Grab release options

[Seagull Joe]

- Dacus or Fsmash
- Dacus or Side b
- Side b
- Dacus
- Side b
- Side b
- Fsmash
- Dacus
- Nothing
-Fair, Up b, Bair, Uair, Nair, Side b not sweetspotted, Dair overstage.
- Side b
- Side b
- Side b
- Nothing
- Nothing
- Side b (Needs to be frame perfect)
- Side b
- Side b
- Side b
- Side b
- Side b
- Nothing
- Side b, dacus
- Fsmash
- Anything (don't air release Ness anyway)
- Side b
- Side b
- Dacus, Side b
-Fsmash
- Side b
- Fsmash, Dacus, (don't air release Lucas anyway)
- Side b
-Nothing
-Nothing
-Nothing
- Dacus
- Fair, Uair
- Side b
- Fsmash, dacus

Note: Dacus-the timing on this is ridiculous out of a grab release. Also some Side b's depend specifically on the frame. Ike's is frame perfect for example. If you miss the Side b then you didn't do it frame perfect. All things listed work 100% of the time if you do them on the perfect frame. Some work very easy and have many frames. Some work hard and are little frames too work with.

 

[Ishiey]

Fair and uair work on Jigglypuff, I'm pretty sure.

Good to see all the DACUS going on. You're 100% on these, right? I think Squirtle also gets hit by it, but not sure.

 

[KRDsonic]

So DACUS is hard to hit with out of grab release? Hmm... if it's anything like Sheik's DACUS out of grab release, then hopefully it'll be easier for Wolf.

 

[ArcPoint]

Who can Wolf actually force a jump release on?

 

[Sesshomuronay]

Good stuff seagull.

I'm not sure if wolf can force an aerial release on anyone. I think he can if its over a ledge or something to do with grabbing them out of the air.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Fair and uair work on Jigglypuff, I'm pretty sure.

Good to see all the DACUS going on. You're 100% on these, right? I think Squirtle also gets hit by it, but not sure.

Yeah, your right Ish. I didn't even think of this. My brother was the jigglypuff just in case. He tried to Di and everything, but fair and uair both hit everytime.

Edit: Tested everything on a real player and success! All things listed work. Some need to be frame perfect like Olimar. Though its cool we can Fsmash Falco. 50-50 matchup now?

 

[Ishiey]

Too bad we still can't force air breaks :<

Are you absolutely positive that DACUS doesn't work on Squirtle? I thought that with his weird animation it would be possible

 

[Seagull Joe]

Too bad we still can't force air breaks :<

Are you absolutely positive that DACUS doesn't work on Squirtle? I thought that with his weird animation it would be possible

Squirtle releases fast enough for an fsmash, but sooooooooooo fast. He falls so fast out of it so I cannot dacus him. He just powershields it. Maybe its possible. I can't do this frame perfect on squirtle.

 

[Gindler]

Which way does flash send snake out of air release?

 

[Seagull Joe]

Which way does flash send snake out of air release?

Depends on when you hit him, where you hit him, and where he DI's. I got the side b spike sometimes, but most of the time he just got knocked back away from me.

 

[5ync]

To force a air release you just have to hit the oponent like once or twice and then let them strugle out of the grab dont you?


Very interesting data here Seagull....

 

[Seagull Joe]

I'm bumping this for relevance to people doing this stuff. I do this **** now in matches. Yeahuhzz.

 

[Captain Sa10]

I've been working on it a bit as well. Had to remap my controller for easier DACUS so I can it off for the lulz. Although, Im also becoming slowly addicted to camping with my balster as well @.@

 

[Ishiey]

I just wish people would be dumb enough to air break :<

And camping is good. Bad, but good... yeah. Still waiting for someone to invent camping while looking cool though

 

[Ingulit]

I realize this is a decent bump, but considering that DACUSing out of an Air Grab Release was discussed, I was wondering if using BDACUS would make this any easier, or if it lets Wolf combo out of Grab Release on more characters. I'm only bumping since BDACUSing was just recently discovered.

 

[pulse131]

this is saucesome. never thought of dacus out of grab release

 

[Commander_Beef]

Too bad we still can't force air breaks :<

Meh it doesn't matter if we can;t force air breaks because the majority of the time they will be trying to break out. Trust me, it's 2010 now and I know you posted this last year. Things have changed lol. They'll be mashing out, and once they do, they'll air release.
We can just keep pummeling, like 5-6 pummels until they finally break out, and BOOM!!

Great research Seagullman...

 

[audauro]

WE can force airbreaks =O

 

[Commander_Beef]

WE can force airbreaks =O

How can we force air breaks then?

 

[audauro]

If we catch olimar when he's in midair, we can force an airbreak!!!

 

[SelfPossessed]

How airbreaks are done might be misunderstood. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=272018 indicates some discrepancies, but offers no solution yet.

 

[audauro]

hahahah i knwo how airbreaks work... i just don't really want to share =O its not compli.cated at all

 

[tekkie]

hahahah i knwo how airbreaks work... i just don't really want to share =O its not compli.cated at all

share it mang :O

 

[Destrawr]

This adds a whole new idea vs MK and Snake now, especially if the MK planks or the snake recovers close...easy KOs.

 

[Ishiey]

On what actually goes on with grab releases:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=272018

 

[Commander_Beef]

Also another thing to add about how to force an air release. And any character can do this.
If somebody grabs somebody else with the opponent's body hanging over the ledge, they'll air release every time. It's logical anyway, would would they ground release in thin air lol.
So on the last stock on the opponent, if they are sideB'able, we can end the game off of ones on the sideB list. Wait for kill percent though...like 130-140%. Just grab them with them hanging over the ledge, and wait for them to release.

 

[Ingulit]

Also another thing to add about how to force an air release. And any character can do this.
If somebody grabs somebody else with the opponent's body hanging over the ledge, they'll air release every time. It's logical anyway, would would they ground release in thin air lol.
So on the last stock on the opponent, if they are sideB'able, we can end the game off of ones on the sideB list. Wait for kill percent though...like 130-140%. Just grab them with them hanging over the ledge, and wait for them to release.

So that's (I didn't include Wario):

Snake
Ice Climbers
Marth
Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Lucario
Olimar
Pit
Toon Link
Kirby
R.O.B.
Donkey Kong
Luigi
Peach
Charizard
Ivysaur
Ike
Mario
Ness
Yoshi
Zelda

 

[tekkie]

Just grab them with them hanging over the ledge, and wait for them to release.

this is still a bit situational but at least its something to think about

 

[Ishiey]

Lol yeah, I try to end friendlies with a dashgrab at the ledge so I can flash them ;D Good clean fun.

 

[Commander_Beef]

Oh wow I thought these air release combos were guarenteed.... nevermind then. haha

 

[Seagull Joe]

Oh wow I thought these air release combos were guarenteed.... nevermind then. haha

All the ones listed on the OP are guaranteed. You can't really combo after doing a side b, fsmash, or usmash regularly. You could follow someone after the dacus though if you wanted too.

 

[Dynomite]

Is this just natural release? or does it have to be ground/air?
I dont know much about Wolf's grab release stuff, but this is rather interesting.
Does wolf have a frame advantage over other characters like bowser has a 10 frame advantage?
Does wolf normally make people ground or air break. (i havnt really checked when i grab people if their feet are off the ground or not.)

 

[Choice]

if you wanna make sure you air release. look over at someone's controller while you're pummeling. or if the character's feet are off the ground they're gonna air break too. dash grabbing people to the edge of platforms works as well.

 

[Ishiey]

Wolf slouches a ton, so everyone should ground release unless they jump from the struggle or are hanging off the edge. We have the standard 30 frames of lag after a release though, nothing special there :<

 

[castorpollux]

Wolf slouches a ton, so everyone should ground release unless they jump from the struggle or are hanging off the edge. We have the standard 30 frames of lag after a release though, nothing special there :<

WRONG!!!

if we grab olimar out of the air it's a forced jump break!! (too bad we dont have any grab releases on him though)

 

[Choice]

if we grab anyone out of the air thats kinda short its a forced air break. like wario gets forced air break.

just look at their feet!

 

[Goldenadept]

what guaranteed follow ups do we have on wario from an air break? dacus and anything else?

 

[Choice]

air break on wario = usmash, utilt, fair, dair, bair, nair, uair, shine haha. i dunno just **** him if he air breaks.

 

[castorpollux]

air break on wario = usmash, utilt, fair, dair, bair, nair, uair, shine haha. i dunno just **** him if he air breaks.

Don't believe him. He's not a pro like barracudadrifter

 

[Goldenadept]

sounds like barricuda should MM choice to settle this unneeded rivalry