Grab release options

[Ishiey]

Really? Short people are forced to air break if we grab them out of the air?... Looks like we're gonna have fun with this thing ;D

 

[Goldenadept]

i guess it makes sense, but they'd have to be super short, wolf has a bad back and crouches because of it

 

[Choice]

he doesnt slouch when he's grabbed someone but yea they have to be pretty short. i think wario is as tall as it gets. if its at the edge though its all free game. of course the only gr that works at the edge is side b.

 

[Goldenadept]

so who does that work on, wario, olimar, G@W, fox? pika squirtle, jiggz,
anyone else?

 

[Choice]

i dunno i havent actually tested it. i just try to grab people in the air and look at their feet.

 

[Goldenadept]

oh well i'm too lazy to test all of them, which is good, it almost looked like the wolfs were working on something. which is not nearly as important as make believe first name crews and the like

 

[Seagull Joe]

Bump for good reason. This thread should be stickied honestly.

 

[tekkie]

what about ground release stuff :I

 

[Seagull Joe]

what about ground release stuff :I

Fsmash or Ftilt Lucas.

Any attack to Ness.

Nothing else is guaranteed, but you can grab release and predict. Like just grab release and charge a dsmash or sit in shield then punish. Etc...

 

[pulse131]

i keep forgetting about this. i think it should be utilized more. i never ever ever see it in vids. this and footstool to gimp in combination with shine, etc.

 

[pulse131]

ive tried countless times and i cant get the dacus on pika. you sure about that one?

 

[Seagull Joe]

ive tried countless times and i cant get the dacus on pika. you sure about that one?

Yes, but it's really hard.

 

[Judo777]

Even tho i dont think wolf can force an air release on anyone its still worth learning because (same with sheik) there are only about 3 chars that GR DACUS works on every time however a few like diddy and sonic can be if they hit up while breaking out of a grab i think. The fact that people have to worry about not hitting up while breaking out makes people break out of grabs much slower allowing more pummles. If u grab someone one time and they are watchhing for DACUS and they arent trying real hard to break out then pummel em like 15 times (with wolf) then the next time u grab em they'll probably try to break out harder then go for the air rlease stuff. That whole 50/50 guessing game is pretty strong tbh.

 

[castorpollux]

Even tho i dont think wolf can force an air release on anyone its still worth learning because (same with sheik) there are only about 3 chars that GR DACUS works on every time however a few like diddy and sonic can be if they hit up while breaking out of a grab i think. The fact that people have to worry about not hitting up while breaking out makes people break out of grabs much slower allowing more pummles. If u grab someone one time and they are watchhing for DACUS and they arent trying real hard to break out then pummel em like 15 times (with wolf) then the next time u grab em they'll probably try to break out harder then go for the air rlease stuff. That whole 50/50 guessing game is pretty strong tbh.

the one character he CAN force an airbreak on, he doesn't have any options against

 

[Choice]

who can we force airbreak on?

 

[castorpollux]

if we grab olimar in midair, we force an airbreak on him =D

 

[Semifer]

In this case there are two, it works the same for Kirby, and we can SideB him out of air release iirc.

 

[castorpollux]

HOLY CRAp wolf vs kirby 100:0 now =O

 

[Choice]

dangit, for reals my internet is laggin it.

 

[Choice]

now seagull has no excuse for ever losing to chu again.

i dont get why it says that everything works on ganon but then it says only 2 things work on ganon.

 

[TheLastCacely]

can't you spike wario out of a grab release, if they are near the edge?

 

[Ishiey]

^ Yup, any aerial works :3

And Wolf:Kirby is definitely one of my top 3 favorite matchups lol ;D

 

[Seagull Joe]

Bump for necessity for Wolf mains to know @____@.

 

[Zync]

I have this topic stickied to my internet explorer since it was first posted

Also... Vs Marth it doesnt work 100%, he can Up B out of it, but if u have like low % u can counter his Up B with a better atack

 

[MegaRobMan]

Dude you're so right, is there a page with ground release stuff?

Edit: I just read page 4, lol poor lucas and ness.

 

[Laem]

there's no character wolf has a guaranteed air release on right?

 

[_Kain_]

there's no character wolf has a guaranteed air release on right?

NO cus he's gay and holds everyone close to the floor. ****ing ******* wolf

 

[Semifer]

If you grab Kirby, Jiggs or Olimar when they're airborne they are forced to air release. It's weird but yeah.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Woah, that's great news. Air release vs Olimar and Kirby is a guaranteed side B.

 

[Ishiey]

Air release vs Jiggz is a free 5 dollar lunch fair/uair. Kills her at some ridiculous % if your fair is fresh lol, poor Jigglypuff.

Olimar gets hit backwards by sideB, right? I don't find that to be so useful unless you're someplace where you won't SD by going for it (generally pretty rare)

 

[Zync]

Most people mash to get out so yeah... its still easy even if u cant force it, just tooling at your opponets controller helps, and if they arnt trying to mash out, you can pummel like 15% then dthrow for a total of 27-30% damage

 

[Seagull Joe]

I was watching Semifer vs Luigi Player just now and he tried to Gr>Fsmash, but Fsmash doesn't work because Diddy goes too far. Dacus works though Semifer lol.

 

[Zync]

Seagull even if he did DACUS he would have failed i think.... at high percents diddy can DI away the dacus out of GR, only the first hit conects and the second one misses.... i just came from playing my diddy neighbor lol

 

[Semifer]

I was watching Semifer vs Luigi Player just now and he tried to Gr>Fsmash, but Fsmash doesn't work because Diddy goes too far. Dacus works though Semifer lol.

Just asked Yika, stutter step Fsmash is guaranteed, I just failed in that case =O

 

[Seagull Joe]

That makes sense because when I tested this stuff I never tried stutter stepped Fsmash's.

 

[Ojih~Sama]

Seagull even if he did DACUS he would have failed i think.... at high percents diddy can DI away the dacus out of GR, only the first hit conects and the second one misses.... i just came from playing my diddy neighbor lol

cant u follow up a DI'ed upsmash with an aerial tho? Whenever i up smash my opponents sometimes they do DI out but i can hit them with a bair uair, maybe fair

 

[Semifer]

Yeah, even if they DI out of the Usmash they are in bad position and you have a good chance for followups.

 

[SinisterB]

Nothing huge, but Lylat gives us more options when it's tilting down (you're up a little higher)for Air Release. Certain GR's can turn into SideB spikes. Haven't really tested it thoroughly but I wanted to mention it. Has anyone else tried it?


inb4whogoeslylat.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Nothing huge, but Lylat gives us more options when it's tilting down (you're up a little higher)for Air Release. Certain GR's can turn into SideB spikes. Haven't really tested it thoroughly but I wanted to mention it. Has anyone else tried it?


inb4whogoeslylat.

I don't think the tilting affects Gr combos for Wolf. He always holds people's feet on the ground cause he sucks.

 

[Ishiey]

Tilting can affect it. Same with YI. And Lylat is awesome :3

*insert whining about how Wolf can't guarantee an air release on any character*