Golden Sun: The Lost Age (of) Mafia -Game Over! Indy Alex wins!

[rid****ulous]

what evidence do you have indicating that to be the case though? Like, I get that it's a possible scenario, but assuming that's what happened for no reason doesn't make any sense.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Vote: Frozen Flame

I ain't even heard youse speak on D1, an youse come in an' try to waltz with the tiger?! Youse gonna owe me money now.

I don't like how youse tryin'a buddy Rake. I ain't gettin' youse vote either; youse ok with answerin' my question, but youse votin' for me? I ain't understandin' youse approach. Frankly, you ain't in no power position, so youse gonna have to run yo **** by me first or we ain't gonna have a party.

Riddick, while I know youse say dat you think I'm Town now, I ain't satisfied wit dat answer. I feel like youse tryin'a backpedal outta a mistake so youse sayin' I'm Town now, but I wanna know what your original thought process was for thinkin' I was scum. Jus' 'cause some people think I'm Town don't mean youse should just throw your thoughts away, dat's just weak sauce right dere.

 

[Furio Tigre]

I don't get why youse say youse think IR is a slight town lean, but then youse leave a backdoor by sayin' dat youse need to read still. If youse need to read still, den why youse votin' for people? Youse smell fishier dan Riddick.

Rake, youse got the tiger out, now I wanna hear why youse be thinkin' what you thinkin'. If you jus' throwin yarn balls around, den know dis: I ain't no cat. Youse gonna be dismissed right from da get go, youse know what I'm sayin'? Youse lookin' good after the CC, I ain't denyin' dat, but I ain't got time for dumbtown, youse know what I'm sayin'? We also got bigga fish to fry, and when I say bigga, I mean much bigga; I ain't got no full stomach!

 

[Furio Tigre]

Dat first paragraph of da second post was directed at FrozenFlame, by da way.

 

[rid****ulous]

I didn't say you were town. I specifically said you weren't. At work

 

[Furio Tigre]

No i don't think you are scum anymore. I don't.
know that you are town yet, but I was being bugged by surface level stuff that isn't really indicative of scummy behavior.

WHAT! If youse don't think I'm scum, then I'm da other, right? What else could I be if I ain't scum?

Why youse busy playin' semantics and not answerin' the question either? I don't get your transition from null to scum at all, and you keep on avoidin' the question like the plague.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Vote: Inglorious *******

 

[Furio Tigre]

I got a question for domokun lata, but I ain't gonna dish it just yet. I'm makin' a point of it here 'cause it will undoubtedly become a point of contention. Jus' know dat I'm pretty sure I know's where youse goin'.

 

[rid****ulous]

It's called a null read.
Not fully answering because I'm at work.

 

[Furio Tigre]

It's called a null read.
Not fully answering because I'm at work.

Aight, I'm gonna help you out a bit 'cause I ain't no prick, so here's da deal: when youse unsure about someone's alignment, youse don't say "I don't think youse scum," youse say "I ain't sure about youse alignment." You got dat? Dis way youse don't give me the impression dat youse thinkin' I'm Town, and you subsequently don't hafta look silly by sayin' you nevah thought I was town, youse feel me?

Answer me fully when you done wit work, I ain't tryin'a get you da express train if youse know what I mean.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

What do you want to know specifically tiger man.

Im on a phone so I dont have all my notes but I can still prolly address specofic stuff till ufc starts

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Oh. Why im votin you

Its partially gut partially the fact I dont like how wl singeled out the bardull head of your hydra.

Theres other stuff, like why it should take me votin you towake your soul.

Care to tell me whos scum beyond FF ?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Bardull, your attempt to indict ridic over pure semantics is just... jesus, this is an old ranmaru level move and it's especially bad cause I'm pretty sure you believe it. This has run it's course and we're getting nothing but distraction, so let me explain.


There are a number of ways to say "null", and in most cases they're equivalent unless they tie into an individual-specific intent town or scum intent.

Ridic made it very clear that he had a null read, and his choice of ways to say it reads null to me, but your argument had nothing to do with intent.


So, could you actually try to do something productive? That would be great.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

IR needs votes really badly.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rake, Swiss/Adumb, what have you guys been talking about in your neighbor QT?

 

[Furio Tigre]

Bardull, your attempt to indict ridic over pure semantics is just... jesus, this is an old ranmaru level move and it's especially bad cause I'm pretty sure you believe it. This has run it's course and we're getting nothing but distraction, so let me explain.


There are a number of ways to say "null", and in most cases they're equivalent unless they tie into an individual-specific intent town or scum intent.

Ridic made it very clear that he had a null read, and his choice of ways to say it reads null to me, but your argument had nothing to do with intent.


So, could you actually try to do something productive? That would be great.

WHAT! Youse puttin' words in my mouth copper; I ain't ever said I was trying to indict Riddick, the hell? Youse not reading at all. I'm tryin'a understand why he said I was scum and den said I was somethin' else. I ain't makin' no judgment call yet! On another note, youse throwin' him under da rug for NO apparent reason outside da fact dat he's on yo **** when it's clear dat da Orbo head of the hydra is fishy as all hell with his tossin' an turnin'. Youse the one bein' stupid, aDUMBrodeus, and I know it's you 'cause even Swiss ain't dat stupid!

An for da record, anyone with a brain would understand dat it's easy to get confused when someone says "I don't think youse scum" and den says "I think youse null." NEWS FLASH: dere is no "null alignment." If you don't think someone is scum, youse think they Town. If someone is null, den you don't think they ain't scum because you ain't leanin' one way or da other! It's called having good english. He ain't made it clear at all!

Adumb you just need to stop postin' an let things roll out. We got a long day phase, quit tryin'a undermine me when I'm doin' good work. An if you keep it up, then I'ma have to roll you flat! Don't forget dat we all have PRs; I ain't afraid to pull somethin' out if I have to!

Here're da facts: we need to clear out all da little discrepancies. When dat's dealt with, goin' for IR ain't a problem. 'Til then, you shut yo damn mouth or you replace out, there ain't no gettin' of dis train I'm on!

 

[Furio Tigre]

Oh. Why im votin you

Its partially gut partially the fact I dont like how wl singeled out the bardull head of your hydra.

Theres other stuff, like why it should take me votin you towake your soul.

Care to tell me whos scum beyond FF ?

I'm thinkin' IR as well, but dere's somethin' dat don't add up. I'll jus' ask my question now since Adumb is pissin' me off.

When you look back at IR's play, IR was definitely leanin' on moving away from BSL and on to better targets. It was very clear an evident what he was doin'. But da question is, would IR be dumb enough to set up a connection like dat? Is IR actually scum wit BSL and set himself up for problems knowing all along dat BSL was claimin' somethin' dat wasn't even a real claim? Dat's way too risky! You guys really think dat IR would do somethin' like dat?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Bardull, the only reason why it wasn't clear he had you as null was YOUR lack of reading comprehension.

If you don't like the slot then discuss something other then the fact he had you as null since last day phase, a fact that apparently only you were unaware of. Get a reason that actually makes sense rather then your silly semantics.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Lookin' at older play, da Gheb half of da hydra has been known to hard bus at times. Dis ain't evident at all here wit what happened. If IR is scum, he tried to save BSL, but if BSL's intent was to pull out a strong PR wit his Ivan claim or perhaps take a huge risk an hopin' dat Ivan wasn't in the game, who in their right mind would set demselves up for connections like dat? It's way too damn obvious.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rake, Swiss/Adumb, what have you guys been talking about in your neighbor QT?

Ahem.

While this kinda fruitful back and forth is, I wanna check this.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Bardull, the only reason why it wasn't clear he had you as null was YOUR lack of reading comprehension.

If you don't like the slot then discuss something other then the fact he had you as null since last day phase, a fact that apparently only you were unaware of. Get a reason that actually makes sense rather then your silly semantics.

You still don't get it. I ain't playin' semantics. I was tellin' HIM to be more clear, whether or not his english was comprehensible enough or not is irrelevant to a potential scum read. Hence, I was throwin' him a bone with the correction. An' for the record, you think him not bein' clear with his lingo is indicative of scum alignment? It could be a backpedal. Dis **** happens all the time when people post vague **** an then say "OH WAIT THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT YOUSE JUST MISINTERPRETIN' IT!"

Either way, the dude had me as SCUM, aDUMBrodeus. An then he went to null. Magically. Ain't NOTHIN' changed between dat transition in my posting style. If you can't see the problem here outside of bein' presumably spineless in the face of a dumb bro. If you can't see da problem, then we ain't got nothin' more to speak about.

 

[Furio Tigre]

EBWOP: If you can't see da problem here an think Riddick was jus bein' spineless in da face of a dumb bro, you're leavin' yourself wide open for problems. I ain't about to make dat assumption dat Riddick would sell out dat quick like dat! Dat ain't right! An if you can't see da problem, then we ain't got nothin' more to speak about.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

**** wasn't vague, you're just dense.

The line of events that created the change in his read on you is as clear as day, there's nothing to be gained by hammering away at it. You think it's scummy, well you're dense but feel free to vote him on it.

But stop beating the dead horse, for the love of god.


@your edit: There are ways of switching views suddenly that are scummy, there are ways of switching views suddenly that are townie. If you actually think it's scummy in this case, do an analysis of all the pros and cons of what he did.

Ahem.

While this kinda fruitful back and forth is, I wanna check this.

Rake gave an answer.

Lookin' at older play, da Gheb half of da hydra has been known to hard bus at times. Dis ain't evident at all here wit what happened. If IR is scum, he tried to save BSL, but if BSL's intent was to pull out a strong PR wit his Ivan claim or perhaps take a huge risk an hopin' dat Ivan wasn't in the game, who in their right mind would set demselves up for connections like dat? It's way too damn obvious.

Furio, you're asking the wrong question about the IR slot and the development of the claim.

It's obvious that BSL didn't have Ivan as a safeclaim, also it's very doubtful that scum doesn't have name safeclaims. Further adding to this is the fact that the key word mind read had already been used in a way that should've been obvious to any halfway intelligent scumteam. So why the claim, what were they looking to accomplish?

 

[Furio Tigre]

I ain't dense. For da record, adumb, your incessant underminin' of people's intelligence is dense. You think anyone actually LIKES you when you do dat? I remember doin' dat at one point in time, but den I realize it was da most counter intuitive thing I could do. Even if it's true, it's negative, it ain't anything positive, and no one wants to deal wit dat ****, dey jump up and dip instead, but I ain't got no qualms rubbin' it in yo face until you realize it's not breezy. Maybe some day you'll stop bein' dense an' understand dat no one likes dat ****, especially from you when youse ain't done nothin' impressive!

It wasn't clear. Bottom line, an there's really no denyin' dis, sayin' "I don't think youse scum" AIN'T THE SAME AS SAYIN' "I don't know what youse allignment is." I can't believe youse contestin' dis! Just stop while youse behind!

I DON'T KNOW IF HIS SWITCH IS SCUMMY OR TOWNIE YET, DAT'S WHY I'M ASKIN' DA QUESTION! Man, youse just full of silliness today, ain'tcha? Da obvious pros of doing dat as scum is dat he wanted to change course when youse questioned him to avoid youse eyes. How're you dis dense? An if he's Town, he's ridin' ya while not substantiatin' himself at all, makin' himself easy pickin' for scum! If youse Town dis game, youse would have da brains to let people speak an to not order everyone around 'cause dat causes information to seep through the cracks!

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Beating a dead horse does nothing for town, that's the point. You're not asking for new info, you're asking for for the same info 50 different ways and drowning out everything else around you. Difference between information and noise, does the difference make a difference? The more noise you create, the better the position you put scum in.

As I thought, that's why your questions have no substance, because you don't understand what attributes make a switch scummy and why. But the only way you're gonna learn is if you try your hand at it.



Talk about that final section, there's information there.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

IR could be a very real thing .
WL spent a lot of time mentionin IR and not doing much with it .

Feel like washed may have been sitting on gheb.


Is that something Washed would do as scum ?

Read some of Washeds posts about IR an tell me what you think

 

[Furio Tigre]

I ain't askin' da wrong question, youse bein' dense again. Let me lay it on you hard so you ain't gonna forget.

Firstly, youse makin' da assumption dat Rake's "mind read" crumb was obvious. I ain't never played Golden Sun an' so I didn't see it. Maybe scum didn't see it, den came up with da claim an' never reread to see if dere was an Ivan crumb. Dat **** would have happened to me! Maybe people even skimmed over Rake's posts an missed it.

Here're da facts: BSL claimed. IR tried to move da lynch away from BSL. We both know dat BSL's claim was fake. It also wasn't a safeclaim 'cause duh, it wasn't safe. Dis leads me to believe dat da scum team was lookin' for a trade, which they was, but I don't think dat dey was gonna trade with Rake knowing full well dat Rake was Ivan.

Dey probably took da chance dat Ivan was Cop an' wanted to draw out da cop on they ways out. But IR's play wasn't required to draw out Rake! If dey was makin' a trade, it would have been all fine an' dandy 'cause people was movin' away from BSL after his claim. Even I was 'cause it seemed like a legit claim! Why was IR's play necessary dere? Youse surface readin' an I ain't likin' it.

 

[Furio Tigre]

Beating a dead horse does nothing for town, that's the point. You're not asking for new info, you're asking for for the same info 50 different ways and drowning out everything else around you. Difference between information and noise, does the difference make a difference? The more noise you create, the better the position you put scum in.

As I thought, that's why your questions have no substance, because you don't understand what attributes make a switch scummy and why. But the only way you're gonna learn is if you try your hand at it.



Talk about that final section, there's information there.

He never explained himself you dumb broad! You tired a' me callin' you dumb yet?

I ain't gonna delve into somethin' as pointless as dis, but for da record, everyone's different, there ain't no specific way a' playin' scum an playin' town, what he did could go either way, it's about whether or not his rationale makes sense for him to do what he did an "feels" correct. Dis game is about developin' trust an' we both know it; askin' questions an' tryin'a understand why people doin' what they doin' is what Mafia's all about. Youse just bein' dumb an' tryin'a undermine me but youse already lost dat route.

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Scum is probably 3 people and they used the same term (mindreading as an ability compared to rake saying reading your mind).

Now then, what's the natural reaction to a claimed investigative at L-1?

Now, what relevance does what IR did afterwards bear to the whole thing?

 

[Furio Tigre]

I ain't followin' you, why don't you explain your big theory and actually sell dis lynch THE RIGHT WAY by, ya know, explainin' how ya arrived at da conclusion dat IR was scum, insteada bein' cryptic an' hopin' dat I make a buncha assumptions about how youse thinkin'?

 

[Scylla & Charybdis]

Nope, you're being dumb bardull .

If you can learn to understand how people think you can learn to analyze whether or not actions make sense. Feeling is mere surface analysis.

To be quite frank, my view on your play isn't unique to me, there's no purpose to me taking time to undermine you, I'm providing you with advice that I'm hoping will improve your play after you finally are willing to take it.

I ain't followin' you, why don't you explain your big theory and actually sell dis lynch THE RIGHT WAY by, ya know, explainin' how ya arrived at da conclusion dat IR was scum, insteada bein' cryptic an' hopin' dat I make a buncha assumptions about how youse thinkin'?

If I was making a case, I'd make it. You brought up the issue of his motivations and I'm walking you through thinking about his possible motivations in this interaction.

 

[rid****ulous]

Showering, then getting to this page.

 

[Kantrip]

Yo Inferno what's your read on me?

 

[Furio Tigre]

Nope, you're being dumb bardull .

If you can learn to understand how people think you can learn to analyze whether or not actions make sense. Feeling is mere surface analysis.

To be quite frank, my view on your play isn't unique to me, there's no purpose to me taking time to undermine you, I'm providing you with advice that I'm hoping will improve your play after you finally are willing to take it.





If I was making a case, I'd make it. You brought up the issue of his motivations and I'm walking you through thinking about his possible motivations in this interaction.

I'm done speakin' to ya because you ain't makin' sense. I want other people to comment on dis interaction and give their take on da play today. I will say tho dat if IR flips Town at any point in da game, youse a dead man.

 

[Kantrip]

S&C: Mass name claim?

 

[Furio Tigre]

I still think dat FF is a good play. I ain't against beating up on inactives if dat's what needs to be done. Dat bein' said, Ryka, get yo ass inta dis joint! An' I want some substantiation from EVERYBODY, I ain't dealin' wit no vague **** wit people playin' safe, dat ain't right! People needa get their hands dirty or I'ma get ferocious! I'll even post a gorfdamn reads list if I hafta.

Still wanna hear more from Riddick, don't know why people thinkin' dis dude is off da hook when he was bein' weird yestaDay.

 

[rid****ulous]

Rid****, while I know youse say dat you think I'm Town now, I ain't satisfied wit dat answer. I feel like youse tryin'a backpedal outta a mistake so youse sayin' I'm Town now, but I wanna know what your original thought process was for thinkin' I was scum. Jus' 'cause some people think I'm Town don't mean youse should just throw your thoughts away, dat's just weak sauce right dere.

I didn't like your intro against scylla, because it felt to me like it was just empty pisruring with some reaching involved. However, when adum asked me about the intent behind it, i realized there wasnt any plausible scim intent involved and moved you back to null.

 

[Kantrip]

I'd love to see that reads list Furio.

 

[rid****ulous]

Why does ir town equate to scylla scum furio when you've said yourself that ir is a scumpick of yours

 

[Furio Tigre]

You right, dat was a mistake on my part in illustratin' my views on IR. Thing is, IR is suspicious, there ain't no question regardin' dat. But what don't make sense is how he played yestaday IF he's scum wit BSL. Dat's just too obvious. Scylla/Char not explainin' demselves or fully explainin' why it makes sense for ScumIR to take da HUGE risk an' act as BSL's savin' grace by attemptin' to move' da town in a different direction is awful, an dey're subsequently settin' demselves up for gettin' away wit murder if he flips Town. Dat's why I want dem to substantiate demselves, because if we jus' let S&C keep pointin' da finger while we ain't raisin' a voice against dem, dey could just walk right into a victory as scum an' lead Town to ruin. Dat makes da slot anti-town an subsequently a menace. An for da record, havin' people mindlessly sheep causes lackluster information to come inta circulation cause den we ain't hearin' peoples thoughts. Dis ain't no dictatorship, youse feel me?

I don't like youse answer to my question.