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[idea]

uuughh, i wrote a long post, then smashboards somehow signed me out and said i can't post when i'm not signed in.

- jack, i don't think it's that simple. you can't just take someone and add camping to their existing playstyle and expect the existing playstyle to stay exactly the same. that would not be mango anymore, it'd be a fictional player called mango+camping.
- and especially against armada's peach, lasering more is not just a split-second decision. you have to be careful to not let him get the positional advantage, and you have to do that a lot since lasers add damage slowly compared to fox's other moves. also you're letting him draw more turnips, and he is good with those, and he gets a lots of stitches.
- furthermore, there are clear advantages to being aggressive against armada. we've seen already that he's REALLY, REALLY GOOD at being defensive with peach. i would be worried about giving him that much space. if you're already hitting him it shuts a lot of that down, and mango can do that 'cause he has lots of tech skill and is great at applying pressure. aggressiveness plays more to his strengths than lasering more.
- and mike, you can't ban puff just 'cause you don't like her, lol. she's overpowered and easy to play at low-mid level, but beyond that she's just a slow character trying to deal with fox all the time. as for hungrybox, maybe i would have agreed with you back when all he did was camp and bair spam, but now, i really can't see anyone else doing better against actually-trying mango with puff.

 

[Bing]

Just a note about Armada's playstyle to the possiblity of Mango laser camping... Armada ***** campy players, thats why he ***** most spacies because a lot of Falco mains go into the match up thinking that if they stay back and laser, they will do well, Armada's used to this because like 80% of Europe, especially Denmark and Sweden, plays Falco. And they all play campy laser styles. Mango playing an agressive Fox or Falco is the best thing he could have done.


Btw, Mango's Falcon isnt that great, its pretty solid, but not good enough to beat Armada, even though the match up is in his favour.

And Jack, you theory on the whole in general, is Invalid.

 

[Riddlebox]

Just a note about Armada's playstyle to the possiblity of Mango laser camping... Armada ***** campy players, thats why he ***** most spacies because a lot of Falco mains go into the match up thinking that if they stay back and laser, they will do well, Armada's used to this because like 80% of Europe, especially Denmark and Sweden, plays Falco. And they all play campy laser styles. Mango playing an agressive Fox or Falco is the best thing he could have done.


Btw, Mango's Falcon isnt that great, its pretty solid, but not good enough to beat Armada, even though the match up is in his favour.

And Jack, you theory on the whole in general, is Invalid.

Bing I recall Armada getting stomped by a fresh pp at Pound 5...sure PP's performance here was sub par...but you can't discredit the fact that it happened and it was convincing.

Now if we're talking about Falco...yes, I can understand the fact that all of Sweeden and Denmark play campy laser styles...but really that's the match up...you laser her until she can't move then you go in. Mango has commented about the perfect Falco who plays match ups correctly (uh hello once again the person who STOMPED Armada), and my guess is, because of this fact, it was too boring for Mango to go Falco...not because it doesn't work. Aggralco is beast and all but honestly a laserless falco feels free even to me in that match up.

Jack we had this discussion already, and where I agree that sure...if he plays the match up correctly blah blah blah, it may have looked better; but you're still completely ignoring the fact that Armada could genuinely have a day where he is just better and on point. Are you really going to be so silly as to john for him until he wins...? Somehow I even feel like if he won, you'd say that he could have won by more.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Y'all are silly.

Armada *****. And spends months thinking about how to **** the things / people that beat him. So he never loses to the same thing twice.

Hungarybox (take that namesearch) is a dumb dumb and learned nothing (ABSOLUTELY NOTHING) from their Pound 5 set.

Mango ***** but doesn't practice enough because he only plays seriously for like 3 months before the tournament. He also shouldn't have chased down Kevin into the loser's bracket. What a Bidoof.

Anyone else see the hilarity in PPMD losing to Doctor Mario? As a result of the flu?

Taj is a Bidoof. This confirms it.

Shroomed continues to be black.

Ice Climbers shock me by placing so poorly at a tournament with wobbling legal. I guess Doc ***** Ice Climbers. Or Wobbles can't beat awkward characters. Who knows? Fly gets gayed by MacD (poor Fly).

Hax losing to Taj caused me to scratch my head. Didn't Taj lose to like, ORLY in pools or something? ORLY > Hax in Marth MU? Or Hax chokesies? Awkward stuff, yo.

Laser camping was never Armada's issue in the Falco matchup. It had more to do with him missing every edgeguard, failing some real easy combos, and being stuck on the ledge for whole minutes at a time, forced to recover with the most ghetto options imaginable. His anti-laser game is solid; pew pew was not what cost him Pound 5.

M2K fails repeatedly in pools and crews, but still comes away with the most money out of any single entrant (what with his placements in Brawl, 5th in Melee, and Melee teams placement). Good work Jason. Making that paper.

/Genesis2

Apparently the flu is a good reason to play hilariously stupid. I understand it affects tech skill and whatever, but seriously some of these decisions baffle me.

 

[Divinokage]

MacD also beat Axe in brackets.. that was brutal. lol.

Anyways, no one should be saying anything if you weren't at Genesis, you cheap *******s! I hate you for having 0 support. Mango's Fox made Armada scared in his shield.. whotf does that? lol.. His shield pressure was ridiculous.. you can't even do anything out of shield with that amount of technical precision, it's impossible.

 

[Riddlebox]

I'm sure if we had money flowing out of our ears and super lenient jobs we would...If we had a choice we would have been there in a heartbeat; life must go on unfortunately.

 

[Divinokage]

I'm sure if we had money flowing out of our ears and super lenient jobs we would...If we had a choice we would have been there in a heartbeat; life must go on unfortunately.

Im working basically fulltime at 10$ an hour and i was able to do it even when I also pay a huge rent. Cmon... It's not that hard, enough being lazy and procrastinators! If someone really wanted to go then they will, if not then.. your actions will tell me that you won't want to go. Sucks but.. ya.. the community needs support and I'm not seeing it from everyone.

 

[Bing]

Im working basically fulltime at 10$ an hour and i was able to do it even when I also pay a huge rent. Cmon... It's not that hard, enough being lazy and procrastinators! If someone really wanted to go then they will, if not then.. your actions will tell me that you won't want to go. Sucks but.. ya.. the community needs support and I'm not seeing it from everyone.

On a Family Vacation in Switzerland and Holland Johns for me, paying a couple thousand that I didnt exactly have to begin with considering I didnt have a job until... 5 days before I left XD

Me and a few locals here are planning to attend the next national. I actuallly have always wondered how you manage to attend all these tournaments Kage. Like... I dont get it :S Or do you basically run off tournament winnings to pretty much get you to the next stop?


And I agree with David about the Armada - Mango Matchup. And I think Taj deserved top 5 for sure... Mango will take it back from Armada, in due time.

 

[Divinokage]

Well it's true that I am getting consistently getting a good amount of money when I go to tournaments, winning Project M helped a lot. And I did insane amounts of MMs. I know I lost like 60$ to S2J.. but, I made a lot back too. Well anyways, ya I don't need to pay that much to go to tournaments so it works out somewhat I guess.

 

[Crooked Crow]

I think Mango went specifically Fox for a number of reasons.

He already has wins with his Falco and Jigglypuff over Armada. However, Dr. PeePee won a national with Falco, and Hungrybox with Jigglypuff, but who has ever won a national with Fox lately?

However, while we did get a fantastic set full of hype, Armada had the edge, as Mango messed up opportunities, whilst Armada punished accordingly. Just my observations.

 

[KirbyKaze]

And I think Taj deserved top 5 for sure...

Disagree. But more power to him for getting there.



Kage, I understand your frustrations, but I notice Toronto wasn't the only EC Canadian region with a good chunk of their good players absent. I hope you're bothering them as much as you are us. I also think they live closer to you anyway.

 

[KirbyKaze]

So anyone else hear about Zelgadis trying to steal 6K from the Genesis 2 pot? It's somewhere in MD.

 

[Crooked Crow]

You have a link? I want to watch the drama.

 

[Europhoria]

- and mike, you can't ban puff just 'cause you don't like her, lol. she's overpowered and easy to play at low-mid level, but beyond that she's just a slow character trying to deal with fox all the time. as for hungrybox, maybe i would have agreed with you back when all he did was camp and bair spam, but now, i really can't see anyone else doing better against actually-trying mango with puff.

He hits like 1 out of 11 up-air smash DIs, he gets 3-0'd by Young Link (I know he won game 1 kinda, but come on), Armada sits directly above him all the time and it never occurs to him to just up-air... only run away and spam b-air more. Armada lives til like 130-140 every stock because he can't edgeguard. I know thinks can work sometimes, like recovery tricks... but they shouldn't work *every time*

It's so dumb that a player with terrible DI, edgeguarding, combos and no ability to read or adapt places this high. I was on skype with Vince when he was facing Armada and he was like "man I was hoping Hungrybox would come up with a new strategy but he's just running away and camping more, what is this ****" It's not like it's impossible to beat him or Puff in general, but if he mained any other character at that skill level he'd be done in 1st or 2nd round of pools. **** Jigglypuff

 

[weon - X]

man i wanna see the vids!!!!!! so pp had the flu?

 

[Ministry]

He hits like 1 out of 11 up-air smash DIs, he gets 3-0'd by Young Link (I know he won game 1 kinda, but come on), Armada sits directly above him all the time and it never occurs to him to just up-air... only run away and spam b-air more. Armada lives til like 130-140 every stock because he can't edgeguard. I know thinks can work sometimes, like recovery tricks... but they shouldn't work *every time*

It's so dumb that a player with terrible DI, edgeguarding, combos and no ability to read or adapt places this high. I was on skype with Vince when he was facing Armada and he was like "man I was hoping Hungrybox would come up with a new strategy but he's just running away and camping more, what is this ****" It's not like it's impossible to beat him or Puff in general, but if he mained any other character at that skill level he'd be done in 1st or 2nd round of pools. **** Jigglypuff

thats a typical puff for you.

 

[KirbyKaze]

He hits like 1 out of 11 up-air smash DIs, he gets 3-0'd by Young Link (I know he won game 1 kinda, but come on), Armada sits directly above him all the time and it never occurs to him to just up-air... only run away and spam b-air more. Armada lives til like 130-140 every stock because he can't edgeguard. I know thinks can work sometimes, like recovery tricks... but they shouldn't work *every time*

It's so dumb that a player with terrible DI, edgeguarding, combos and no ability to read or adapt places this high. I was on skype with Vince when he was facing Armada and he was like "man I was hoping Hungrybox would come up with a new strategy but he's just running away and camping more, what is this ****" It's not like it's impossible to beat him or Puff in general, but if he mained any other character at that skill level he'd be done in 1st or 2nd round of pools. **** Jigglypuff

This made me chuckle. I would like this if it were on Facebook.

 

[unknown522]

Armada sits directly above him all the time and it never occurs to him to just up-air... only run away and spam b-air more. Armada lives til like 130-140 every stock because he can't edgeguard. I know thinks can work sometimes, like recovery tricks... but they shouldn't work *every time*

It's so dumb that a player with terrible DI, edgeguarding, combos and no ability to read or adapt places this high. I was on skype with Vince when he was facing Armada and he was like "man I was hoping Hungrybox would come up with a new strategy but he's just running away and camping more, what is this ****" It's not like it's impossible to beat him or Puff in general, but if he mained any other character at that skill level he'd be done in 1st or 2nd round of pools. **** Jigglypuff

pretty much.

Also, bernard thought that armada wouldn't be able to pull it off again. I thought so too, but then Hbox didn't learn anything for the last time they played. It would've been nice if he used his shield too.

Im working basically fulltime at 10$ an hour and i was able to do it even when I also pay a huge rent. Cmon... It's not that hard, enough being lazy and procrastinators! If someone really wanted to go then they will, if not then.. your actions will tell me that you won't want to go. Sucks but.. ya.. the community needs support and I'm not seeing it from everyone.

I've said this lots of times, but once I get a job I will travel out more. I don't have the money to take a plane or expensive bus rides atm.

man i wanna see the vids!!!!!! so pp had the flu?

man, PP got ***** so bad by armada.




oh, also Jack is really single-minded about "camping beats-all" apparently. I honestly doubt that mango would've won if he camped him.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Camping Peach is super effective with Fox... unless the Peach realizes that Fox's camping means him sacrificing a lot of his ability to control the stage. Once this realization occurs, Peach is then free to set her spacing up as nicely as she wants and proceed to box our favourite fuzzy wuzzy in. Fox can't really afford to lose many clashes with Peach because of his fragility, and being in the air so often (because he's camping) opens up vulnerabilities (see: M2K's Fox vs Armada on Battlefield game 3 APEX).

Peach is all about cutting off options and covering things; Fox's laser camping doesn't really interfere with this. It's just chip damage, really. Fox's zany movement is where it's at. But Mango was using that anyway.

 

[Summonedfist]

ryan: lmao camping doesn't necessarily beat everyone. but think about it if mango's fox lasered nearly as much as he did vs hbox (which wasn't much anyways) to force armada to approach then etcetc you get the rest

tristan: it's okay to support reality but it's not that great either to be ignorant enough to not think outside the box

Jack you're being ridiculous, look at what you're saying, then look at the facts. How long does mango get this free ride where he's the best no matter what? It's a slap in the face to people like armada and pp who have busted their *** for the title, and get nothing for their work except a pat on the back and a little voice saying "mango is still better"

Mango hasn't won a tourney since pound ****ing 4. Armada has consisntely placed 2nd at pretty much everything, and now finally wins. And all you've got to say is "oh, mango could have won if this and if that." who gives a crap what could have happened? Mango also could have won if armada sd'd 20 times, but he didn't. Mango could have won if he played better than armada but he didn't. Furthermore, I could make the claim that even if mango played at whatever magical arbitrary maximum skill you think he posses, armada would STILL win, but I won't do that because that's dumb, and so is what you're saying. You're basically doing the equivalent of a child sticking their fingers in their ears and refusing to listen because they don't like what they are hearing.

If you really want to believe that there exists some absolute truth of who is the best player based purely on feelings, then go ahead. I'm a supporter of reality.

you try playing for 3 months and take someone who's been training for 2 years to game 5

 

[KirbyKaze]

Jack, if you think Armada would approach recklessly just because he's being peppered by 1 or 2 lasers every 5 seconds or so, then you crazy

 

[unknown522]

first of all: peach and jiggs are 2 different characters
second: if you let peach get in on you, she's at frame advantage from most of her ****
third: Hbox has bad habits, and mango probably just exploited that
fourth: every time you lose to someone, you always say that "you should've camped them", or "they were camping you"

 

[Summonedfist]

well then mango would be welcome to more lasers would he not

 

[Summonedfist]

actually, ryan, when i lost to kyle, i told myself i should've played smarter and stopped jumping oos into his bairs

Spoiler

and not go peach looool

when i lost to james, i told myself i should've kept camping instead of jumping into his ****
when camping james -> 3 stock lead
when not camping james back (cuz we both started roasting marshmellows) -> lose 3-4 stocks

what does that tell you?

i'm not parallelling my games vs. peach to how mango should've played
with his intelligence i'd be way too ignorant

 

[unknown522]

or you could not be a scrub and approach better.

Not only that, but James didn't approach you either, but armada would most definitely approach when he's being camped or seems to be put in a bad position.

Are you telling me that my/bernard's aggro styles are ineffective?

I can 3-4 stock these people with ease with my own style, so why does it matter?

 

[KirbyKaze]

well then mango would be welcome to more lasers would he not

Yeah but in exchange for that extra percent you also let Peach get her positioning going. Since Fox is so frail, I don't think that's a good alternative. Like Ryan said, she's at huge advantage when she hits blocking opponents, and Armada is notorious for killing space animals in a hit (or doing like, 80%).

I do not feel camping him would instantly work out because Mango's decision to play his style prevented Armada from getting his spacing as perfect as he wanted it; this allowed Mango to win several exchanges and land so many of those Shine combos. I think that worked well for him in the long run. What lost Mango the set (IMHO) is the recoveries at the end, some suicides, and losing all of his momentum in the fifth game. Mango's style enabled him to attempt some serious comebacks, though, and bring one-sided matches to near even.

You have to realize that against someone like Armada, it is actually a very viable strategy to try and keep him from setting up. Because in doing so you improve your chances of winning an exchange; and you absolutely cannot afford to lose exchanges to him (once again, see M2K and Armada in their third game at APEX - you could also just rewatch PP vs him from this tournament when those matches come out).

 

[Summonedfist]

or you could not be a scrub and approach better.

Not only that, but James didn't approach you either, but armada would most definitely approach when he's being camped or seems to be put in a bad position.

Are you telling me that my/bernard's aggro styles are ineffective?

I can 3-4 stock these people with ease with my own style, so why does it matter?

You sorta contradicted yourself in the beginning.. but I get your point.

I never said you/Bernard's style are ineffective. It's not like I could compare you to anyone vs. Armada anyways since you've never played him. Bernard does really well before few slight errors and getting punished for them (i.e. on YS vs. Akatsuki Peach, last stock, thinking he had used his dj/float i can't recall exactly, and getting fair'd -> edgeguard). I never said you guys play ineffectively. I'm not even that camping-centric when trying to describe vs.'ing Armada. I never once said camping was the sole way to go. I said "if he lasered more" ("more" being relative to the 1-2 lasers he shot per stock). Also, I don't know who you're talking about "these people." If you mean Kyle and James, then good for you. I don't know why you're comparing yourself to me (if you are, which it seems like you are). Not only have you played more and longer, your accessibility to players is greater anyways. I'm not saying I should've beaten them, I'm saying what I should've done instead and learning from mistakes tho I fail to apply them more.

[wisdom]

Thanks for actually taking your time to say something more than "stop being a Mango fanboy and thinking of ideals." I actually thoroughly appreciate it

 

[KirbyKaze]

For the record:

The only point I wanted to make throughout this is that "aggressive" is not a novelty option against Peach at this point, and there are some good logical reasons for why someone would pick to use that sort of style against her (especially if they're good at that style as a player anyway). Against the most consistent, proficient Peach in the universe, we have a player that was able to pull off an aggressive style against him and demonstrated that it's a legitimately viable option. Winning so many exchanges *****.

I certainly think it's a lot harder to do that than it is to run away and shoot lasers. But I also understand, especially after playing so much Peach lately, why that isn't a perfect solution to her. Peach, when properly positioned, really can make hitting her troublesome for the other character. And lasering her lets her get that proper position as often as she wants, in exchange for a damage fee. That said, it also limits the overall exchanges that need to occur for Fox to win a stock. Whether it's better to limit those exchanges (but give Peach an edge in them) versus promoting exchanges (but having the edge in them) is uncertain to me. But it seems they're both legitimate selections. And Mango definitely better at the latter; I don't think he would have seen more success playing something he doesn't seem as comfortable doing.

But perhaps Mango's just mindgaming us all.

Also, LOL @ Bernard being called aggressive when we're discussing Peach. I saw those matches from Pound. And played that Fox but a few weeks ago with the crazy fruit. He's the epitome of aggression, that Raynex.

 

[Europhoria]

I think he made some poor/panicky recovery choices, like illusioning right at Armada off the ledge a bunch, whiffing wavelands onto platforms, etc. He had control during game 5 his aggro style even (I still think he should have gone Puff of course)

 

[unknown522]

You sorta contradicted yourself in the beginning.. but I get your point.

I never said you/Bernard's style are ineffective. It's not like I could compare you to anyone vs. Armada anyways since you've never played him. Bernard does really well before few slight errors and getting punished for them (i.e. on YS vs. Akatsuki Peach, last stock, thinking he had used his dj/float i can't recall exactly, and getting fair'd -> edgeguard). I never said you guys play ineffectively. I'm not even that camping-centric when trying to describe vs.'ing Armada.

no, I didn't contradict myself. Being put into a bad position doesn't necessarily mean that he's being camped, it was an added example into what I was saying. Also, to add more, having peach approach you, or giving her time to set up those approaches because you decided to camp her (a character that has frame-advantage on pressure and more range/priority than you, and can come down on a angle that will make it more difficult to beat), can easily be a really bad thing to do.

I also made those comparisons about Kyle and James because, you were saying that you had results to camping him, so it was a better style. But, when you tried it again, did it work? If something was working, then why would you stop doing it? and how come you still lost when you had some kind of "fallback plan" like that to rely on?

Also, what I gather from your posts. What you were saying you should've done is what you thought would've won you those games.

Also if you want to do callouts on contradictions: You always change your stories/reasons as to why you lost. What you posted is different from what you said in person about each of those losses.

I never once said camping was the sole way to go. I said "if he lasered more" ("more" being relative to the 1-2 lasers he shot per stock).

Alright, but if he had stopped to laser more, he would still throw away more openings/pressure chances that he may have potentially seen/went for at times where he didn't laser.

 

[Summonedfist]

-me camping James gave successful results -> James camping me back made the game boring -> I stopped caring
-I never told you in person about vs. Peach/James, I didn't john about losing to him (to you, maybe to James tho LOL, we both in the end played with good spirit since I've played him lots relative to anyone else in the community), I didn't regret not performing well or losing to him or not getting top 5 at the tourney to you. I didn't talk much about anything to you after I played James. The whole tourney you nagged me for a drink and asked about my gf more than anything. I talk to you in person like once every 3 months (the time in pmall wasn't smash related)
-I ask you stuff about vs. puff and playing *as* peach but you respond with 'I don't play peach, how would I know?"
-me playing poorly vs. Kyle/puff has a million reasons. Not surprising to tell you different ones at different times LOL (esp. if those times are months apart)
-on another analysis it just comes down to me being a scrub at preparing for matches. I didn't rewatch me vs. Kurtis (which probably would've helped a bit at least), and I don't play puff/theorize about the match up enough. I go into every game playing stupid/blind aggression. I see Kyle and play him like, once every few months. The longest sitting I've ever had with Kyle was at Pound LOL and he didn't even play much puff.
-It's not my fault I don't get much exposure to smash as I'd like. But hey, I still beat others that get more exposure than I do
-I can't even remember what else I had to say.

edit:
-also, what was the "fallback" plan you speak of? Did I say something about one to you? I honestly can't remember =S

 

[KirbyKaze]

Let's just all marvel at Niko ****** Nando

F-smash, motherfucker!

Also, you should have texted me if you were gonna do something silly like bust out Peach vs Kyle.

 

[Summonedfist]

I had a lot of fun playing her in doubles lol. And I felt like trying something different XD I thought you'd be at work too

Also, who's Niko? Is this the same Peach Niko from Brawl?

 

[Riddlebox]

looooooooooooooooool no that's not Niko K

 

[unknown522]

-me camping James gave successful results -> James camping me back made the game boring -> I stopped caring
-I never told you in person about vs. Peach/James, I didn't john about losing to him (to you, maybe to James tho LOL, we both in the end played with good spirit since I've played him lots relative to anyone else in the community), I didn't regret not performing well or losing to him or not getting top 5 at the tourney to you. I didn't talk much about anything to you after I played James. The whole tourney you nagged me for a drink and asked about my gf more than anything. I talk to you in person like once every 3 months (the time in pmall wasn't smash related)
-I ask you stuff about vs. puff and playing *as* peach but you respond with 'I don't play peach, how would I know?"
-me playing poorly vs. Kyle/puff has a million reasons. Not surprising to tell you different ones at different times LOL (esp. if those times are months apart)
-on another analysis it just comes down to me being a scrub at preparing for matches. I didn't rewatch me vs. Kurtis (which probably would've helped a bit at least), and I don't play puff/theorize about the match up enough. I go into every game playing stupid/blind aggression. I see Kyle and play him like, once every few months. The longest sitting I've ever had with Kyle was at Pound LOL and he didn't even play much puff.
-It's not my fault I don't get much exposure to smash as I'd like. But hey, I still beat others that get more exposure than I do
-I can't even remember what else I had to say.

- Yes, you did say that you would've beaten James if you camped him more in person.

- I don't know how to play as peach (she's one of the 2 characters I barely ever use because she's very unappealing/boring). Why would you ask me how to punish rest with peach?

- the exposure part is debatable.

-also, what was the "fallback" plan you speak of? Did I say something about one to you? I honestly can't remember =S

the camping more that you always talk about.

 

[Summonedfist]

looooooooooooooooool no that's not Niko K

LOOOL okay. I honestly had no clue.

- Yes, you did say that you would've beaten James if you camped him more in person.

- I don't know how to play as peach (she's one of the 2 characters I barely ever use because she's very unappealing/boring). Why would you ask me how to punish rest with peach?

the camping more that you always talk about.

-LOL yeah before I found out it was a difference of 5th and 7th. I really didn't care after.
-I'd ask you cuz you're a source of wisdom and knowledge to me LOL you know way more about this game than I do
-Yeahhhhhh okay. I got bored. Camping is hella boring.
-For the record, I only care about camping as much as I seem to is cuz of Pound when I playedd DoH at Pound. While it's evident to me now that he's just bad at punishing and abusing anti camping, it really worked out for me (and pre-pound, I almost never camped in my life (it's incredibly boring and ruins the game for me) (except maybe to harrass James in friendlies when we played)). Then I played Vwins, camped him til like 120% on DL64, then could never finish him off, then he'd land a hit and get my stock LMAO so much fail on my part
-Thing is with this whole "Peach gets to set up during Fox's camping," Vwins never did that. He just took my camping, and I found running around him really easy. His punishes for the most part were on either i) my ****ty approaches in attempt to finish him and; ii) my technical errors that give him a free hit

 

[unknown522]

technical errors.

Case and point.

 

[Summonedfist]

That was insightful.

 

[unknown522]

technical consistency is an important part of this game. Especially when you're at a higher level. At any point, one hit can randomly mean massive damage/a stock/a match/etc. If someone makes technical errors and the opponent capitalizes, then that's your fault, not the strategy itself.

Also, I don't feel like making any more elaborated posts. Calling you out was to help make you get better, and not think about the game in such a single-minded way. It's going to end up making you limit the way you play and miss openings that you could possibly take.

 

[Summonedfist]

Thank you <3