SOVAman
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Well yea, but no one runs tourneys for free or not to make money
except like tant
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Growing MD/VA's scene
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except like tant
SOVAman
Smash Hero
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Kaffei
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in all seriousness, where is Chu? Is he gonna have more biweeklies? :S
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Luckay4Lyphe
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So...after going over this thread, nothing was really properly addressed after like...page 2 lol. So let me try this out...
**** people complain about in MD/VA:
- Lack of space in venues
- No advertisement on AiB
- The need for more locals
- Venue fee
- Seeding
- The timing of events
- All about $
- Attitudes of pros/noobs
This is probably most of it, but I can offer my 2 cents on other things as well.
tl;dr: Deal with it or go home. Hosts should have an idead of attendance beforehand to accomadate this.
tl;dr: copy and paste events on SWF on AiB as well.
tl;dr: we don't need more smashfests/events. just make your way to what's available now or hold your own stuff. Otherwise shut up.
tl;dr: make venues $7 or give people their money's worth in every tourney. Or just go to the next one.
tl;dr: seed fairly and quit trying to change the bracket in your favor.
tl;dr: Plan ahead if you want great attendance at tourneys.
tl;dr: It is about the money. Get yours sawn.
tl;dr: Treat others the way you want to be treated, and encourage the community.
My 2 cents.
So...after going over this thread, nothing was really properly addressed after like...page 2 lol. So let me try this out...
**** people complain about in MD/VA:
- Lack of space in venues
- No advertisement on AiB
- The need for more locals
- Venue fee
- Seeding
- The timing of events
- All about $
- Attitudes of pros/noobs
This is probably most of it, but I can offer my 2 cents on other things as well.
In regards to lack of space, just get bigger venues. Honestly, if you plan to have 25 people coming to your event, then plan to have space to accomadate these people. Otherwise, shut up and play or leave. It's really a common sense concept. For example, at the 5 guys tourney, it was crowded as crap yet people still came and enjoyed themselves. So for a reason to why MD/VA is dying is because of a lack of space, then I have to think it has less to do with the community and more of a personal thing.
tl;dr: Deal with it or go home. Hosts should have an idead of attendance beforehand to accomadate this.
AiB is also a reliable source for finding new people and growing the scene here in MD/VA. Honestly IDK why people don't use it. I understand everyone is on SWF but AiB does have a base of its own as well. A lot of newer players are on there verses on here (I knew of AiB before SWF). So if you want to run more sucessful events and want new faces to show, advertise on AiB as well.
tl;dr: copy and paste events on SWF on AiB as well.
The need for more locals and smashfests come with a price. For one, location. Not everyone can make it to west bubble**** for a smashfest or tourney. Because of such, neutral locations are desired. People should start looking for Metro accessible locations to maximize attendance. If the person can't drive then it gives them another avenue of reaching the event (unless they're lazy. then it really ain't worth it). And the thing is with more locals, it requires more money involved as well. Would you rather get 1 great tourney turnout for $10 venue fee or 3 sub par ones for $5 venue each. you do the math. IMO what we have is suitable. Smashfests are held but you have to make an initiave to make it to these things. Or if you really want to be a help....hold your own tourney/smashfest. Once you witness firsthand the stuff you go through to have one (as well as electricity bill), then maybe you'd appreciate what events are held in the first place.
tl;dr: we don't need more smashfests/events. just make your way to what's available now or hold your own stuff. Otherwise shut up.
Venue fee...sheesh. I kinda covered it above, but you have to have these regardless. Whether they're $10 or $5, is that really a deterrant from attending? If so, then you should probably invest in a job rather than smash. Since $5 is too low and $ is too high...just make it a dumb number like $7 (this was the reason why I chose $7 for my event mind you). Sure, it won't be such a clean number, but I'm sure people will appreciate the $3 they saved. Compromise goes a long way. I will say this though. $10 should be a excellent event, such as Xandau or Tant's event. It's one thing to put up ten and enjoy yourself, but another when you go 0-2 and just get ***** by everyone else in friendlies.
tl;dr: make venues $7 or give people their money's worth in every tourney. Or just go to the next one.
Seeding is really up to the TO. Just use the rankings as a guide and go from there. What doesn't need to happen is other players trying to manipulate themselves into better places to advance. Tht **** ain't fair for others. Let the brackets be when they come out. The only issue should be crewmates and even there if you're playing for money, it shouldn't really matter.
tl;dr: seed fairly and quit trying to change the bracket in your favor.
Sometimes events just have bad timing. Hosting a small tourney after a huge one really isn't a good idea, especially if you want people to show. SInce MD/VA is poor, their wallet shave to recouperate before another event is placed. So my suggestion is hold them at least a month for notice. The best thing I did with my tourney I think is postpone it from July to October. It gave people time to plan for it and to get ready for it. So if you want a good turnout, give people a heads up beforehand and you can probably alleviate half the johns you hear from people.
tl;dr: Plan ahead if you want great attendance at tourneys.
So its all about $ right? Yes, it really it. I mean, money makes the difference between the top pro and the neighborhood champ. A pro can put money up and make it in return, while a neighborhood champ can't. Let's face it; money makes the woruld go round, and most people who don' have it r standin still. I can't think of any events off the top of my head that didn't involve some type of revenue, so why would smash be any different? Pro players earn their top placing so they expect more than a cograts. Venues cost so you can't make them free for everyone. Money is a factor in almost every aspect in life so for a statement to be made that its always about the money, then you're stating the very obvious.
tl;dr: It is about the money. Get yours sawn.
Lastly, the attitudes of people. Pro players have this elistist attitude and noob players have this attitude til their pride gets shoved down their throat. Let's face it, no one wants to be treated like a stepping stone (even if they are one in your eyes). As such, respect is only earned when you give it. However, some people think that their pride or talent of the game can excuse them for the lack of respect and that's a blatent lie to themselves. It's because of this principle that people can't stand one another in this region and it's really inmature. To be honest, I hate everyone but I also respect everyone. A little respect can really make a difference, regardless if you're good or bad at this game.
With that said, I can understand the points of both noobs and pros. nobs think that they aren't really welcome and stay to themselves but you have to be cordial these days and show that you want to get better. Otherwise you'll always be the stat giving money for someone else while you're 0-2. If you want to get better, learn from every *** kicking you get and get better. Flip side, pros can't be held responsible for bringing up everyone who enters the community. If that were the case, we'd have more competition. But when people do come for help and genuinely want to get better, you can't have this diva attitude either. That is what turns off noobs and hurts attendance from others in the first place.
With that said, I can understand the points of both noobs and pros. nobs think that they aren't really welcome and stay to themselves but you have to be cordial these days and show that you want to get better. Otherwise you'll always be the stat giving money for someone else while you're 0-2. If you want to get better, learn from every *** kicking you get and get better. Flip side, pros can't be held responsible for bringing up everyone who enters the community. If that were the case, we'd have more competition. But when people do come for help and genuinely want to get better, you can't have this diva attitude either. That is what turns off noobs and hurts attendance from others in the first place.
tl;dr: Treat others the way you want to be treated, and encourage the community.
My 2 cents.
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
Didn't know you were streaming it :/ Day said it was ok and she didn't tell us(At least I didn't know) I mean, we're bringing some good equipment: web cams to see players and commentators, + 2 head sets for commentators. I mean you're obviously free to commentate on our stream. Maybe you should've PM'd me and we could've worked something out
What tournament stream have we ever taken from you in MD/VA?TKbro;11926598[COLOR="Cyan" said:
The last MD/VA streams we've done were Xanadu(our own tournament), UGZ before pound(Our own tournament), and Pound, I can't recall any other MD/VA tournaments we streamed last year. So could you please explain to me what you are talking about? How did we take away streaming from you in MD/VA? lol, we only streamed 3 tournaments all year in MD/VA to my knowledge. And if we did some how take away streaming from you(Which we didin't) why didn't you just contact us instead of holding it in and being passive aggressive about it?
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
@Omni: Look of disapproval
oh, and about the $10 venue thing:
we don't always do $10 venue, and we give discounts for people who give set ups. Remember profit isn't the only goal. A substantial profit that can make it so the events can get better and better is the goal. People seem to completely disrespect TOs and I find that disgusting. IT's hard work organizing a tournament(Even local) mainly because you have to constantly check the threads you made on different forums to keep people informed and continue building hype. It's stressul.
why do players deserve $10 from each person from placing top 3 but TOs don't deserve $10 per player(They don't even get all of it since they need to pay the venue) renting a venue is a risk reward situation. If the venue cost 100 to 150 you need 30 people to barely break even(with the $5 venue) Also, One of the complaints was that the venues were too small. If a venue is too small, you need to be willing to pay extra venue fee to get a better venue
remember, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with small venue fees. People like Tant who don't do it for the money should be praised. But others shouldn't be frowned upon because they are trying to make a profit, when they are using the profit to make tournaments better, Especially when there are ways to get your venue fee cut in half(by bringing a setup)
oh, and about the $10 venue thing:
we don't always do $10 venue, and we give discounts for people who give set ups. Remember profit isn't the only goal. A substantial profit that can make it so the events can get better and better is the goal. People seem to completely disrespect TOs and I find that disgusting. IT's hard work organizing a tournament(Even local) mainly because you have to constantly check the threads you made on different forums to keep people informed and continue building hype. It's stressul.
why do players deserve $10 from each person from placing top 3 but TOs don't deserve $10 per player(They don't even get all of it since they need to pay the venue) renting a venue is a risk reward situation. If the venue cost 100 to 150 you need 30 people to barely break even(with the $5 venue) Also, One of the complaints was that the venues were too small. If a venue is too small, you need to be willing to pay extra venue fee to get a better venue
remember, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with small venue fees. People like Tant who don't do it for the money should be praised. But others shouldn't be frowned upon because they are trying to make a profit, when they are using the profit to make tournaments better, Especially when there are ways to get your venue fee cut in half(by bringing a setup)
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@omni LOL this is what i read also
@GIMR
it says it on the front page if you actually read it...I streamed the last one...why would I stream this one?
you guys also cut off from streaming atleast 2 of the tourneys at Ultimate gaming...and after that I really just stop bothering to stream tourneys (that and the fact that everyone was getting a dazzle oversaturating the Streaming industry thus making me "retire")
I'm not being passive agressive about s**t. it was whatever before because I wasn't really caring because I still got to commentate...but now you nigahz is stepping into my turf...I pretty much made it a mission to be at and stream every SiiS that goes down. but apparently Day doesn't care so **** it.
tbh all that webcam commentator **** isn't important. this is a one day tourney and that **** is going to be chaos because there will be no order like the way you guys had it at Apex
and My wii is still going on the Main TV...as long as that happens then you can do whatever with the stream.
I also have the same set-up 2 headsets webcam pretty strong laptop...I just don't use the webcam because that seems over the top for a 1 day, mostly unsupervised Commentary booth.
@GIMR
it says it on the front page if you actually read it...I streamed the last one...why would I stream this one?
you guys also cut off from streaming atleast 2 of the tourneys at Ultimate gaming...and after that I really just stop bothering to stream tourneys (that and the fact that everyone was getting a dazzle oversaturating the Streaming industry thus making me "retire")
I'm not being passive agressive about s**t. it was whatever before because I wasn't really caring because I still got to commentate...but now you nigahz is stepping into my turf...I pretty much made it a mission to be at and stream every SiiS that goes down. but apparently Day doesn't care so **** it.
tbh all that webcam commentator **** isn't important. this is a one day tourney and that **** is going to be chaos because there will be no order like the way you guys had it at Apex
and My wii is still going on the Main TV...as long as that happens then you can do whatever with the stream.
I also have the same set-up 2 headsets webcam pretty strong laptop...I just don't use the webcam because that seems over the top for a 1 day, mostly unsupervised Commentary booth.
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
every ugz we Live streamed(I think it was only one) has been a tournament we co-hosted. So we obviously have dibz on the stream. Plus we weren't told by anyone that you were supposed to stream.
Let's move this to PM and see if we can work this out
@TKbreezy
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theres nothing to work out..stream the tourney.
just don't be on that unreliable crash **** like apex.
just don't be on that unreliable crash **** like apex.
tldr ending:
gimr: i'm a mild mannered white male seeking to resolve this conflict in private. do you wish to proceed (although inevitably victory shall be mine)
tko: **** i'm black and there's nothing i can do. i give up. UGH THE WHITE MAN HOLDING ME DOWN
gimr: i'm a mild mannered white male seeking to resolve this conflict in private. do you wish to proceed (although inevitably victory shall be mine)
tko: **** i'm black and there's nothing i can do. i give up. UGH THE WHITE MAN HOLDING ME DOWN
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
lololololol..
@ Gimr I totally agree with you there.
But I think people frown upon TO's that use venue fee for there personal use and not contributing that towards the community. After all, alot of players don't know what kind of work TO's put forth towards organizing a tournament. This is why people don't attend tournaments hosted by Chudat or Seagull. (I mention Seagull because he held a tourney and increased the venue to like $20 to help him save for another tourney.) If players don't feel like they had a good experience for a tournament, they make assumptions towards how they feel about the person organizing it.
I try
Trust me, in no way was I trying to step on toes in my post. I just addressed the main issues rather than disregard it and not have a solution.
The discount thing is fine. I did that myself as well for my tourney. When I mentioned Xandau, I was actually complementing you and VGBC. The tourney was ran well, everyone enjoyed themselves, and you got your money's worth in that 10. I actually encourage the discount thing for every tourney since it makes things go smoother and helps with running the tourney smoothly.
All I'm saying is that people should try to accomadate it they can. If you have to pay 150 for the venue and can't afford to do $5, then so be it. But that doesn't mean get rich at the expense of the other smashers as well. That "crabs in a bucket" concept is dead. Btw I agree with the small venue thing as well.
Pretty much what Takeover said...
Freezewish
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Nova are you gonna be running any more tournies at that venue in Landover?
metalmonstar
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Lol, at TO's making money being a problem with the community. I am sure once word gets out that you can make almost 25 dollars a Saturday by running a tournament, everyone will start doing it. You can make more money mowing lawns, shoveling sidewalks, or working at Mcdonalds than you ever could hosting a tournament. It simply isn't worth giving up a Saturday if you are doing it for the money.
It makes sense to me that a TO should make money. You pay people to provide you with a service. A TO is providing you with a service.
Money gives a person an incentive to run tournaments but it also gives tourney goers a power over the host. You support a tournament host/venue with your money.
I find 10 dollars to be a little high, but I don't think it is unreasonable for places that are large, have chairs, and plenty of setups. If you don't like it don't participate in those events. There is really no need to complain about it on message boards. I know there is such thing as buyer remorse, but is a game forum really the place for that.
I wish I could hold tournaments again, I feel like I have some good idea for pricing and allocating setups that I would like to try out.
It makes sense to me that a TO should make money. You pay people to provide you with a service. A TO is providing you with a service.
Money gives a person an incentive to run tournaments but it also gives tourney goers a power over the host. You support a tournament host/venue with your money.
I find 10 dollars to be a little high, but I don't think it is unreasonable for places that are large, have chairs, and plenty of setups. If you don't like it don't participate in those events. There is really no need to complain about it on message boards. I know there is such thing as buyer remorse, but is a game forum really the place for that.
I wish I could hold tournaments again, I feel like I have some good idea for pricing and allocating setups that I would like to try out.
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
yea that was a pretty **** tournament.
Freezewish
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TheTantalus
Smash Hero
Matt, the HCC venue was absolutely fantastic for the last tournament we did (shoot almost a year ago now.) That's a great venue not too far from where I live and there is no reason you couldn't run a regional tournament there.
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
Sure will. I have to wait until march though; basketball leagues are held in that location during the season. I was trying to hold a smashfest during the break but real life didn't allow me to.
Laijin
Smash Hero
Everyone.
I have a thread you need to read. It will allow you to fully understand where the smash community stands when it comes to TOs making profit from tournaments. Maybe this will help some of you understand this.. The thread itself is a very good read
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=292064
I have a thread you need to read. It will allow you to fully understand where the smash community stands when it comes to TOs making profit from tournaments. Maybe this will help some of you understand this.. The thread itself is a very good read
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=292064
SOVAman
Smash Hero
I made wayyyyyyyyy more than $25 lmao
we made hundreds, my fellow TOs and I
so you won't make more mowing lawns trust me (if you know what you are doing and collect fees)
B0NK
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^^^ also note that was done with a $5 venue fee, waived fee for bringing set-ups, at venues with tables and chairs, and not even OoS attendance (and Veterans had TONS of space)
There is plenty of potential to provide a tourney that people will love and make money without sometimes ridiculous venue fees.
There is plenty of potential to provide a tourney that people will love and make money without sometimes ridiculous venue fees.
metalmonstar
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You had 63 people show up, that is certainly not the norm otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. You also had a good deal with the venue. At most you made 315, but you said "we made hundreds" implying you split it. So I think your hundreds is an exaggeration much like my "only make $25 was."
I would say 20-40 people is much more realistic attendance to expect. So with a five dollar venue fee you are making 100-200 dollars. At a house venue that is pretty much pure profit. At a low end venue you are looking at a 50 - 150 dollar venue cost. In this scenario losing money is a real possibility depending on the cost of venue and attendance. Most TO's aren't going to add break even analysis to their list of task to do to set up the event. Your high end event places (usually places that cater and host weddings) your looking at around 300+ or a per person charge. Not much room to make money there.
My analysis on the whole idea of making tournaments as a business is this it is a okay idea if you really like gaming and the community. It is a lot of hard work and you really need to reach into other communities to be profitable. If you are going to start a tournament business now is a good time, but you are still a little bit behind.
Working on Saturdays is guaranteed money, it doesn't waiver with increased cost and/or decreased attendance. I probably spend like 3 hours setting up Friday night and like an 1 hour of last minute stuff on Saturday. Then it is like 8-12 hours of working the event. It isn't tough work but it can be draining. The biggest downside is that attendance is never a guarantee.
So lets not be unrealistic here and say some hundreds of dollars is waiting for everyone and anyone who host tournaments. It just doesn't happen, I would say that after running quite a few tournaments you would find your average to be around 50-100 dollars. You are going to find in most situations having an actual job to be the better financial choice. Also you can't reasonably run a tournament every week whereas you can work every Saturday. I could argue the lawn mower thing but again that wasn't my point.
As for the other issue. Posting on AiB is really simple and should be done but I haven't really found it to bring in more attendance. I also found that AiB people are less likely to show than Smashboard members.
I think new members should be the focus. What is happening is we aren't replacing the members who quit with new members. People are going to quit playing for one reason or another, it happens. We need to be more welcoming and more aggressive in our pursuit of new members. This really to me falls on the TOs more than it does the community. The community should of course help, but the TO is responsible for being the driving factor to getting new people to come to tournaments. I think local schools are the main place TOs should focus their attention. From then I would hang around local hobby shops.
I know NWC hasn't gone to many tournaments. Mostly my fault really, but we have been to some and we are getting more and more people interested in competitive smash...competitive gaming in general. We have a group that practices Soul Calibur and SSF4. We have two kirby and a marth main who are interested in getting better and want to go to events. To be honest I have no idea why they want to get better and compete. We mostly play free for alls at HCC, we didn't shove no items 1v1 down there throat, but somehow they began to desire this.
So my advice for TOs, find local players and play free for alls with them. They will notice you are better than them. Maybe ask you how you got to be so good. Tell them but don't gloat. If you have another tournament going friend use them to discuss tournaments while you are around potentials. Once a person desires to get better it is only a matter of time until you have a group of players wishing to get better for one reason or another. If you make their first tournament a good one then you have got em.
I would say 20-40 people is much more realistic attendance to expect. So with a five dollar venue fee you are making 100-200 dollars. At a house venue that is pretty much pure profit. At a low end venue you are looking at a 50 - 150 dollar venue cost. In this scenario losing money is a real possibility depending on the cost of venue and attendance. Most TO's aren't going to add break even analysis to their list of task to do to set up the event. Your high end event places (usually places that cater and host weddings) your looking at around 300+ or a per person charge. Not much room to make money there.
My analysis on the whole idea of making tournaments as a business is this it is a okay idea if you really like gaming and the community. It is a lot of hard work and you really need to reach into other communities to be profitable. If you are going to start a tournament business now is a good time, but you are still a little bit behind.
Working on Saturdays is guaranteed money, it doesn't waiver with increased cost and/or decreased attendance. I probably spend like 3 hours setting up Friday night and like an 1 hour of last minute stuff on Saturday. Then it is like 8-12 hours of working the event. It isn't tough work but it can be draining. The biggest downside is that attendance is never a guarantee.
So lets not be unrealistic here and say some hundreds of dollars is waiting for everyone and anyone who host tournaments. It just doesn't happen, I would say that after running quite a few tournaments you would find your average to be around 50-100 dollars. You are going to find in most situations having an actual job to be the better financial choice. Also you can't reasonably run a tournament every week whereas you can work every Saturday. I could argue the lawn mower thing but again that wasn't my point.
As for the other issue. Posting on AiB is really simple and should be done but I haven't really found it to bring in more attendance. I also found that AiB people are less likely to show than Smashboard members.
I think new members should be the focus. What is happening is we aren't replacing the members who quit with new members. People are going to quit playing for one reason or another, it happens. We need to be more welcoming and more aggressive in our pursuit of new members. This really to me falls on the TOs more than it does the community. The community should of course help, but the TO is responsible for being the driving factor to getting new people to come to tournaments. I think local schools are the main place TOs should focus their attention. From then I would hang around local hobby shops.
I know NWC hasn't gone to many tournaments. Mostly my fault really, but we have been to some and we are getting more and more people interested in competitive smash...competitive gaming in general. We have a group that practices Soul Calibur and SSF4. We have two kirby and a marth main who are interested in getting better and want to go to events. To be honest I have no idea why they want to get better and compete. We mostly play free for alls at HCC, we didn't shove no items 1v1 down there throat, but somehow they began to desire this.
So my advice for TOs, find local players and play free for alls with them. They will notice you are better than them. Maybe ask you how you got to be so good. Tell them but don't gloat. If you have another tournament going friend use them to discuss tournaments while you are around potentials. Once a person desires to get better it is only a matter of time until you have a group of players wishing to get better for one reason or another. If you make their first tournament a good one then you have got em.
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KORNNNNN~
Smash Master
uh... md/va community is quite dead has nothing to do with Brandon and other TOs made good amount $ at 5guys tournament
that tourney was legit, I'm sure almost everyone love the tournament without any problem... lol
that tourney was legit, I'm sure almost everyone love the tournament without any problem... lol
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Woah Alan. What the ****? I've only hosted one tourney before and it was 10 venue. People kept getting mad if it was 5 or 10 so the majority said 10. Check the old thread...I never tried to host a tourney for profit. C'mon now...I have a job for that ****. I had to pay the library a fee and for the electrical cables required to reach tvs and outlets. I made like 10 bucks in total. Why did my name come up at all :/?
I don't want to host a tourney again because you people complain too much about what you want and I don't want to be a deciding factor for something like money that is constantly the main thing bickered about.
>____>
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
Seagull don't get mad.
The only reason I brought your name up because me, zak, and some other people wanted to come to your tourney. Your venue was originally $5 but then you raised the venue to either $10 or $15. After your decision there were a list of people that just cancelled coming and you only had a few people come. Like why would you raise the venue at the last minute?
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Not mad. Zak said everyone at Danny's wouldn't go because they were tired of tourneys and far away in bowie (only 40 minute drive from there to eldersberg). Xanadu was the week before my tourney and Tant's was the week before that. They said they went to too much tourneys that month and wouldn't go regardless. The people who did show interest only would go still if it was 10/10/10. So, I did that. I planned weeks ahead of time. I asked people on smashboards, xat, and aim what they wanted and would they go given blank circumstances for etc...I got ****ed over for my first tourney I hosted because too many tourneys were that month and people are indecisive. I try to cater to people's needs, but they wouldn't go regardless.
TheTantalus
Smash Hero
Zak is very good at "politely" saying no
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
Sova and bonk, you guys ran great tournaments and the venue fee was awesome, but you gotta be fair, the fact that they were in greenbelt and that a bunch of green belt smashers came played a major roll in your numbers. please don't pretend that 5 dollar venue fee was the only major factor. hell, tants tourney had a 5 dollar venue and 50 people showed up but a bunch of them were oos. because it was so far north not as many locals showed up. I bet if Tant ran a tournament in green belt a bunch of players would show up too. once again, I'm not trying to bust on your tournies, they were awesome