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Shaya

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Olaf

* Base armor increased to 20 from 17
* Reckless Swing Mana cost reduced to 0 from 50 (Health cost remains)
****ing awesome.
Now Olaf can max out CDR and not have to worry about mana...
omfg that is such a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BUFF.

Shaco

* Jack-in-the-Box
o Boxes are now immune to damage while stealthed if the source cannot see them
o Jack in the Box trigger radius reduced to 325 from 400 to mitigate cases where it fears targets and they run out of range, rendering the Box unable to attack
o Fixed a bug where Jack in the Boxes could be seen by stealthed enemies
o Fixed a bug where Jack in the Boxes could be seen in brush or through fog of war while not stealthed if an enemy was nearby
o Fixed a bug where Jack in the Boxes would sometimes stop attacking targets if they both were in brush
o Fixed a bug where Jack in the Boxes could activate but fail to fear targets moving near the edge of its range
o Fixed a bug where turrets would always attack Jack in the Boxes first
o Improved Jack in the Box AI
+ Boxes will hard lock onto the closest champion that has damaged Shaco recently, or that Shaco has damaged
+ Boxes will soft lock onto other non-neutral-monsters they attack (they will prefer to keep attacking that target)
+ We plan more Box AI improvements in the future!
I think my black laptop is going to become a shade of white soon.

Clones that are meant to deceive now have a hero minimap icon
Heuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheue

Clones now correctly show their own stats
I'm not sure what this means... but it could mean Shaco's dragon ability and baron soloing abilities just got hit very hard.
sigh.

(Shaco's clone would always stay the same stats as main shaco, even if you were reducing its AD or attack speed or whatever - if they changed that ima rage)
 

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****ing awesome.
Now Olaf can max out CDR and not have to worry about mana...
omfg that is such a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BUFF.



I think my black laptop is going to become a shade of white soon.


Heuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheuheue


I'm not sure what this means... but it could mean Shaco's dragon ability and baron soloing abilities just got hit very hard.
sigh.

(Shaco's clone would always stay the same stats as main shaco, even if you were reducing its AD or attack speed or whatever - if they changed that ima rage)
don't get excited yet cause last time they bug fixed shaco they created 2 more

@john
sure
 

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Seems like they actually had fairly smart changes this patch.

Shen should be quite strong for the first 6 levels now, and tanky AP will be a viable choice for him.
 

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Seems like they actually had fairly smart changes this patch.

Shen should be quite strong for the first 6 levels now, and tanky AP will be a viable choice for him.
Buff Garen's Spin AD ratio by .2 and increasing the range of Fling are SMART changes?

0_0
 

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I spoke in general terms, obviously. They also nerfed the base damage on Garen's spin (which does per second damage, so it's actually significant) while increased the bonus AD ratio by a measly 0.2 (keep in mind that's BONUS AD). That's an overall nerf to early game, buff to late, which is a good change.

Singed getting buffs was their required "wtf" change of the patch.
 

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10 damage is nothing. .2 bonus AD is A LOT.
Since people seem to bad at math... it would take 50 additional AD with that extra 0.2 ratio to be equivalent to that 10 damage reduction.

50AD*0.2 = 10. That means you lost about 1650 gold worth of damage PER SECOND on Garen.
 

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Since people seem to bad at math... it would take 50 additional AD with that extra 0.2 ratio to be equivalent to that 10 damage reduction.

50AD*0.2 = 10. That means you lost about 1650 gold worth of damage PER SECOND on Garen.
I blow things out of proportion all the time; it's actually my specialty. What happens when I build (logical) AD though? idk, I'm not really wanting to enter an argument because I'm still a noob and don't possess any extensive knowledge.
 

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I spoke in general terms, obviously. They also nerfed the base damage on Garen's spin (which does per second damage, so it's actually significant) while increased the bonus AD ratio by a measly 0.2 (keep in mind that's BONUS AD). That's an overall nerf to early game, buff to late, which is a good change.

Singed getting buffs was their required "wtf" change of the patch.
They changed nunus range to 125 as well as someone else, they just wanted to make it consistent with other melee champs.
 

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Damage per level increased to 3.5 from 2.75
Heh, pretty cool.

Defensive Ball Curl
Magic damage return adjusted to 20/30/40/50/60 from 22/26/32/38/46
Cast time removed
NICE. The cast time always annoyed the hell outta me, and the extra damage is welcomed.

Rammus can now immediately switch between Defensive Ball Curl and Powerball
Sweet.
Mother.
Of.
God.
 

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All of those changes were good with me, and in the right place.
Except...
Singed getting 25 more range on Fling?

So now all those times I just barely inched my way passed a Singed to live... nope.avi
 

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All of those changes were good with me, and in the right place.
Except...
Singed getting 25 more range on Fling?

So now all those times I just barely inched my way passed a Singed to live... nope.avi
As someone who literally just picked up Singed today, I am okay with this buff.
 

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The singed change is just a standardised thing they're implementing...

But yeah...
Okay folks.
Let's talk shaco.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION - Shaco is a viable jungler again that is usable in arranged play.
However, he is competing against:
Lee Sin - Similar ganking powers, stronger as AD tanky dps, hard (read: impossible) to counter jungle, non-reliance on blue
Nocturne - Stronger as tanky dps, strong post-6 gank, hard to counter jungle, non-reliance on blue

Because otherwise the junglers a team wants in the current meta are tanks (Amumu/etc)
The non-reliance on blue is also a big part to Lee Sin. Shaco currently is almost always requiring blue buff pre-level 10 unless he has wiggles.

BUT
Boxes are now immune to damage while stealthed if the source cannot see them
Has a LOT of implications in terms of his ability in team fights/assassination.

While nearly unheard of, AP Jungle Shaco is currently capable of fast speeds with tanky masteries and/or rune pages and can jungle w/o blue earlier than AD shaco can (as in, its less item reliant). But it has a weak ganker (by this I mean if he ganks a lane with a stun and jitbs someone well yeah its STRONGER, but this isn't too easy to pull off) and is actually a lot better suited to pure counter jungling. So realistically he can fill an AP jungler niche atm (imo): he's faster than fiddlesticks, better gank pre-6 (arguable actually) and actually harder to counter jungle and has better map control.

IMHO, the only thing holding back shaco from being quite hard to counter jungle / reliance on blue are his small mana pool / mana costs. But that's not what I'm interested in though...
Is there a niche for Shaco?
I would say his ability to dragon and baron surpass Noct/Lee by quite a bit (even though they may have nerfed this a bit this patch?)
Plus his hard cc just got a usability buff. What implications does this have on his lane ganks? They probably remain similar level (i.e. slightly weaker than Lee) but his team fight and baron and dragon zoning just got buffed through the roof. The sheer fact someone has to get feared for 0.5-1.5 seconds to go anywhere near certain map objectives is HUGE
 

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A singed buff... finally more range on Fling.
Annoyed the hell out of me when I'd be so close to them and cast fling only for it to not work. I Cannot count the amount of times i've died cause of fling not working even though I was right next to them as The enemy and I are both under 100 health. (mostly talking about fights in the 1-7 level range)

No twitch buffs is what makes me sad...
 

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There was probably some kind of bug or impracticality with moves like fling that had 100 range. Note they also improved Nunu's consume to that range as well.

And as for Twitch, psh. Eve is the champion they never want to do well.
 

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I like a lot of the buff changes. Although I think it was a *meh* change spell flux on Ezreal having the ability to break spell shields sounds cool. Now W can just be a 1 point wonder in certain lanes or do the same thing that's currently common (max Q and E, AD Style) and by the time you level W is about the time where you will be grouping and having that little extra utility will be nice. Might actually be a solid counter to Morgana because of this lol.

I really like the Shaco buffs, can't wait to play him again.

Please post thoughts on Riven! Thinking about getting her when I'm home if people like her kit.
 

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I don't even understand why anyone is talking about the Ezreal change like it's meaningful... It pops Banshee's, Sivir's, and Noct's spell shields now, that's it. This is uninteresting and highly irrelevant 99% of the time.

Or the singed change, lol, wtf? It's part of their effort to normalize "melee" attacks/abilities. It will do basically nothing.

We should instead be talking about how Mordekaiser got butchered or about how Sion looks like a sexy beast who listens to power metal. Or about solo lane Taric. Or about the return of inescapable 1v1 vlad. Or about attack speed Kassadin. OR MOST IMPORTANTLY ABOUT HOW MY FLASHES WILL NO LONGER EAT MY MANTRA CHARGES, **** YEA!
 

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ZAC WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT
THERES A DEEP SEA KASSADIN
LOCH NESS CHO GATH
UNDERWATER THING KOGMAW
THAT MEANS THERES GONNA BE A SCUBA MALZAHAR
DONT YOU SEEEEEEE?????

@arcnatural - i thinking about getting riven ASAP... or at least i was 100% going to get her ASAP until i played talon and omg he is so fun. and i only have enough IP for one of them. lol.

@ruin - shaya is literally obsessed with shaco.
 

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Talon does some intense amounts of damage, but Riven will be more mobile and dynamic, thus more fun to play.

I need to sit on my IP and decide between not nerfed Lee Sin and Riven.

That said... Renekton getting progressively better for top lane as all the stronger champs get nerfed.
 

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Or the singed change, lol, wtf? It's part of their effort to normalize "melee" attacks/abilities. It will do basically nothing.
I cant count on my hands how many times over the past day that Ive even used this guy that I've been a hair away from getting a Fling, or how many times that, if I just reached them barely sooner, it would have been perfect. I've literally played 4 or 5 games with this guy at most and I know that, at least for me, it'll make a difference of up to 3 or 4 kills/assists a game.
 

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there will be plenty of times, too, where you are 160 distance away from a an opponent to fling, and when earlier you wouldn't even have considered it, now you will see it as frustratingly just out of reach
 
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