I'm completely appalled by how this game managed to fall apart.
Summoner, for starters, is still the best lynch, and I think I did a fine job empirically proving that. Did you guys read it? Because it sure as hell wasn't just an explanation of what a turdburglar's game Summoner played toDay.
Marc, using meta to 100% clear someone from the lynch is dumb up and down. Do you honestly think that someone is going to play the same scum every time? Especially, as you've so eagerly touted, if you "saw through him D1"? Similarity between present behavior and past behavior as scum can be a scumtell.
Difference of behavior in the same circumstances is
not a towntell. Furthermore, Summoner's "style", if you can call it that, hasn't exactly been all that impressive, considering it attracted immediate attention, and as I showed in my post, is a perfect scum gambit if you can pull it off, because you get to hide behind one opinion for an entire Day. Jesus. You're better than that kind of logic, so what's the deal?
Also I support Marc for his rage at Cello but not for spending like half of his recent posts raging about it and half actually scumhunting. Talk about time that could be better spent.
Then again, Cello wouldn't have claimed if he wasn't at L-1.
And on that note, big
FoS at Tando, now. First Tando instaclears Summoner because of his "in your face" attitude (what?) and then she tries to use Summoner as a proxy to lynch Cello. Cello who is now 99% confirmed town. Oh, but of course, she also threatened to vote Summoner. What? Having your cake and eating it too, much?
Kat already pointed out the circular logic inherent in this exchange ad infinitum. It bothered me plenty, but there's no point retreading the same ground that already has been -- a parroter, I am not. But another bothersome point is that Tando puts herself in a position where she can either lynch Cello, whom we can only assume for now is telling the truth, or lynch with what was (and still is) the smartest lynch -- but with a whole bunch of doubt put up in neon signs leading up to it.
Thus, Cello gets lynched and flips town (and the PR of all ****ing things), Tando can wash her hands with a "Hey, Summoner convinced me with ____." Summoner gets lynched and flips town (I really doubt it, but let's pretend), she says "Hey, I gave him every opportunity, it's his own fault!"
Don't like that one bit.
But hey, KEEKEE, then why aren't you switching if you disliked that so much?
Because Summoner has still done literally nothing that convinced me of townieness. Before the big post came raining in, Summoner was playing the usual BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR HUR HUR HUR cards, and still being aggressively useless and saying jack **** of substance.
Afterward Summoner backpedaled and actually started doing stuff. Enough stuff? Not even close. Let's not forget that Summoner's response to the gigantic post was agreeing with "everything except the part where he's scum". That's the best possible way to sweep it under the rug -- and apparently it worked? -- just agree with everything except the part where you're scum. Then you don't have to, you know, rebut it or anything.
Um. Well the entire post was filled with arguments about Summoner being stupid
and scummy, so ain't that a hell of a thing to agree with? Here I'll be nice and quote the part where I summed up everything I felt Summoner did up to that point. Remember, he agreed with
everything except where he's scum!
KEEKEE said:
0. Summoner literally refuses to answer any question directed at him or make any post resembling something containing substance.
1. Summoner made us wait until the night before deadline day for his "real" post, which was clearly just a bunch of random bisections chopped out of the thread.
2. To these clearly random selections, he affixes a canned response which, far more often than not, didn't even make sense in the context of what it was questioning.
3. Occasional jabs on the level of middle school playground arguing peppered in here and there, intended to pass as actual original thought.
4. What few statements actually make some sense are parroted from various other players.
5. Even giving his poor (to be polite) questioning an A for effort, it also is the kind of stuff you need to ask at the start of a Day. Or game. If at all.
5. (b) And we only managed to rip this fluffy crap out of him by making him our lynch candidate the night before deadline. Wow. Trés protown, oui oui?
6. He managed to say all of that while still dodging questions asked of him earlier.
7. He managed to say all of that while making no actual case.
7. (b) He managed to say all of that while pointing to no suspects or fresh strings of conversation.
8. He managed to, in other words, do the exact same thing he has been doing from the beginning of the game: Dodge questions, tunnel, and be stupid.
*snip*
So, do all those dots connect to a townie? I sure as hell don't think so.
Here's what I really think Summoner did: He tried a gambit of portraying himself as a player of the caliber that he can read any player like a textbook in bifocal print. Think about it. Think about all the time of ours Summoner wasted by doing this, and all the meaty conversation he avoided by posting the same crap over and over again.
He tried to be obtuse, allowing him to hide behind a crap playstyle, and now it has backfired, and he's flailing about, trying to portray it as some grand "master plan". Guess what, Scummoner? If you were actually fishing for reactions, maybe you should have collected them and posted about them before the penultimate night of deadline?
Oh wait.
You didn't point to these reactions which you were supposedly testing for. Not a single one.
Hmm! That doesn't look inconsistent, or like a blatant lie, or anything else! Certainly not an idiot being scum!
So if Summoner agrees to everything except the part where he's scum, he's agreed to blatant lying, deliberately dodging questions, deliberately avoiding conversation, feigning scumhunting, constant parroting, and a million other things that I would find kind of scummy
in isolation.
Does that look townie to you? It sure as hell doesn't to me.
What would have happened if we lynched Summoner? Likely, we'd have dead scum, and
our power role wouldn't be out on ****ing D1. If he by some ungodly abomination manages to flip town, then he was the worst townie I have ever seen, and I'd be grateful we don't have to worry about him making it to lylo. We'd also have erased a whole lot of WIFOM for D2 -- What does it mean that Summoner is still alive? Blah blah blah blah. Overall we'd probably waste D2 doing what we should have done on D1.
Blargh.
Don't think I'll be on tomorrow, sick johns, but other half should. But I'm really astonished that people instantaneously let go of Summoner like that, and I certainly don't think it's a coincidence that a whole lot of worst case scenario stuff started happening shortly thereafter.
