in one half. also, i have seen hacks bypass nintendo's blocks in the wifi battling tower, killing my record of 173 wins

No, you did by calling everyone who didn't play like you wanted scum.

Which is exactly why EVERYONE should have an AR. But some dont and expect everyone to follow their chore list so they ban people who weren't dumb enough to make the same mistakes they've made.

As for the hacked pokemon over battle tower... Battle tower sucks. I dont care.

AR losers are idiots.. they would rather spend more money on a game which is designed for children (thats what you said yoshi) then just play it... i mean if it is just a childrens game then why spend an extra 20 bucks on it? that seems more foolish than just playing pokemon without cheating...
thanks tshahi10, at least someone agrees with me that AR users are scum...
and yoshi, i think you need to take that chill pill, along with some other pills...

Yeah, I would spend $50 on Pokemon and have a lot of fun rather than spend $30 and not have any real fun at all. (the in-game part of pokemon bores me. It's all about battling people) I dont see how that makes me stupid at all. Do you drink soda or anything other than water? Well then that's stupid, under your logic, because you just paid extra on a liquid.

Why should I take a chill pill? I am dainty perfect.

 

[greenblob]

Well, once Competitor comes out, AR use in tournaments should be dropped. With Competitor, there really is no point in hacking since you can get your Pokemon immediately. Most of the serious tournaments will be on Competitor anyway (from reading around random competitive Pokemon forums).

 

[MasterMatt]

Yeah, I would spend $50 on Pokemon and have a lot of fun rather than spend $30 and not have any real fun at all. (the in-game part of pokemon bores me. It's all about battling people) I dont see how that makes me stupid at all. Do you drink soda or anything other than water? Well then that's stupid, under your logic, because you just paid extra on a liquid.

Why should I take a chill pill? I am dainty perfect.

actually, i only drink water...
it makes you stupid because you pay extra money on a childrens video game!
do you only drink water?

 

[frenchfri]

it makes you stupid because you pay extra money on a childrens video game!

And it doesn't make you stupid because you spend extra, unneeded time on a children's video game?

 

[KratosAurion192]

Next person to call anyone scum is going to fall victim to my report button, no matter what side you are on...end of story...

The facts:
Non-AR users are hellbent on believing in pride in what they do, take this game in that fashion, and have all the time in the world to do so and because of that, they think everyone has that time, willpower, and even likes doing that.


AR users are the ones who know what they want, and go for it ASAP because they either don't have the time, or the patience for training. The ones with actual intelligence create legit-enough pokemon that can be used for battling online and at tournnments.

Neither is wrong... the people who are wrong are the ones accusing someone else of being stupid or wrong or scum... If you can't get that through your head you might just need some kind of sugery on your skull...

 

[commonyoshi]

actually, i only drink water...
it makes you stupid because you pay extra money on a childrens video game!
do you only drink water?

But at least I enjoy the children's game now. I wouldn't without it.

Next person to call anyone scum is going to fall victim to my report button, no matter what side you are on...end of story...

The mods will laugh at you for this.

 

[KratosAurion192]

The mods will laugh at you for this.

**shrugs** i'm just tired of them saying that..I mean they could at least say something new...

 

[MasterMatt]

all right yoshi i am sick of arguing, so lets agree to disagree... as long as you enjoy the game that is all that matters, and as long as i enjoy the game, even if it takes much longer, that is all that matters... someone should just end this thread now... i think everyone has told their detailed opinion on the matter...

 

[9Kplus1]

wow, I feel lonely, Yoshi hasn't quoted me yet.... isn't that a good thing?

 

[MasterMatt]

wow, I feel lonely, Yoshi hasn't quoted me yet.... isn't that a good thing?

what side are you on? do you want yoshi to quote you... it is easy to do just make fun of yoshi in some way and he will quote you, just watch i bet he will quote me on this... he might not now because i said that he would..

 

[9Kplus1]

^_^ Meh, I really don't care if someone uses an AR but the fact that someone uses it against you like some noob boils my blood. But really, I'm on the non(not anti) -AR side.

 

[MasterMatt]

^_^ Meh, I really don't care if someone uses an AR but the fact that someone uses it against you like some noob boils my blood. But really, I'm on the non(not anti) -AR side.

i can agree with you on that, no one should abuse AR... that means when we battled that one time you beat me fair and square!

 

[commonyoshi]

wow, I feel lonely, Yoshi hasn't quoted me yet.... isn't that a good thing?

You, shut up.

what side are you on? do you want yoshi to quote you... it is easy to do just make fun of yoshi in some way and he will quote you, just watch i bet he will quote me on this... he might not now because i said that he would..

You, shut up too.



Everyone dance.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, once Competitor comes out, AR use in tournaments should be dropped. With Competitor, there really is no point in hacking since you can get your Pokemon immediately. Most of the serious tournaments will be on Competitor anyway (from reading around random competitive Pokemon forums).

Whats competitor. mind telling me?

at least we didn't flame in this thread. i think someone should move this to the debate room



CY. i'm glad that i dont have to shut up

 

[greenblob]

Competitor is DP's version of Netbattle.

 

[9Kplus1]

You, shut up.

Hey, I'm not saying anything against hackers, so why do I have to shut up?

 

[Vicious Delicious]

mmhmm... before people discovered that resetting your battle pass on PBR enabled ubers, online battling without collecting FCs was really great. Now... not so much, PBR's online system is full of ubers now it seems..

Maybe that's a bad example, but in general, having an unfair edge over your opponent via AR, hacks, etc... just dirty