Exactly why I play Ness
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weon - X
Smash Ace
im waiting to see if diddy has 2 bananas
I wanna see what they do with MK
idea
Smash Master
i wanna play ike but that's like the in thing to do these days
also zelda, but she's kind of spacing based and floaty and has one or two really dumb moves and i'm already familiar with that setup...
also zelda, but she's kind of spacing based and floaty and has one or two really dumb moves and i'm already familiar with that setup...
Hatcrab Zombie
Smash Cadet
I really want to see what they do with ZSS. She's one of the only characters I can stand to play in brawl.
Coffeeblack
Smash Journeyman
only cyan knows about my pm sonic. those moonwalks
id definitely enter a side event
id definitely enter a side event
Just letting you know, I was always for NTSC sheik throws. Majority of them disagreed with me. ):
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I have nothing against them nerfing NTSC Sheik's throw. But I would like a generally usable, effective throw that doesn't get ***** by positioning > edgecancel or just DI away > shake onto feet (for floatier characters after X%).
Sheik is a really balanced character in terms of her combat RPS. She gets through shields the same way Mario does (the standard way - grabbing it). She is more vulnerable to many things because of it (sidestepped grabs often severely harm Sheik in many MUs and she doesn't have frame-tight pressure so her conditioning is different than the spacies & Peach) but this is balanced by her amazing range & low lag. She also gets her hits by winning move vs move exchanges. She's one of the few good characters that still respects the shield > attack > grab > shield dynamic to a large degree and I love that about her; she's an awesome character, just like most of the Melee top tiers. She's built well.
Fox, as a brief comparison, doesn't rely on grab to get through shields but he misses out on being able to eat moves with his moves and such. It's a good, fair, reasonable balance. And he needs the safety on shield because he's so frail vs successful shield grabs. He also can't run defense as well because his reaction windows are very different and he's frail so long-term strategies can backfire if he gets nicked by something. There's a lot of risk-reward to a Fox strategy and weighing various things against each other. It's different than Sheik but not miles better. It's cool.
With all that said, words can't describe how disappointed I am in them using basically the PAL d-throw. A middle ground between the versions would have been perfect because I agree that her CG is dumb. But rather than compromise the good throw with the bad throw, we go the sucking extreme and wind up with a boring poke-only Sheik. Yay? If I wanted to play PAL I'd play PAL.
I'd also consider playing Ness, Link, or Kirby and probably pick one of those three to be my main ('cuz god knows Sheik sucks) but like... you don't get how much I love Melee Sheik. It's a very deep love. I also generally dislike it when people who don't understand how certain characters work make big executive decisions about them without solid reasoning. Sheik could have been powered down nicely - she needs some changes certainly. But she didn't deserve to be beaten with the nerf bat. They should have also nerfed the spacies if they were gonna power down the Melee top tiers so drastically but lo and behold Falco still *****. Stupid turkey :/
It's not cool that PM Falco can play like Melee Falco and Sheik can't IMHO. I was actually kind of looking forward to using her in another Melee-esque game but she's just so outclassed by so many characters...
Sheik is a really balanced character in terms of her combat RPS. She gets through shields the same way Mario does (the standard way - grabbing it). She is more vulnerable to many things because of it (sidestepped grabs often severely harm Sheik in many MUs and she doesn't have frame-tight pressure so her conditioning is different than the spacies & Peach) but this is balanced by her amazing range & low lag. She also gets her hits by winning move vs move exchanges. She's one of the few good characters that still respects the shield > attack > grab > shield dynamic to a large degree and I love that about her; she's an awesome character, just like most of the Melee top tiers. She's built well.
Fox, as a brief comparison, doesn't rely on grab to get through shields but he misses out on being able to eat moves with his moves and such. It's a good, fair, reasonable balance. And he needs the safety on shield because he's so frail vs successful shield grabs. He also can't run defense as well because his reaction windows are very different and he's frail so long-term strategies can backfire if he gets nicked by something. There's a lot of risk-reward to a Fox strategy and weighing various things against each other. It's different than Sheik but not miles better. It's cool.
With all that said, words can't describe how disappointed I am in them using basically the PAL d-throw. A middle ground between the versions would have been perfect because I agree that her CG is dumb. But rather than compromise the good throw with the bad throw, we go the sucking extreme and wind up with a boring poke-only Sheik. Yay? If I wanted to play PAL I'd play PAL.
Because I love how she's designed and I love how she plays? >_>
I'd also consider playing Ness, Link, or Kirby and probably pick one of those three to be my main ('cuz god knows Sheik sucks) but like... you don't get how much I love Melee Sheik. It's a very deep love. I also generally dislike it when people who don't understand how certain characters work make big executive decisions about them without solid reasoning. Sheik could have been powered down nicely - she needs some changes certainly. But she didn't deserve to be beaten with the nerf bat. They should have also nerfed the spacies if they were gonna power down the Melee top tiers so drastically but lo and behold Falco still *****. Stupid turkey :/
It's not cool that PM Falco can play like Melee Falco and Sheik can't IMHO. I was actually kind of looking forward to using her in another Melee-esque game but she's just so outclassed by so many characters...
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You may quote me word for word if you wish.Are you okay if I bring up your post to them? I would love to change sheik to the way you perceive it. I don't like the current p:m sheik at all.
I quoted you. Sheik doesn't use PAL throw though (nvm she does). She has an entirely new dthrow, and bthrow. Animations are sped up so the opponent gets less time to react. Knockbacks have been altered along with kbg. Wrong di leads to aerials and possible regrabs. It's more of a guessing game now.
They see it as a way to compensate for dthrow. I wouldn't justify it as a nerf though cause I foresee an income of "it's not a nerf" post.
Edit: http://www.smashmods.com/forum/thread-5032.html
That link should clear up some stuff.. though I still wish she was still just Melee-Sheik. Regardless, would you be willing to test it out? I'd be happy to argue for you after getting your inputs.
They see it as a way to compensate for dthrow. I wouldn't justify it as a nerf though cause I foresee an income of "it's not a nerf" post.
Edit: http://www.smashmods.com/forum/thread-5032.html
That link should clear up some stuff.. though I still wish she was still just Melee-Sheik. Regardless, would you be willing to test it out? I'd be happy to argue for you after getting your inputs.
Hatcrab Zombie
Smash Cadet
Related: The Valve way is always more fun.
It's nice to see characters like Bowser and Zelda getting buffs because they were clearly underpowered. But
It's nice to see characters like Bowser and Zelda getting buffs because they were clearly underpowered. But
is completely true. Nobody wants to play Bowser like in Melee because he sucks in Melee. Balance a game by bringing up the low tiers. Not by cutting down the high tiers (especially if you don't do it for all of them, which sucks).
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
So they gave Sheik a mixup similar to Marth's d-throw / f-throw mixup in Melee. Lame. I don't like guess throws =/
I don't like how Sheik was built either; I'm assuming you're not willing to try it though since it just won't feel the same to you. I don't really have much say as I don't really use Sheik myself but with your inputs after you try her out, my words (by quoting you and using your inputs) become more credible.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I might screw around with it but I'll probably gravitate towards a better character pretty quickly.
Hatcrab Zombie
Smash Cadet
Play snek. u-throw to down+b is op.
idea
Smash Master
Summonedfist
Smash Lord
that sheik hasn't evem discovered ftilt yet. pretty sure he only did it twice like g2...and both whiffed lol
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Wow it's like my 2008 Sheik
idea
Smash Master
i just like how hard his marth is trying to style on that guy, it's almost tangible
yo i'm gonna go to this and mm people
weon - X
Smash Ace
http://www.twitch.tv/sfat17
mango was teaching some stuff
pretty helpfull
maybe he'll continue later
I think im entering next tournament as "captian butt crunch"
mango was teaching some stuff
pretty helpfull
maybe he'll continue later
I think im entering next tournament as "captian butt crunch"
Summonedfist
Smash Lord
aww too bad it's muted now =(
idea
Smash Master
is he telling people to use S2J naming conventions?
Coffeeblack
Smash Journeyman
I'm so down for a pm tourney
I am also down for a PM tourney
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Summonedfist
Smash Lord
lolwhere everyone go
also, what are the plans for apex so far (if any)? i tell myself that pound5/apex would be my last tournies to travel for...but i still have leftover money from budgetting for both of those tournies xD
also, what are the plans for apex so far (if any)? i tell myself that pound5/apex would be my last tournies to travel for...but i still have leftover money from budgetting for both of those tournies xD
Riddlebox
Smash Journeyman
Pay for me and I drive yew.
Summonedfist
Smash Lord
which component of you? i don't think i can cover all of you 
but maybe your gas and something else ;D
but maybe your gas and something else ;D
unknown522
Some guy
Should've went to the big house with us windrose
Windrose
Smash Lord
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In retrospect, I probably could have. But things were really busy literally up until yesterday afternoon and the prospects were fairly unfavourable from my end.Should've went to the big house with us windrose
But my team mates for a project all felt really burnt out from the past week and decided to not meet up anymore during thanks giving weekend. Alas... what's done is done.
PLUS S2J WASN'T GOING SO WHAT'S THE POINT?!
Windrose
Smash Lord
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Who didn't go to the Big house? I just got contact from Kurtis, he's in town and want's to play. I can host today I think....or can drive kurtis and I to someone's place. Who is still here? Weon-x? Idea? etc.?
We can also watch the big house stream together.
Toronto community LEFTOVERS.
We can also watch the big house stream together.
Toronto community LEFTOVERS.
Riddlebox
Smash Journeyman
<_> I'm still around too.
Windrose
Smash Lord
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are you in toronto today at the brawl tournament? :O I'm gathering up some folks.
Is camilo at the big house?