Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Dre89]

Support Janna doesn't have 500 AP

I got those stats with only 2-3 AP items after going Frostqueen and sight stone. The 120 AP items get you those kind of stats. She probably has the best AP scaling of any support.

 

[Zano]

You don't really need to max the shield first.

and that's where I stopped reading.


Until yesterday, i completely forgot that amumu was even a champ in this game since season 2. He's still awful but I guess spirit stone makes him not need every single blue of the game to do anything.

 

[Sinister Slush]

SotAG brings back tank junglers. I kept mentioning Maokai and Naut, but completely forgot about Amumu myself lol.

 

[Player-3]

its ya boi rammus jungle comin in hot

 

[Z'zgashi]

Jungle Gragas and Sejuani though.

I also feel like jungle Braum might become a thing (or more of a thing if people were already doing it? Ive never seen one). Emphasis on might.

 

[Dre89]

Edit- Does Ardent censor's passive proc off the healing from Shen's Q? I can't test this atm but if it does that is like a permanent AS steroid for the carry.

Tanks have always been viable, they still win games at the highest level of play. I don't understand why people thought they weren't viable and now they suddenly are because their clear speeds got buffed.

The reasons why they don't get picked is because champs like Elise have just as good ganks but also do a lot more damage. They're also much better duellists, which is why tanks have always had issues getting counter jungled. The changes are nice but I don't see how it suddenly alleviates the problem of being a bad duelist and vulnerable to counter jungling.

 

[egaddmario]

Maokai is crazy good now. An E that slows, plus no cast time on W is insane. Not to mention that ult follows him while he walks. So good.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow that Sona rework looks really good.

As a Sona main I approve.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

The aura ranges are way too short.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Even without another person on there it's still redonculous.

 

[teluoborg]

Thoughts on essence reaver finally getting the 80 AD it deserves ? The recipe doesn't make sense now, but I guess they can just throw in a forbidden idol or something.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I think it'll prolly see more play, but people still getting IE or Bork instead of that item still tbh.
10 cdr and mana regen for 3100 or 3300 gold was it?
Dunno but AD carries but now jayce ez etc. can have an excuse for building it since back then only 50 AD for 2650 gold compared to say 2300 for LW lol.

 

[Dre89]

Does anyone else think that the golem changes are counter-intuitive? I find it odd that they trimmed the early-game stats in exchange for a lategame buff. The traditional tanks were always better lategame than the likes of the monk and the spider, it was their weaker early game that made them unpopular in compettitive play. The changes just make them even weaker early and even stronger late.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Did you just seriously say Lee and Elise are weak early?

Also Lee sin doesn't build SotAG.

 

[Z'zgashi]

No he said tanks are weaker than Lee/Elise early and stronger late game.

 

[Player-3]

wat new golem makes tanks WAAAAAAAAY better early game how does it make them weaker in any way besides i guess the hp value on the item???? (WHICH THE EHP IS ACTUALLY HIGHER CUZ IT GIVES ARMOR NOW) massively increased clear speeds on (most) tanks with new golem is really really important for their early strength, as they dont fall as far behind in farming to the early game terrors

 

[Asdioh]

Quill Coat gives 20 armor and costs the same amount of gold as Spirit Stone which gives zero combat stats.
Meanwhile Golem's HP went down from 350 to 200+25% of bonus HP, which makes it 250 by default, plus whatever HP you get from masteries or whatever. Then you build like one HP item and it's as much HP or more. Plus 20 armor and a more useful clearing/sustaining passive. It no longer gives tenacity but tanks aren't generally desperate for that. Riot really does need better tenacity itemization though, it's always been garbage. Might just need to rework the whole stat.

Did you just seriously say Lee and Elise are weak early?

Also Lee sin doesn't build SotAG.

no you read it wrong


Has anyone tried tank junglers with this patch? I'm kinda hyped about Rammus being even better (jk he sucks still probably). I played a Naut game in normals and won because

Spoiler

my team was better and it was 5v4

 

[Dre89]

I forgot that 250 health plus armour is more effective HP than 350 health (against AD), my bad. I don't think clear speed was ever the probem for tank junglers though. The problem is that junglers like spider have similar gank potential but do more damage, and are better duelists, meaning they can counterjungle. I don't see how the new golem really alleviates those problems though.

I like the changes and think that tank junglers have always been viable, but I don't think they actually address the reasons why tanks aren't liked in competitive play.

Asdioh- Whenever I go on tilt and lose a couple of games, I play Naut jungle (my second most played champion) and like always win. I've always thought tank junglers were underrated.

 

[Player-3]

they werent really underrated most everybody knows how strong they are lategame problem is they arent picked in challenger elo because the lee sin/elise is going to **** on you so hard no matter what you do, and since they arent picked on streams nobody picks them in lower elo because hivemind

 

[Dre89]

But you see the pros decide to randomly play with a tank in soloq for one game and win, so it's not like they can't win at the highest level in soloq.

People seem to think that if pros don't play a champ, then they're somehow not viable in soloq. I remember when I was ranting about Jax being OP and people here were telling me that he doesn't fit the meta and he can get shut down. Then like 2 weeks later he's 100% pick/ban and everyone is talking about how OP he is.

 

[Zano]

you literally just said the exact same thing he said, I don't get it.

 

[Shaya]

Jax to me still legitimately feels like just the result of the nerf cycle.

 

[Z'zgashi]

First off, every champ is viable in solo queue, anyone who tells you otherwise is ********. There are obviously champs that are MORE viable, but you can play anything so long as they fit the role youre running them in. And saying that pros can play a tank jungle in solo queue doesnt mean anything. Anyone can jungle almost anything and make it work in solo queue. The fact of the matter is that when people are discussing viability, they mean top level 5s play, not solo queue games with little to no team comp/coordination/etc. Tank junglers were weak because they could be easily abused in the early game to the point where they couldnt hit their late game potential and in Top level 5s, they were easy to abuse and shut down.

Next, Jax wasnt OP when you were originally saying that, he was just average, it just so happened 2 weeks later they nerfed some top lane champs (Renekton was a big one) and also nerfed DShield hard. THAT is what brought him back into the limelight.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He's still gonna be a strong top laner even with these nerfs.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I was talking about Jax months ago not now, the fact that I said 2 weeks before the DShield nerfs shouldve been enough for people to realize what time frame I was roughly talking about.

 

[Dre89]

First off, every champ is viable in solo queue, anyone who tells you otherwise is ********. There are obviously champs that are MORE viable, but you can play anything so long as they fit the role youre running them in. And saying that pros can play a tank jungle in solo queue doesnt mean anything. Anyone can jungle almost anything and make it work in solo queue. The fact of the matter is that when people are discussing viability, they mean top level 5s play, not solo queue games with little to no team comp/coordination/etc. Tank junglers were weak because they could be easily abused in the early game to the point where they couldnt hit their late game potential and in Top level 5s, they were easy to abuse and shut down.

Next, Jax wasnt OP when you were originally saying that, he was just average, it just so happened 2 weeks later they nerfed some top lane champs (Renekton was a big one) and also nerfed DShield hard. THAT is what brought him back into the limelight.

At the time I was saying that, Zionspartan was forcing Jax bans after stomping two games with him. At that time Jax was basically forcing bans on every team that was known to play him (one or two Challenger teams).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll say this, the nerfs did help.

But only until he buys a cheap items, then he can get rolling again. Either they need people who can bully him better or nerf him directly some more.

At the time I was saying that, Zionspartan was forcing Jax bans after stomping two games with him. At that time Jax was basically forcing bans on every team that was known to play him (one or two Challenger teams).

He had an 87% ban rate before this patch went out.

That's almost as high as pre-rework Kassadin got. He's pretty dumb right now unless you can scale with him or beat him early.

The Former is just maybe, Nasus/Ryze/Singed for people who can face him and scale as hard.

For the ladder, there are a good chunk that can, the issue is a single death can end the lane against Jax giving it to him.

It's an issue of him scaling too fast while having too many options to walk away from early game ok. Same problem Ryze is doing right now, when he can win, he bullies too hard and scales obscenely well.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Ryu were talking about the game from like 3+ months ago, his current state has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, read please.

If youre talking about when Zion was playing him, that was right after said nerfs I mentioned, so in that case, you were calling him OP when a lot of other people were as well. I thought you were talking even before that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Seems I'm misreading this then. :x.

 

[Dre89]

Ryu were talking about the game from like 3+ months ago, his current state has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, read please.

If youre talking about when Zion was playing him, that was right after said nerfs I mentioned, so in that case, you were calling him OP when a lot of other people were as well. I thought you were talking even before that.

No because I remember people telling me he didn't fit the meta and he could get shut down after Zion was using him. I remember answering Shaya's post that he's not good in high level play by referencing Zion.

 

[Sinister Slush]

it just so happened 2 weeks later they nerfed some top lane champs (Renekton was a big one) and also nerfed DShield hard. THAT is what brought him back into the limelight.

Pretty sure Renekton got no nerfs but the opposite of the word nerf.
Buffs.

Cause I currently remember his ult getting more health and damage and i think Q bugfix or damage added too it, one of those.

http://smashboards.com/threads/leag...to-get-a-lot-more-manly-4-22.283410/page-1547
Jax Discussion

Off topic but is Ryu's avatar a fusion of some animu character winnie the pooh and tympole?

 

[Dre89]

The Jax rant I was talking about was before that.

Also the last croc change I remember was that his ult health got nerfed at level 6 but buffed at level 16.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Off topic but is Ryu's avatar a fusion of some animu character winnie the pooh and tympole?

Nope.

Also these nightmare bots are pretty fun to play against.

 

[Dre89]

I'm trying to think of a champs that have never been used in competitive play. I only started playing in S3, but the only ones I can think of at the moment are Sion and Viktor, and even then I don't know if they were used in S1 or 2.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Viktor wasnt around back then (he mightve been late season 2 dont remember) and Sion was used before I believe.

 

[Player-3]

viktor has been played in competitive play and sion used to be incredibly broken in s1

 

[Dre89]

The only one I can think of then is possibly Sejuani. I''ve never seen Darius played but I assume he would've got play around his release. It's pretty cool to think that all of 115+ champs have been used in competitive play.

 

[BSL]

Viktor is fun.

 

[Dre89]

I just had my 14 game winning streak in ranked broken because two people on my team DC'd.

In a promo

And now the losing streak begins

 

[Player-3]

sejuani has been played by bigfatjiji when he was junglin for clg

velocity played viktor

nickwu played alot of darius when he was on complexity in the first split