Golden Sun: The Lost Age (of) Mafia -Game Over! Indy Alex wins!

[Furio Tigre]

Dat reads list will be up lata. I haven't eaten today an' Tres Bien is callin' me! Gonna get me a lobsta lunch special! But it will be up ta-night or ta-morrow.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Furio Tigre

I hate his #796

 

[rid****ulous]

What about it ruy

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Furio's right about a BSL + IR team not making a lot of sense. If his points don't convince you then please take a look at the whole "IR moving away from BSL" scenario and ask yourself if this kind of play doesn't make perfect sense for a townie: A player claims to have a Cop ability and two sources - Ryu and JTB who both know the flavor - confirm independently from each other that the ability, the name of the ability and the character name all add up with the flavor to a plausible claim. I think it's pretty fair to say that a townie who doesn't know BSL's alignment would've had all reasons to second-guess that lynch. It just so happened that Rake counterclaimed a few post after that but how were we supposed to know? The last thing you see happening in flavored games is a name getting counterclaimed. As it stands, that scenario makes perfect sense with townIR but makes none at all if you assume that BSL + IR are aligned.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

IR, what's your position on Kantrip now with WL/BSL flip?

Nothing's changed for the time being. They might've had pretty telling interactions yesterDay but we have need to be sure that it's not Washed simply talking weird to Kantrip in order to make it look like there's a connection where there is actually none. Either case is a possibility too look out for because it makes Kantrip look either good [if Washed was just trying to fake a connection to make Kantrip look bad in case of a WLslot flip] or very bad [if Kantrip was responsive to it in a transparently distancing manner] but JTB and Gheb didn't get to talk about it yet. Once we talked it out and still think Kantrip is scummy we will bust out quotes and all. If this doesn't happen you can assume that we're not going to pursue his lynch anytime soon.

[...] also it's very doubtful that scum doesn't have name safeclaims. Further adding to this is the fact that the key word mind read had already been used in a way that should've been obvious to any halfway intelligent scumteam. So why the claim, what were they looking to accomplish?

Very interesting that you're leaving Rake out of this, especially re: bolded. If you think it's "very doubtful" that scum does not have name safeclaims then how does it make sense to you that Rake was still able to counterclaim correctly? What reason do you have to assume that scum *does* have fake nameclaims facing this fact?

WL spent a lot of time mentionin IR and not doing much with it .

Feel like washed may have been sitting on gheb.

Is that something Washed would do as scum ?

Read some of Washeds posts about IR an tell me what you think

ScumWashed - knowing who is not mafia - can make anybody look bad post-flip by meatriding somebody or making points that look like weak distancing in retrospect. Let's assume he did that to you - would you think it's justified if people tried to base a read on you on that? Do you think that such a read has a good chance of being accurate? Feel free to look at it though, all you'll find is Kantrip being whack as hell talking about me when I actually have nothing to do with it and have pushed and supported his lynch all Day. He could've randomly chosen anybody he wanted to for this and you would still not be able to actually work with it because the player you're trying to find something out about is not doing anything actively but is just passively being talked to in a manipulative manner.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

EBWOP:

Feel free to look at it though, all you'll find is Kantrip being whack as hell talking about me when I actually have nothing to do with it and have pushed and supported his lynch all Day.

Replace Kantrip with Washed in this post

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Regarding IR's scumreads, other than Kantrip we're interested in the Ridic push yesterDay. After rereading his slot IR feels affirmed that Ridic is town and will continue to give him our support and do what we can to make his lynch less likely than it was yesterDay. What's worth noting is that Orbo and PJB in particular are often the two players that scum tries to push mislynches on because their defensive outlook towards mafia makes it look like there might be a way to make them the scapegoats for something. This has happened at least in Toonami, Hardbody and kinda in BiM 2013. IR thinks it's very likely that this might've happened yesterDay and will look at people who actively pushed Ridic. Once JTB and Gheb have exchanged their reads on this matter we're likely going to push either Kantrip or a Ridic waggoner.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Oddly finding Furio's points concerning IR/WL better than IR's.

Thing is I still don't like how washed interacted with you throughout the day, IR.

He spent a lot of time mentioning you early, then did nothing with what he was pushing about you, he disappears and when he comes back he doesn't have a word about you essentially. Why would he drop off ? To me, I think he wanted to be seen scumreading you. I can point out what I mean if I get a day off.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And it's weirder because in the context of the time Washed came back, IIRC you had been more involved in posting and all that, and yet, of the minimal things Washed did before replacing (I will give you that he did not do a lot regardless). You'd still think that he'd try to explain why he lost his early fervor for you, because you were brought up by him early, and not in the same way he threw Kantrip and Kevmo around

 

[Inglorious Retards]

I know what you mean but my main point remains untouched: he could've picked anybody he wanted to and it would still not be something to base a read on.

Assume my position in this for a moment: somebody tries to make it look like he's scumreading you, looking pretty fake in the process. Then it turns out that that player is a scumbag. Suddenly people start to think there's a connection between him and you and consider the possibility of you being scum together because distancing mightve been involved. Of course you know there's no connection at all because you've never actually had anything to do with it. All that happened is that somebody who happens to be scum pretended to read you as scum to make it look like you've been distancing yourself from him. Do you understand what it means to be in that position? What would your argument be if that were to happen to you?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Didnt end up scorin a day off.

Will get to this whenever im off work

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

And yes I know that position and I have considered it thats why im airin these thoughts without votin you. Im tryin to work out from my pov as well that what your sayin matches my feel for it.

How do you feel bout cuttin the dead weight that is ryker ?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

IR, why are you expressing ignorance of this really basic scumplay? I'll spell it out, I'm suggesting that scum claimed Ivan with an investigative role with the express purpose of getting an investigative role CC, BSL was pretty much a dead man anyway.

No, we're not assuming Raziek is braindead.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

S&C: Mass name claim?

No.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

I'm done speakin' to ya because you ain't makin' sense. I want other people to comment on dis interaction and give their take on da play today. I will say tho dat if IR flips Town at any point in da game, youse a dead man.

Quivering.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: Inglorious *******

Spending all their time explaining why they don't have a connection with WL except for a tiny bit they've allocated to "we'll look at his connection with Kantrip, and when we find out he's scum we'll tell you why".

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

wont be doing this tonight.

8 hours of regular work an then getting asked to help my friend move across the city and only getting to a comp now = me passing out.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I still think dat FF is a good play. I ain't against beating up on inactives if dat's what needs to be done. Dat bein' said, Ryka, get yo *** inta dis joint! An' I want some substantiation from EVERYBODY, I ain't dealin' wit no vague **** wit people playin' safe, dat ain't right! People needa get their hands dirty or I'ma get ferocious! I'll even post a gorfdamn reads list if I hafta.

Still wanna hear more from Rid****, don't know why people thinkin' dis dude is off da hook when he was bein' weird yestaDay.

This post bugs me.

I hate how he presented it with the wording.

FF read is restated for no reason

Ryker put at arms length with a widgy washy stance on inactives.

Tells everyone to give substance just prostrating fluff.

Wants more from Ridic with no new thing to press on him.

Fake post is fake.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

IR, why are you expressing ignorance of this really basic scumplay? I'll spell it out, I'm suggesting that scum claimed Ivan with an investigative role with the express purpose of getting an investigative role CC, BSL was pretty much a dead man anyway.

No, we're not assuming Raziek is braindead.

This is why I am skeptical of you and Rake ATM.

It's giving me vibes back to Pojemafia with Ryker and Laundry.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Inglorious *******

Spending all their time explaining why they don't have a connection with WL except for a tiny bit they've allocated to "we'll look at his connection with Kantrip, and when we find out he's scum we'll tell you why".

There is pressure on them, do you think them addressing it as they did was not proper?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss/Adumb tell me why you too think we should all vote IR.

Tell me in your words about their day 1.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Swiss/Adumb tell me why you too think we should all vote IR.

Tell me in your words about their day 1.

All his most recent posts have been clear scumtells.

I will go into detail on my lunch eta 5 hours.

 

[Kantrip]

There is pressure on them, do you think them addressing it as they did was not proper?

I don't think anything's proper, but IR is scum

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

I don't think anything's proper, but IR is scum

Be clear.

Is he scum.

Or are you saying to me, unequivocally "Swiss, lynch this guy now".

You know I'll know that you know what I know you want me to know.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

I doubt it was a vig shot, but at the same time Kevin being killed by mafia is also odd.

I want Ryker dead because he is a dead weight right now and doesn't sit well with me now that Kevin was revealed town.

First sentence, it's a very telling shot. Look at the scenario surrounding us. Kev (claimed miller) was shot because scum knew he wouldn't be protected - this in itself gives us an insight into the scum leaders mind, they're a safe, somewhat cautious and calculated player. So it wasn't Ryker that made this call (or me GG towntell). A ballsy scum shoots for me or FF, a noob scum shoots for me or Ryker. This scum shot claimed miller Kev. They wanted to be sure the shot went through and believed Kev enough of a threat (again shows experience) - also believing he'd be townread soon enough (more townpoints for Swiss GGGGGGG).

Who fits this personality trait? Ghebbycakes & FF.

Second sentence, RR - wat - analysis plz.

I haven't had an issue with any of his other posts that I remember. This is the one that comes to mind when I think of WL. Overall, I don't like him, but at the moment, I would much rather kill Kev or kill Kantrip. If Kantrip flips scum, look at Laundry. If Kantrip flips town, look at Adum.

Sill awaiting full analysis on as to why buddy.

WHAT! If youse don't think I'm scum, then I'm da other, right? What else could I be if I ain't scum?

Don't be obtuse, you're burden enough as it is.

Vote: Inglorious *******

Good vote GG this hydra.

I got a question for domokun lata, but I ain't gonna dish it just yet. I'm makin' a point of it here 'cause it will undoubtedly become a point of contention. Jus' know dat I'm pretty sure I know's where youse goin'.

Ask or don't ask - don't prance about pretending to be sly.

Also learn to establish who is posting before making guesses - it makes you look silly.

Bardull, your attempt to indict ridic over pure semantics is just... jesus, this is an old ranmaru level move and it's especially bad cause I'm pretty sure you believe it. This has run it's course and we're getting nothing but distraction, so let me explain.


There are a number of ways to say "null", and in most cases they're equivalent unless they tie into an individual-specific intent town or scum intent.

Ridic made it very clear that he had a null read, and his choice of ways to say it reads null to me, but your argument had nothing to do with intent.


So, could you actually try to do something productive? That would be great.

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGG THIS HYRA.

ON ****IN' POINT.

Rake, Swiss/Adumb, what have you guys been talking about in your neighbor QT?

Well I claimed scum to Rake and told him I shot him. Then analysis of who posted the letter plus slagging off Chibo and OS for being bad. Oh we have lots of reads as well.

Ahem.

While this kinda fruitful back and forth is, I wanna check this.

Oooooooooooh now this is odd.

You have my interest, RR.

Adum VS Bardull useless. Don't stoop to that Adum.

Yo Inferno what's your read on me?

Jesus

S&C: Mass name claim?

Christ Almighty.

Hi I'm Potassium and today I'll be playing like a ****in' ******.

You right, dat was a mistake on my part in illustratin' my views on IR. Thing is, IR is suspicious, there ain't no question regardin' dat. But what don't make sense is how he played yestaday IF he's scum wit BSL. Dat's just too obvious. Scylla/Char not explainin' demselves or fully explainin' why it makes sense for ScumIR to take da HUGE risk an' act as BSL's savin' grace by attemptin' to move' da town in a different direction is awful, an dey're subsequently settin' demselves up for gettin' away wit murder if he flips Town. Dat's why I want dem to substantiate demselves, because if we jus' let S&C keep pointin' da finger while we ain't raisin' a voice against dem, dey could just walk right into a victory as scum an' lead Town to ruin. Dat makes da slot anti-town an subsequently a menace. An for da record, havin' people mindlessly sheep causes lackluster information to come inta circulation cause den we ain't hearin' peoples thoughts. Dis ain't no dictatorship, youse feel me?

I don't like youse answer to my question.

You are saying my slot is anti-town. (I'm sorry for pushing the WL lynch)

You are an idiot.

Now either attempt to do something about it (lol) or shut up. I sincerely doubt you will gain much following from this playerlist.

Aaaand RR just voted you. Ridic thinks you're an idiot, as do I. My money is on FF not backing you up. Remember that thread power you were fishing for? You've thrown the last of it away. Submit.

ScumWashed - knowing who is not mafia - can make anybody look bad post-flip by meatriding somebody or making points that look like weak distancing in retrospect. Let's assume he did that to you - would you think it's justified if people tried to base a read on you on that? Do you think that such a read has a good chance of being accurate? Feel free to look at it though, all you'll find is Kantrip being whack as hell talking about me when I actually have nothing to do with it and have pushed and supported his lynch all Day. He could've randomly chosen anybody he wanted to for this and you would still not be able to actually work with it because the player you're trying to find something out about is not doing anything actively but is just passively being talked to in a manipulative manner.

Oh Gheb.

We've all been here before. I feel for you, I really do.

Hardly your fault (control your scumteam plz) but we both know you can't live after that. Word for word, I think I've had to use the same reasoning in the past - there's nothing else you can do in this situation.

He made the link, and it isn't bait. You're scum.

Regarding IR's scumreads, other than Kantrip we're interested in the Ridic push yesterDay. After rereading his slot IR feels affirmed that Ridic is town and will continue to give him our support and do what we can to make his lynch less likely than it was yesterDay. What's worth noting is that Orbo and PJB in particular are often the two players that scum tries to push mislynches on because their defensive outlook towards mafia makes it look like there might be a way to make them the scapegoats for something. This has happened at least in Toonami, Hardbody and kinda in BiM 2013. IR thinks it's very likely that this might've happened yesterDay and will look at people who actively pushed Ridic. Once JTB and Gheb have exchanged their reads on this matter we're likely going to push either Kantrip or a Ridic waggoner.

Bolded is important - looking for allies asap as he knows he's in trouble.

Underlined of note for very similar reasons, quickly extending olive branches to avoid a wagon.

Dafuq at bolded above then suggesting he woudl push Ridic as a lynch, assuming he meant Ryker which would be the choice I'd make in scum shoes.

I know what you mean but my main point remains untouched: he could've picked anybody he wanted to and it would still not be something to base a read on.

Assume my position in this for a moment: somebody tries to make it look like he's scumreading you, looking pretty fake in the process. Then it turns out that that player is a scumbag. Suddenly people start to think there's a connection between him and you and consider the possibility of you being scum together because distancing mightve been involved. Of course you know there's no connection at all because you've never actually had anything to do with it. All that happened is that somebody who happens to be scum pretended to read you as scum to make it look like you've been distancing yourself from him. Do you understand what it means to be in that position? What would your argument be if that were to happen to you?

Again very defensive, argues exactly the same case as above.

Vote: Inglorious *******

Spending all their time explaining why they don't have a connection with WL except for a tiny bit they've allocated to "we'll look at his connection with Kantrip, and when we find out he's scum we'll tell you why".

One day, you might actually be mediocre. Good vote, good reasoning.

This is why I am skeptical of you and Rake ATM.

It's giving me vibes back to Pojemafia with Ryker and Laundry.

More detail.

If you're unsure on my slot you might cost me a doc protect. I'm town and you will blindly follow me 'till my faction town win.

There is pressure on them, do you think them addressing it as they did was not proper?

Nope.

Wake up.

Potassium > RR.

What is the world coming to? Next you'll be telling me Dastrn has returned and doesn't get lynched D1 as scum.

 

[rid****ulous]

Wanna see irs response before I make my evaluation of this.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'll wright somethin up today on IR 2 ish

Dont know votecount likely votin gheb when I get home and check

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

*votin IR derp

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

All his most recent posts have been clear scumtells.

I will go into detail on my lunch eta 5 hours.

I want this info from you because it helps me read you.

I really like how you handled the reading of Washed D1, the thing that has been making me second guess this is the neighbor stuff and Rake CCing Ivan. I do think scum trying to find a cop CC is a possible scenario, likely, yes. But There are only four slots in this game I think would put BSL up to do it, and you're one of them.

Other's being Ryker, Gheb and Frozenflame. Washed would too but the replacement situation doesn't bold well he did come up with this himself, rather one of his mates did for BSL.

I don't think the other people in this game would set up a plan like that.

First sentence, it's a very telling shot. Look at the scenario surrounding us. Kev (claimed miller) was shot because scum knew he wouldn't be protected - this in itself gives us an insight into the scum leaders mind, they're a safe, somewhat cautious and calculated player. So it wasn't Ryker that made this call (or me GG towntell). A ballsy scum shoots for me or FF, a noob scum shoots for me or Ryker. This scum shot claimed miller Kev. They wanted to be sure the shot went through and believed Kev enough of a threat (again shows experience) - also believing he'd be townread soon enough (more townpoints for Swiss GGGGGGG).

Who fits this personality trait? Ghebbycakes & FF.

Second sentence, RR - wat - analysis plz.

I've been scum with Gheb twice and I do think he goes for safe shots, idk about FF about how he handles shots. I wouldn't count out Potassium(Kantrip) or Bardull/Nabe on this though. I think they could fit this, though I'm leaning town on Kantrip atm so I am willing to throw him out of my pool for now. Rest not so much. Thinking about it now with actual sleep and me not posting from my phone at work on a midnight shift, I don't think Kevin would have been lynched with how Washed handled the situation. Kinda makes sense now actually reading this and thinking about it.

Ryker's issue is that he is not posting and I never trust the mod to replace them early enough, even more so with recent games I've done around here. Biggest one that made me urk was Prisoners Dilemma where inactive Kuz sat in the game for almost 2 weeks of not posting, almost 2 day phases worth of time. I hate inactives because they will bite me in the ass and they have before.

When Ryker was on Kevin, he outed him, but on top of it, went for the "he is more likely scum and this action benefits scum more" I didn't see that to be the case when Kevin did his crumb. More so Ryker went for the more likely scum situation, instead of pressuring it to get a decent read if he went for that outlit right away.

Also, @mod: prod Ryker

Well I claimed scum to Rake and told him I shot him. Then analysis of who posted the letter plus slagging off Chibo and OS for being bad. Oh we have lots of reads as well.

LOL.

Oooooooooooh now this is odd.

You have my interest, RR.

Adum VS Bardull useless. Don't stoop to that Adum.

No it's not, it's very telling for connections, that back and forth was not staged and shows clear disconnection between the two slots. Emotional, ego clashing, reads.

That is fruitful to me for reads.

More detail.

If you're unsure on my slot you might cost me a doc protect. I'm town and you will blindly follow me 'till my faction town win.

Ryker and Laundry in PokeMafia were scum together with a newbie scum Panta/Panda? I forget the name. Ryker had a one shot poison which he fired at his own scummate to clear himself and let him and Laundry ride to endgame as neighbors.

It was a ballzy gambit and it paid off. I can see the same happening here, potentially. Especially from you, who has admitted to being a fan of two scum claiming neighbors with each other. You could be fitting this situation seeing a bus and using it to make an end game for your team, we don't know what Menardi does, no role is made clear when someone flips unless they claim it.

Other situation you are scum and playing Rake right now. This is the more probable situation if you are scum, but I am paranoid of the former which I do think is a legitimate possibility.

This is something I could see as possible, probable I am not sure of, this is why I am asking you for you reads on Gheb. I will support his lynch, but I want to make sure people have legit tells or not.

Also nope, you gotta earn that doc protect. This does ruin your thread power a bit, but you can easily earn that back, and most likely a doc protect if you can show your reasoning to be on IR and not tell it.

Show, don't tell.

Nope.

Wake up.

Potassium > RR.

What is the world coming to? Next you'll be telling me Dastrn has returned and doesn't get lynched D1 as scum.

Don't be obtuse.

I didn't ask him for guidance on IR, I asked him to get into his thought process more, if he thought of the opposing situation or not. If you thought that...why? Kantrip wouldn't be the first one I would ask for guidance on IR. We wasn't the one who started the wagon and he is not the one of the voters I would ask about that.

Kantrip didn't tell me anything on how IR would go about this if how he did it was right given the situation. Instead he gave me a vague statement with telling me IR is for sure scum. I'm looking for connections, how he answered was what I was looking for, not his guidance on if IR is scum or not.

He is a town lean, yes, but I play for long game and I play under the assumption town can be wrong.

 

[Raziek]

@Request for Ryker prod:

Game opened on a weekend, kid is never around on weekends. If he hasn't posted by Tuesday I'll prod him.

 

[Kantrip]

Be clear.

Is he scum.

Or are you saying to me, unequivocally "Swiss, lynch this guy now".

You know I'll know that you know what I know you want me to know.

I agree with you, but me calling him scum isn't for you.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

@Request for Ryker prod:

Game opened on a weekend, kid is never around on weekends. If he hasn't posted by Tuesday I'll prod him.

Nope.

Request Replacement of the Ryker Hydra.

His activity falls below your pre-stated thresholds and is quite simply offensive to you and other players in the game. I'd suggest you replace the slot (don't forget this is a hydra) asap lest other players start going inactive in your games in future. Don't be a weak mod.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

I agree with you, but me calling him scum isn't for you.

I do enjoy this game sometimes.

I look forward to enlightenment in lategame.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

RR will comment when I get home, leaving work now.

 

[Kantrip]

Furio might be mafia traitor

Has Inferno answered me yet?

RR not scum unless S&C are, still unlikely

 

[Raziek]

Nope.

Request Replacement of the Ryker Hydra.

His activity falls below your pre-stated thresholds and is quite simply offensive to you and other players in the game. I'd suggest you replace the slot (don't forget this is a hydra) asap lest other players start going inactive in your games in future. Don't be a weak mod.

And I'd suggest you back off and I'll run my game however I please, thanks.

I will replace him if and when I feel it necessary. I'm not going to do so just because the man has a life on Sunday and didn't post much D1. The day has JUST STARTED.

 

[Kantrip]

Reassessed, me vs ridic is TvT.
Rake leaning scum if IR is scum. His question on the last page that is pretty damn rhetorical smells like distancing and he is setting up to vote IR on this page without actually doing it yet. Cautious bussing.
RR, S&C town.
Ryker getting all his reads wrong and not being here. Probably shouldn't be playing in this game.
Furio is probably just annoying but his covering for IR as blatantly as he is could be a mafia traitor move. The way IR is interacting with Furio suggests they are NOT scumbuddies. I think I just don't like the slot.
Inferno needs to get back to me. Read will hinge on his forthcoming statements.
FF? I think he's who I'm missing. I can't remember a thing.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yes, and tcat.

Hmmm. Town? Yeah, sure.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR will comment when I get home, leaving work now.

Fair enough Swiss but quote this separately.

Do you understand what I proposed to you?

It is one I can only offer once.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

And I'd suggest you back off and I'll run my game however I please, thanks.

I will replace him if and when I feel it necessary. I'm not going to do so just because the man has a life on Sunday and didn't post much D1. The day has JUST STARTED.

Ryker is town, ta x