Golden Sun: The Lost Age (of) Mafia -Game Over! Indy Alex wins!

[rid****ulous]

Clash in ideology I guess. I'd say you should wait until you have a confirmed scum flip from IR and take things one step at a time before you call out a player and make them answer for actions you think are scummy in the context of a scumflip you haven't even gotten yet.

Might just be me though.

I don't have to see IR's scumflip to know that Inferno is already under the assumption that IR is scum. My point being that Inferno thinks IR is scum, thinks he's connected to us, and thinks we're town. There's an inconsistency there. One of those reads is not like the other, because it's not genuine.

 

[Kantrip]

12. Rid****ulous (PJB/Orbo) - Town. Noticed IR say something about protecting Rid**** today the best he can. I will have to look into this more depending on IR's flip.

You're getting all that from this. I think it's really reaching hard to say that Inferno is trying to say that you are scum on an IR scumflip. What I got from this was that IR has made comments about you, and these comments could have a bearing on his read on you, depending on IR's flip. Where does he say IR scum = you scum?

 

[rid****ulous]

The wording used in that last sentence pretty heavily implies it kantrip. "id have to look into this depending on (his) flip

 

[rid****ulous]

what other bearing could it have on his read on us? Is he gonna think we're town based on IR's flip? In what world would that be a logical line of thought? He already thinks we're town, so IR's flip couldn't actually affect his read unless it was to say "I think they are scum together based on IR's defense of Riddick".

Come on dude, if you've got a reason to think Inferno is deffo town, then out with it. Why the hard defense of him?

 

[Kantrip]

I think you're gonna be town based on IR's scumflip, but I see what you're saying. He already has a townread on you, it's not like it's gonna jump anywhere but in a scummier direction.

Eh, I wanna see IR's flip before I feel certain with my direction.

 

[rid****ulous]

Ryker you were just viewing. Speak yo

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

By god i am tempted to hammer

Also hi guys.

Reading now

 

[rid****ulous]

Claim first. I want those since we're only getting partial flips. Also 48 hour wagon to l1

 

[Kantrip]

Claim first. I want those since we're only getting partial flips. Also 48 hour wagon to l1

This. Don't lynch without claim.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Liking the gheb wagon a lot right now.

was there stuff people wanted to ask me ?

 

[Raziek]

Votecount 2.1​

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Note: Vote trails will be done on a day-by-day basis for convenience and to avoid a mess.​

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1. Inferno3044 > IR​

3. Red Ruy: Ryker > FT​

4. Scylla & Charybdis (adumbrodeus/Swiss hydra): IR​

6. Anomandaris_Rake: FT​

7. traveling cat: Ryker​

8. Potassium: IR​

9. Furio Tigre (BarDulL/Nabe): FF > IR​

10. Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb_01):​

11. Ryker:​

12. Rid****ulous (PJB/Orbo): IR​

13. Frozenflame751: FT​

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Current Count:​

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Inglorious ******* (5) (L-1) : S&C, Potassium, Furio Tigre, Inferno3044, rid****ulous​

Furio Tigre (3): Rake, Frozenflame751, Red Ryu​

Ryker (1): traveling cat​

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Not Voting: Ryker, Inglorious *******​

 

[rid****ulous]

Inferno read based on the.past page and a half or so

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Eewww at Inferno's reads and reasoning to be on Gheb.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I was gone all weekend. I'm reading now.

 

[rid****ulous]

Hammer shouldn't happen till after rykers done and gives reads.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How about someone invites so no one does something stupid?

 

[rid****ulous]

Iunno keeping him at l1 till he claims will be cool.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So, we're at L-1 on a weekend?

Kantrip can burn still.
Inferno can also burn.
Rake being in Swiss's pocket makes him either town or Swiss's scummate. Rake isn't on a scum team if he's not scum with Swiss.
Furio is town. Would bet on his alignment.
Gheb isn't acting outraged and furious that people want to lynch him over BSL's claim and WL's actions. That's all I have to add on the subject. Everything else has been said and I agree with the prosecution, particularly #825 where S&C said "Oh Gheb. We've all been in that situation before." That's mafia 101.

Ryker put at arms length with a widgy washy stance on inactives.

This accusation is hilarious.
Legitimately remember nothing from PJB/Orbo.
FF is incredibly null to me, which is bad.
TCat is also null.
S&C should be lynched if they're alive on Day 4 unless I change my mind before then.

 

[Kantrip]

Ryker's reads are really bad.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker's reads are really bad.

Defend that assertion, if you please. It's the second time you've said that without explanation.

 

[Kantrip]

Second time? Really? When was the first?

Okay, how about this. Rather than pick it apart, you tell me why I can die and why Furio is irrevocably town. The S&C paranoia is to be expected since you're not confident enough to read them, I won't knock you for the Inferno hate, and your assertion that Rake is in Swiss' back pocket is intriguing. Also there's the fact that you've failed to get a read on ridic, who have been quite active.

Basically I'm most interested in your read on me and on Furio. Feels like you want me and Inferno dead for convenience sake and don't actually believe it, but I'll see what you have to say.

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno you already think that ir is scum, but say we might be scum if ir scum. What? Looms like a backdoor to me.

I never said that. It's something I want to keep in mind after IR's flip. If I'm wrong and IR is town, then that statement can mean something different.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

hey guys, sorry our slot hasn't been extremely active, ive been extremely disconnected with gheb due to a terrible work schedule and haven't been around so hes been holding down the fort while i dont have time

@gheb ill get at you after work today, i doubt you'll see my messages on skype

 

[Kantrip]

Could you claim while you're here? You're at l-1

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryker's reads are really bad.

Odd I'm the opposite, I don't 100% agree but his reads are pretty on pair with mine.

 

[rid****ulous]

I never said that. It's something I want to keep in mind after IR's flip. If I'm wrong and IR is town, then that statement can mean something different.

No it doesn't. That statement's meaning doesn't change based on IR's flip. That statement says "Looking at riddick based on IR flip". IR can flip three possible things, town, mafia, or indy. Which one is the scenario where you look at us?

 

[rid****ulous]

Also, what does IR's alignment tell you about us? If you're gonna look at us, what're you looking for? If he's X, then obviously you suspect us of being Y. What are X and Y?

 

[Kantrip]

So JTB leaves...

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

So, we're at L-1 on a weekend?

Kantrip can burn still.
Inferno can also burn.
Rake being in Swiss's pocket makes him either town or Swiss's scummate. Rake isn't on a scum team if he's not scum with Swiss.
Furio is town. Would bet on his alignment.
Gheb isn't acting outraged and furious that people want to lynch him over BSL's claim and WL's actions. That's all I have to add on the subject. Everything else has been said and I agree with the prosecution, particularly #825 where S&C said "Oh Gheb. We've all been in that situation before." That's mafia 101.

This accusation is hilarious.
Legitimately remember nothing from PJB/Orbo.
FF is incredibly null to me, which is bad.
TCat is also null.
S&C should be lynched if they're alive on Day 4 unless I change my mind before then.

I had hoped for something useful.

Try again.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

To make it painfully clear to everybody here.

Gheb dies toDay.

Ryker and Inferno have just come back into play. They could easily throw dirt up and make someone here forget the Gheb wagon and head off because oh we can't pressure an inactive.

Gheb has a solid scumcase on him, his play matches up to scumplay and a flipped scum has incriminated him.

He is the play toDay and I do not permit anybody to unvote, vote elsewhere, attempt another wagon or in any other way jeopardise this lynch.

 

[rid****ulous]

Pretty sure Rake is ready to hammer as soon as we get a claim out of him.
Though now that I think about it, the claim is really only useful if he ends up being town. It's not like a scummer is gonna claim what his real power is and give us info about what we managed to remove from play.

I dunno, I could take or leave the claim, personally. "Get claim before you lynch" is a reasonable enough policy, but it's kind of "wutevs" in this case. If Gheb isn't claimed within 24 hours we should just go for it.

In the meantime, what do think of Inferno, S&C? You interested to hear what he meant by his read on us? Is he a good place to start toMorrow?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss how do you find scum Ryker?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Pretty sure Rake is ready to hammer as soon as we get a claim out of him.
Though now that I think about it, the claim is really only useful if he ends up being town. It's not like a scummer is gonna claim what his real power is and give us info about what we managed to remove from play.

I dunno, I could take or leave the claim, personally. "Get claim before you lynch" is a reasonable enough policy, but it's kind of "wutevs" in this case. If Gheb isn't claimed within 24 hours we should just go for it.

In the meantime, what do think of Inferno, S&C? You interested to hear what he meant by his read on us? Is he a good place to start toMorrow?

I (Swiss) don't care for the claim. I have no particular issue giving him the chance, incase I am wrong, but think it unlikely. I have no issue waiting 24 hours provided no-one unvotes for any reason, even after the claim. If we cancel the lynch it will be by my explicit consent.

Inferno is a perfectly acceptable push toMorrow.

 

[rid****ulous]

We're on the same page then.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Swiss how do you find scum Ryker?

I find him nauseating.

Oh, you mean how do you pin scum Ryker.

Rely on mechanics and my read. It would be a monumental (and largely useless) effort to explain how I read him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I find him nauseating.

Oh, you mean how do you pin scum Ryker.

Rely on mechanics and my read. It would be a monumental (and largely useless) effort to explain how I read him.

I dunno, you did this fine in Halloween/harry potter mafia where he tried to double take on a cop looking at him.

Outside of mechanics I'm not sure what you are saying here.

 

[Swiss]

Yes, I can read Ryker, but explaining to you, how to read him would be remarkably difficult. Hence, rely on my read of him. I think perhaps you misconstrued my meaning.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

We're Garet and our ability is called Guard. By targeting a player at Night we power him up so he needs +1 vote to get lynched. We've used this ability on Ridic and heavily breadcrumbed that we did so. Unfortunately this town consists of a bunch of incompetent tools who exclusively sheep the most awful hydra ever. That alone should tell how awfully wrong you've all been about reading our slot.

There doesn't even exist a legitimate case on us, that's the saddest part about all of it. Kantrip is the dumbest and scummiest of the waggoners and should be lynched toDay.

Vote Kantrip

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

We're Garet and our ability is called Guard. By targeting a player at Night we power him up so he needs +1 vote to get lynched. We've used this ability on Ridic and heavily breadcrumbed that we did so. Unfortunately this town consists of a bunch of incompetent tools who exclusively sheep the most awful hydra ever. That alone should tell how awfully wrong you've all been about reading our slot.

There doesn't even exist a legitimate case on us, that's the saddest part about all of it. Kantrip is the dumbest and scummiest of the waggoners and should be lynched toDay.

Vote Kantrip

Attempting to play to the vulgarity he's known to exhibit as town.

Role can't be proven. You can do this every night phase?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Why Ridick at all.