Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Shaya]

but the power of 150% of base AD procs + guaranteed slows !

(I do agree that the two together are pretty silly)

 

[Omni]

i like it for the extra slow plus the extra health without having to buy a "real" defensive item. if im behind then i just go straight in to Frozen Mallet and skip the trinity force all together

 

[Mogwai]

i like it for the extra slow plus the extra health without having to buy a "real" defensive item. if im behind then i just go straight in to Frozen Mallet and skip the trinity force all together

The point is that they fill the same niche and step on each other's toes a lot. Who cares about a "real" defensive item when you're already filling a ton of the mallet niche with Triforce? So what, you're going to build an inefficient stat item to get the guaranteed slow when you already have a decent slow and increased movespeed? Why? You're devaluing both items with that redundancy and there's a perfectly good warmog's sitting in the shop going "why the **** did he build Mallet instead of me? T_T" Mallet's fine but the whole point of it is that it's a cheaper way to try to do what triforce + warmog's does (big HP, hard to run from), if you have triforce anyway, Mallet's a dumb buy.

 

[Omni]

I agree, but it's a great pubstomper item if you're the only one doing work in the game. I don't think Trundle should go Warmogs just because he isn't as tanky as say Udyr or Shyvana who can get MR/Armor more consistently.

Basically, the TF > FM guarantee that you stick to a person once you get to them which is good when catching players out of position. In a team fight, you're just going to Agony the nearest tank so Warmogs isn't really necessary IMO. It helps, but I think being able to shred down their tank or ad carry will payout more in the long run than having that extra 12K life.

Edit: Naturally, if it's just an average game I just go into Randiun's, but if you're trying to carry I think FM > Warmogs.

 

[Z'zgashi]

What should I go for as Jungle Sejuani if Ive been counter jungled and am catching up? It seems like whenever Im Sej and someone successfully counter jungles im constantly playing catch up and am really behind in damage/tankyness. I know it's pretty much a given that under that circumstance Im behind, but are there any items that I should go for that will help me keep up so I can be of more use in fights and ganks?

 

[Mogwai]

Sej is a Maokai/Naut style jungler where you just go double gold/10 -> Frozen Heart as far as I've seen. Hard to be more resilient to counterjungling than double gold/10 IMO.

 

[Omni]

Double gold = Philo/HoG if you weren't sure. I'd also throw in an Aegis if no one else on your team gets one.

If you're getting counterjungled you usually can only come back through ganks. It's difficult to counterjungle a counterjungler.

 

[What's The Point]

If you are confident that they are not in their jungle you can go do their wraiths and golems.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yep, I know what double gold is, its pretty common knowledge

And thanks Mogwai

 

[Flayl]

Sejuani doesn't need mana as much as Maokai (dunno about nautilus), I'd go for aegis over FH

 

[Omni]

Warwick, Mundo, Shyvana, Udyr.

Question: Why are both Mundo and WW good jungle carries?

 

[Mogwai]

High innate damage and high innate survivability. They both have % hp damage spells, which make them good at killing high survivability targets and they are both hard as hell to kill.

Mundo's basically a midgame monster who hits unreasonably hard on no offensive items and is just generally impossible to kill. He tapers off later in the game, but his midgame is similarly strong to Shyvana's, where he's just a gigantic problem.

WW's one of the strongest lategame champs in the game because of hungering strike's nutty base scaling (you don't need to build anything for the spell to get better over time, it's really nutty), as well as all the free damage he has, not to mention he's literally impossible to run from, making him one of the best cleanup champs in the game.

 

[What's The Point]

Jungles generally do not carry in the way that you are expecting. You do not get as much gold in jungle as you do in lane. A jungle's role is to help your team with their lanes and to help a teammate losing a lane. You carry by making your team win at everything. Maybe if your Shaco and you get like 5 kills in 10 minutes you can just go balls deep into everybody and carry the game away till 20. But the hardest jungle carry games I do are always with Maokai.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I usually carry balls out with Shyvana. Just intimidate people and shut down any couter jungle attempts cuz you're a boss, then **** the face off any lane who thinks they can push to a turret lol. Before you know it, you're 3/0/2 or something, youre tanky as ****, you have damage up the butt, and then you ult into a teamfight and press W and get triple kills and stuff. It's great fun.

 

[DallasPhat]

Bragging about playing the best jungler atm. Lululul

 

[Z'zgashi]

DPhat talking about bragging? Lululul

 

[Mogwai]

Bragging about playing the best jungler atm. Lululul

No one was bragging about Jarman

 

[What's The Point]

I haven't really played since January. I was under the impression that Shen was the best jungler right now.

 

[Mogwai]

Shen has never been better than a passable jungler. He has a slow jungling kit and is generally not worth playing in the jungle IMO.

Mundo, Shyvana, Lee Sin and Udyr are probably considered the best junglers atm, but I think there's a big pool of great junglers out there including Jarman, Nocturne, Maokai, Warwick, Nautilus, Amumu and probably a bunch of others guys I'm forgetting.

 

[Omni]

I actually haven't tried Jungle Jarvan, Nautilus, or Mundo. How do they compare to the rest of the junglers?

I'd imagine Jarvan is similar to Maokai?
Nautilius is similar to.... Amumu?
Mundo is similar to Shyvana?

 

[What's The Point]

Then why is everyone banning Shen? Maybe it's top lane.

And why do you keep mentioning WW as a jungler? Did something change about his ****ty single target jungling and useless ganks pre-6?

 

[Mogwai]

I actually haven't tried Jungle Jarvan, Nautilus, or Mundo. How do they compare to the rest of the junglers?

I'd imagine Jarvan is similar to Maokai?
Nautilius is similar to.... Amumu?
Mundo is similar to Shyvana?

Jarman's a low sustain, high AoE damage clearer early, and has beast mode ganks. He's dangerous, but can open wriggle's or double gold/10 and adapt his build as needed. I think he rules, but what can I say, I love Jarman, I'm probably biased.

Nautilus is more similar to like Maokai, but his damage is higher and if he hits his hook, he's got better CC. He's a ****ing monster and I'm not sure why he hasn't caught on more top and in the jungle.

Mundo is similar to Shyv, but he builds way tankier. He has more free damage and worse damage scaling off of items.

Then why is everyone banning Shen? Maybe it's top lane.

And why do you keep mentioning WW as a jungler? Did something change about his ****ty single target jungling and useless ganks pre-6?

Shen bans are for top and that's still just a carry over since before they nerfed him back down a bit. People don't like getting blown out by Shen ult and still suck at laning vs. him, but IMHO, he's perfectly reasonable right now.

WW's fine in the jungle and has perfectly fine pre-6 ganks with red buff. No idea why he has such a bad rep in the jungle, people just suck with him I guess. He's still the strongest carry out of the jungle and is a giant ****ing beating post-6 when he just camps mid and cashes in on a free kill every 60 seconds.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't get what I can do to improve my elo when people don't listen to me in picks and in terms of playstyle, I go 4/2 as Udyr, then watch Top and both crumble when the GP goes 0/6 to the Eva top, and Ashe feeds the Graves at bot 0/5.

 

[Omni]

I don't get what I can do to improve my elo when people don't listen to me in picks and in terms of playstyle, I go 4/2 as Udyr, then watch Top and both crumble when the GP goes 0/6 to the Eva top, and Ashe feeds the Graves at bot 0/5.

Chalk it up to bad luck and keep on truckin'.

 

[tarmacker]

Chalk it up to bad luck and keep on truckin'.

F that ****. Get LoLRecorder and make it your new best friend. Analyze the **** out of yourself. Fine any mistake you make and remedy it. Even the tiniest misplay look into and fix it.

Disclaimer: I'm not a good player but once I started self-reflecting I saw some serious improvement.

 

[SSGuy]

If I can improve on map awareness, I would be ready to take my next step into competitive play.

 

[Espy Rose]

I've learned that while playing Lulu, everything that goes wrong is my fault.
Cutting my wrists now.

 

[Fragger]

I've learned that while playing Lulu, everything that goes wrong is my fault.
Cutting my wrists now.

Change that to

"I've learned that while playing Solo Queue, everything that goes wrong is my fault."

 

[Espy Rose]

This...is true.

 

[Virgilijus]

I've learned that while playing Lulu, everything that goes wrong is my fault.
Cutting my wrists now.

You can only deny yourself in DotA and HoN.

 

[john!]

Change that to

"I've learned that while playing Solo Queue, everything that goes wrong is my fault."

i knew there was a reason this thread reminded me of solo queue.

 

[ShroudedOne]

The worst games in solo queue occur when I go 18/4/10 or some ridiculous 40+ minute number, and the mistake that costs us the game is mine. :\

 

[Hylian]

The worst games in solo queue occur when I go 18/4/10 or some ridiculous 40+ minute number, and the mistake that costs us the game is mine. :\

This has happened to me a few times, it really really sucks.

 

[voorhese]

 

[john!]

that gif is legendary voorhese

The worst games in solo queue occur when I go 18/4/10 or some ridiculous 40+ minute number, and the mistake that costs us the game is mine. :\

the worst part is when their teammates consider reporting them for "throwing the game"

 

[jpak]

the problem is death timers and kill bounties :[

 

[UTDZac]

the problem is feeders and leavers :[

 

[Espy Rose]

Warwick carries games.

 

[john!]

warwick HELLA carries game

warwick PUT DA TEAM ON HIS BACK

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Just learned that Poppy's tackle has a ****ing Skarner pull effect if you flash during the animation of her tackle.

That's some bull****.