Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Sinister Slush]

I still play my kind, my jungle picks is basically shaco skarskar and kha'dix.

But yeah... I'm so amazed by that ****fest I had a need to voice what I thought on leddit too.
I hate myself, but not as more as gambit after that game. 2v5 4 low health enemies doing baron with jungler at 10%. Why not ****ing go in you pusses, free kills and possibly even baron steal.

 

[Espy Rose]

I didn't see that, but it sounds fraudulent as hell.

 

[teluoborg]

The funniest part was that they took unnecessary risks during the whole game, but when something interesting could happen no let's just stand here and watch.

Those guys have nothing to do with the original m5.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like the new Ashe a lot, but then I realized other people are also either really bad with her or forgot how to play against her.

 

[Dre89]

If you're an assassin, is it worth trading your life for the ADC if you're fed and they're not really?

I had a game where our Ashe kept DCing so the early-mid game was basically 4v5. Won my lane as usual, 3-0d the enemy Nidalee in lane and was up in CS because I only got ganked 2-3 times. After that I basically kept picking off the ADC when he'd farm sidelanes, but sometimes their Vi would come clean me up. I figured it'd be worth because I was forcing 4v3s and theyd have no ADC (our ADC was back at this point but still behind). In teamfights I'd kill their Graves but I'd often get killed in return.

Was I wrong to keep trading for Graves? We lost the game, I went 20/13, only 2-3 of my deaths were free and weren't trades. I thought you're supposed to trade for the ADC but I'm not really sure now.

 

[Sinister Slush]

You kill threats, if enemy ad isn't a threat than y wasting flash ignite ult etc. on somebody that's essentially using a flash ult on support.

 

[Dre89]

You kill threats, if enemy ad isn't a threat than y wasting flash ignite ult etc. on somebody that's essentially using a flash ult on support.

They roughly all had the same gold, and my my ADC supp and top were behind so I figured Graves would be the biggest threat. They had a Nasus but I couldn't kill him. Their Nid went 0-3 to me in lane but got like 5 kills from 2 roams and got a fairly early hourglass so I couldn't really kill her in teamfights. It was hard for me to survive in later teamfights because the Graves got QSS, so I needed double Q and autos to kill him, which gave the rest of their team enough time to pick me off afterwards.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Splitpush.

 

[Dre89]

Splitpush.

I did

Their Graves would split, so I killed him but their Vi cleaned me up after and my team proceeded to get wiped 4v3 against no ADC.

It was hard to for me to split because they could send two people for me and my team would still lose a fight with man advantage.

 

[Sinister Slush]

get gooder then

 

[KRDsonic]

Most comebacks I have usually result from the enemy team having someone who's fed who keeps going off on their own to do something while leaving the rest of their team to teamfight without them. If you're the most fed member on your team by far, then the enemy team gets more from killing you than you get from killing one neutral threat from their team. At least from my experiences. What's terrifying is when that fed person is always with their team and you never have to way to pick them off or deal with them.

 

[Shaya]

One of my no.1 nearly always correct sorrow queue rules (when you want to carry/etc) is
Don't Die.
Ever.

If you're the force behind your team's success, then you being unavailable for a minute leaves the rest of your bad team to **** up more. Rarely should your solo queue mindset be to trade kills or sacrifice yourself for the greater good, unless your certain the rest of the team can do something about it. In some cases it seems obvious it's a smart choice to make, that's when you have a well synced up team behind you.

 

[Cheerilee]

@ Dre89

Get rid of the MR blues on your Zed. Trade them in for Flat CDR.

 

[Dre89]

Cherilee- I take 5% CDR and 4 MR in glyphs, so I get 10% from runes/masteries. Figured 4 MR is better than 2.5% CDR.

One of my no.1 nearly always correct sorrow queue rules (when you want to carry/etc) is
Don't Die.
Ever.

If you're the force behind your team's success, then you being unavailable for a minute leaves the rest of your bad team to **** up more. Rarely should your solo queue mindset be to trade kills or sacrifice yourself for the greater good, unless your certain the rest of the team can do something about it. In some cases it seems obvious it's a smart choice to make, that's when you have a well synced up team behind you.

I agree with what you're saying, but how would you suggest I be impactful as Zed without dying? Graves had QSS, which meant I needed double Q and autos to kill him, and I was focused by the enemy team because I was the main threat. Do you think I should've just poked without committing with ult? Against QSS it takes me about 4 seconds to kills Graves so I can't burst him in 2 seconds and yet back out.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I highly doubt the runes are why he's losing games. It's something internal, something about his play and his teams play.

 

[Dre89]

I highly doubt the runes are why he's losing games. It's something internal, something about his play and his teams play.

If you saw me play a few games as Zed, I think you'd acknowkedge that mechanically better than the people in my elo in terms of laning and fighting etc. I'm tactically better than most people in my elo, but obviously not to the point where I can carry inferior teams on my back when I play Zed, which I'm guessing is a decision-making thing.

It's also Zed-related, because I carry teams on my back as Rumble a lot, and 'carry' as Shen by winning losing lanes with ults. I used to win with inferior teams a lot too when I played CC junglers like Naut. But Zed is more fun and rewarding so I'm dedicated to learning how to carry on him.

 

[KRDsonic]

Bleh, my laptop's charger is going out, and since it has so many problems as it is, I finally went ahead and bought a new laptop. I didn't realize how absolutely horrible the touchpad on this is though, so I guess I'll have to try to get used to playing league with a mouse instead of a touchpad.

 

[Cheerilee]

I highly doubt the runes are why he's losing games. It's something internal, something about his play and his teams play.

Imo he should have stopped ganking bot lane when it became obvious that lane was a "lost" lane with the ADC disconnecting meaning that the support had to field the lane defensively. Support + ADC getting ahead = who cares. You have Nasus in top lane getting fed with the top laner somehow losing to him so he can get all the farm he wants if he knows how to zone out the opposing top laner with his stat advantage and you know that the game is going into late game.

They roughly all had the same gold, and my my ADC supp and top were behind so I figured Graves would be the biggest threat. They had a Nasus but I couldn't kill him.

How is Graves the biggest threat when you have a Nasus that you can't kill? Even a 0-3 Nidalee is a bigger threat than Graves because of the range she has got on those spears that she can just chuck in the middle of a skirmish. Nasus in late game will just chunk anyone who isn't wearing armor with a Q to 1/4 health and we don't even know who the top/support/jungler are who are way more important than you at this point since they at least hopefully have enough hard CC to chain stun an Ashe ult into this menace so he can't just Q everything back.

Also this whole Vi thing. How does Vi even catch a Zed aside from her using her ultimate on him? If a Zed sees a Vi coming can't he just use shadows and flash to easily escape while Vi has a Q that slows her down before she's able to gap close on him? In order for Vi to inflict damage she needs to be within melee distance of a Zed and Zed is arguably one of the hardest champions to get into melee distance with in order to inflict damage. I don't even know. Even with a stalker's blade smite it just seems like you had to really overextend or plan poorly for Vi to actually counter-gank you into submission.

 

[Cheerilee]

I can imagine the teamfight right now. Dre. goes in HAM on the ADC and Nasus charges past him and mows down the rest of his team. Dre. kills the ADC with his death mark and Vi ults him and the rest of her team lays on the damage as he's immobile. Then he sees that his death is the "ace" and asks in chat why the team focused on Nasus when he is just the tank and they should have gone into the back line with him.

 

[Espy Rose]

Cheerilee whats your name on League?

 

[Sinister Slush]

I honestly hope CLG comes out on top along with Liquid. If anyone didn't notice btw, C9 got like 1 dragon i think from their two games last week. So unless they shape up, they're gonna keep having random losses like they did against DIG whenever they play better teams like Gravity T8 TDK etc.

 

[Player-3]

or may be

dig is just a good team

 

[Sinister Slush]

My little dig can't be THIS good

 

[Cheerilee]

Cheerilee whats your name on League?

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/62585573#profile

 

[Sinister Slush]

Added, also C9 only got 1 dragon and lost to gravity.
Called it.

 

[Dre89]

Imo he should have stopped ganking bot lane when it became obvious that lane was a "lost" lane with the ADC disconnecting meaning that the support had to field the lane defensively. Support + ADC getting ahead = who cares. You have Nasus in top lane getting fed with the top laner somehow losing to him so he can get all the farm he wants if he knows how to zone out the opposing top laner with his stat advantage and you know that the game is going into late game.



How is Graves the biggest threat when you have a Nasus that you can't kill? Even a 0-3 Nidalee is a bigger threat than Graves because of the range she has got on those spears that she can just chuck in the middle of a skirmish. Nasus in late game will just chunk anyone who isn't wearing armor with a Q to 1/4 health and we don't even know who the top/support/jungler are who are way more important than you at this point since they at least hopefully have enough hard CC to chain stun an Ashe ult into this menace so he can't just Q everything back.

Also this whole Vi thing. How does Vi even catch a Zed aside from her using her ultimate on him? If a Zed sees a Vi coming can't he just use shadows and flash to easily escape while Vi has a Q that slows her down before she's able to gap close on him? In order for Vi to inflict damage she needs to be within melee distance of a Zed and Zed is arguably one of the hardest champions to get into melee distance with in order to inflict damage. I don't even know. Even with a stalker's blade smite it just seems like you had to really overextend or plan poorly for Vi to actually counter-gank you into submission.

I can't remember if I ganked bot during the laning phase or not, most of my Graves kills were in teamfights or when he was splitting after.

The Vi situation I talked about was when Graves was splitting bot, and I went to kill him. I had to expend my W to kill him, and his burst took off like 80% of my health. The Vi just came and ulted me, my W wasn't up again Then my team lost 4v3 on the otherside of the map.

I didn't ult Nasus in teamfights because I couldn't burst him and I figured an Ashe and Cho should be to kite him, seeing as their Vi would go on me every fight after I'd kill Graves instead of diving our backline. I was also the only person who could get onto the Graves who still had 9 kills and a fair few items, so I figured he'd just wreck us. I figured it made sense to go for Graves because Nasus could have been dealt with through peel and kiting, but I was the only one who could deal with graves.

I think the reason why I struggle to carry as Zed is because Zed can only kill one priority target, whereas in a lot of my games I need to be able to kill multiple by myself. That's much easier to do as someone like Rumble. Also whenever I try splitpush the enemy team will send 2-3 people for me and my team won't get anything out of it. I had a game yesterday where we got mid inhib, so our jungler told our team to group around baron whilst I split bot. I go bot, enemy team sends 3 to kill me and they don't take Baron despite being on that side of the map.

 

[Z'zgashi]

tl;dr, is trading deaths worth it? Usually no, id say value your life above all else in solo queue. If you would die doing it, dont do it, regardless of who you are and what role youre in. Now, if you find yourself in a position where you KNOW you're going to die, either just go ham, or do something random/hilarious/awesome and hope it works, cuz if it does you look like a cool dude and if it fails whatever you were dead anyway.

 

[Cheerilee]

Not sure what I need to do to carry out of Bronze IV. It's a different beast altogether.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflege...49515894/219107822?tab=overview&participant=8

 

[Soft Serve]

My little brother wants me to try to get his account out of bronze after he finished his placements (he's like 3 wins 5 loses right now). My plan was to just go olaf top and never leave lane unless it's a free counter gank bot lane or something

 

[Sinister Slush]

I've loved fizz since S3.
I loved the AD fizz when it was a thing. Why did they nerf it when the likes of Irelia Maokai Gnar etc. exist. It's so hard to make top smite fizz work cause I do well in lane up 15+ cs around 7 minute mark until the jungler comes top for a minute or two and I lose that lead cause of the pressure.

Then again I'm playing normals, so I guess to be expected that they gank whatever lane is doing well at the start while your jungler is afk farming lol

 

[Dre89]

My little brother wants me to try to get his account out of bronze after he finished his placements (he's like 3 wins 5 loses right now). My plan was to just go olaf top and never leave lane unless it's a free counter gank bot lane or something

Best way to carry in low elo is to go mid. You can pretty much always solokill the enemy mid in low elo unless you get ganked like 5 times in 10 minutes (which happens a lot if your other lanes are losing).

You can honestly blind pick assassins or burst casters like Syndra and you'll always get kills. I have solo killed literally every Lissandra and Kayle I've ever versed in ranked as Zed at least once in lane and I have no mechanics. Just make sure you pick a champion that can do damage to lots of targets in team fights.

If you don't have the mechanics play a CC jungler. Just gank mid and bot pre6 and take drag when the enemy jg ganks top.

 

[Player-3]

dre if u can't carry low elo why are you giving advice on how to carry low elo

 

[Dre89]

dre if u can't carry low elo why are you giving advice on how to carry low elo

Because I can and I've done it before, I just can't do it on Zed. Skill+only being able to kill one target is hard for me.

I'm just trying to carry on Zed because it's my Zed smurf. If I really wanted to try hard climb on this account I'd just spam champs like Rumble and Jax who do tons of damage with no skill required. Or I'd go supportive CC types like Naut and Shen.

 

[Soft Serve]

Best way to carry in low elo is to go mid. You can pretty much always solokill the enemy mid in low elo unless you get ganked like 5 times in 10 minutes (which happens a lot if your other lanes are losing).

You can honestly blind pick assassins or burst casters like Syndra and you'll always get kills. I have solo killed literally every Lissandra and Kayle I've ever versed in ranked as Zed at least once in lane and I have no mechanics. Just make sure you pick a champion that can do damage to lots of targets in team fights.

If you don't have the mechanics play a CC jungler. Just gank mid and bot pre6 and take drag when the enemy jg ganks top.

I disagree tbh, playing assassin's in low elo is dumb unless you're doing so to specifically counter pick a mid lane or something. Low elo has no idea when to actually team fight, most of the time if there isn't a braindead person afk farming they will just "group" and dance around/siege and the first person to get cleanly caught/ force a bad engage loses the fight because they have no sense of when to follow up and when to fight. I don't think diving for an enemy adc and trading while the rest of you team gets zoned by some fed bruiser is worth it if you're the best person on your team.

Low elo also has no idea when to rotate and most group rotations take like an extra 30 seconds to communicate.
The easiest way to carry in Low elo is to abuse why they are in low elo instead of trying to assume smart play and do good assassin things. Pick someone who can split all day and still have impact (any bruiser with tp and good laneing or late game), or someone who can reliably dive 1v3 and kill an adc while tanking adc/support dmg, or pick a siege monster like ziggs/xerath/ap kog because they will just let you pick them down in long ass sieges and get free objectives.

Poop on people for bad positioning and catch them out of their bad rotations, but you have to remember your team probably sucks st these things too so don't expect them to rotate well or take objectives when you pull them on one side of the map or follow up a free engage. Just split push and have map presence or siege with dump siege champs

 

[Sinister Slush]

I feel like Dre's posts is something similar to what boxbox said which was, "Nobody has ever read twitch chat and said their lives are infinitely better"Except for this case, it's more of "Nobody has ever read what Dre posts and said Thank you, I climbed up due to your help"

Honestly, half the stuff you say boils down to "I X a Y once so do that and it'll work" "I beat a challenjour player on my hydrogen 7 smurf with fiora in ranked 5's, so I'm good enough to be gold"


The best way to solo carry low ELO is to play the game, aggressively ping and git gud. Along with realize while you're **** at the game, the rest of the 9 players in that game are **** too, so expect to either hard carry as if on a master smurf, or group to be one gigantic pile of **** with messy teamfights that last for 20ish seconds.

Or play Sex King

 

[Cheerilee]

I stopped buying QSS after talking about it here and went for hexdrinker path options instead. Had a pretty big difference for me and helped me in my last game. Much love.

 

[Sinister Slush]

As much as I hate streamers that're just streaming for money obviously but are also boring, there's nobody else on and I decided to tune into Nightblue's stream.
He's been doing bronze2diamond ranked 5's the past two weeks and after 110+ games they're barely silver 1. It kinda shows that some bronzies just can't be saved, along with it being amazing how bad they can be. Although he's trying to carry from jungle, just doesn't work sometimes.

 

[Dre89]

I feel like Dre's posts is something similar to what boxbox said which was, "Nobody has ever read twitch chat and said their lives are infinitely better"Except for this case, it's more of "Nobody has ever read what Dre posts and said Thank you, I climbed up due to your help"

Honestly, half the stuff you say boils down to "I X a Y once so do that and it'll work" "I beat a challenjour player on my hydrogen 7 smurf with fiora in ranked 5's, so I'm good enough to be gold"


The best way to solo carry low ELO is to play the game, aggressively ping and git gud. Along with realize while you're **** at the game, the rest of the 9 players in that game are **** too, so expect to either hard carry as if on a master smurf, or group to be one gigantic pile of **** with messy teamfights that last for 20ish seconds.

Or play Sex King

Uh my advice for climbing out of how elo would be pretty decent seeing as I've actually done it recently. And my strategy of using supportive CC champs wasn't just a one-time wonder, I was consistently getting 5 game+ winstreaks. I once had a 10 game and 14 game win-streak on those types of champions.

If anything, it's probably better to listen to my advice on climbing out of how elo since I've done it recently, rather than from someone who probably hasn't played in Bronze since like S2 when apparently Bronze was like level 10 and Gold was like current Bronze.

Also the only reason why I think I'm good enough to be Gold is because I was climbing in Gold elo before the season 5 reset, and because I win my lane most of the time in that elo. So it's not really theorycraft, because I was actually successfull there. That's why I don't say I deserve Plat, because I've never proven myself there in a non-ranked 5s setting.

 

[Cheerilee]

It kinda shows that some bronzies just can't be saved, along with it being amazing how bad they can be.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflege...1849515894/219107822?tab=builds&participant=7

Warwick ult suppression. Thresh throws chain into Warwick ult. Misses. Uses flay outside of range of enemy champion. Then uses box immediately afterwards. Enemy champion is still outside the range of the box. Enemy champion runs, Warwick can probably secure with Frozen Mallet procs, but gets hit by Ashe arrow. Sejuani attempts to finish them off from the jungle, uses her ultimate and misses.

Annie with 0 defense runes and 0 defensive masteries. Builds Rod of Ages as her first AP damage dealing item. Also Annie with the most deaths because she is pushing her wave and getting camped by Rengar in the same bush three times, has the least amount of wards purchased.

Or how about that Ashe who somehow went through a Doran's Blade crisis and didn't remember it after game. Honestly, I don't remember how the hell that happened. Christ.

 

[Cheerilee]

I feel like Dre's posts is something similar to what boxbox said which was, "Nobody has ever read twitch chat and said their lives are infinitely better"Except for this case, it's more of "Nobody has ever read what Dre posts and said Thank you, I climbed up due to your help" Honestly, half the stuff you say boils down to "I X a Y once so do that and it'll work" "I beat a challenjour player on my hydrogen 7 smurf with fiora in ranked 5's, so I'm good enough to be gold" The best way to solo carry low ELO is to play the game, aggressively ping and git gud. Along with realize while you're **** at the game, the rest of the 9 players in that game are **** too, so expect to either hard carry as if on a master smurf, or group to be one gigantic pile of **** with messy teamfights that last for 20ish seconds. Or play Sex King

Dre has actually been a really good pH test to determine whether I'm too toxic or not to really play a game of League. What you do is right before you're going to queue in for a Solo Q game, you go to this thread and read all his comments and imagine that four other people are telling you how to play because you just died. Then if you get upset, you close your League client and do something else or just not play Solo Q for the day because you want to actually be a happy person and do constructive things.