Lmao. Glad to be of service.
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Elysium
Smash Lord
So easy it was like all of it never happened huh? lol
Not quite sure what you mean?
Pikaville
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Me and my friends have had drunked conversations about this.....If a bunch of guy friends were gay we could just get drunk,go out and come back and have huge orgys,with little effort.It would be great(if you were gay)To bad were all straight eh!
Trying to get a load of women to have an orgy with you is harder than being a hungry 6 year old boy trying desperately to get sweets out of a small jar with oven mits on.
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I know, isn't it sad?
Darkfur
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Me and my friends have had drunked conversations about this.....If a bunch of guy friends were gay we could just get drunk,go out and come back and have huge orgys,with little effort.It would be great(if you were gay)To bad were all straight eh!
Trying to get a load of women to have an orgy with you is harder than being a hungry 6 year old boy trying desperately to get sweets out of a small jar with oven mits on.
I don't think I'd ever want to participate in an orgy... It kind of cheapens the bond that I view in sex between two people... My boyfriend and I have discussed it a few times, and the most we'd ever consider is he, I, and maybe a very good and very trusted friend... but personally... I don't know if I'd feel comfortable like that as I think I may get rather... uh... jealous.
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Yea, I think it's one of the worst traits and horrible stereotype that people are embracing. It's like how "pimp" when from being a women who controls, manipulates, and abuses women to mean a guy who is good with women.
I doesn't really work like that I'm guessing. It's like when you have female friends who are completely platonic, they don't really want to just bang you all the time, it's probably the same with gay people. Despite what most homophobic people thing, every gay guy doesn't want to **** every guy.pikaville said:
No. Being a PUA is a blast.
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Yeah, placing numerical values on women and viewing them solely as such really is a blast
And would you debate with a university music professor about music theory if you had never learned about the topic?
Also, it's clear you're trying to argue the moral/ethical values of what you proposed - but you realize you can't use "it's not a blast" as an argument there.
edit: to save myself from having to deal with ignorance, the first sentence of this post means: you don't have any idea what you're talking about. do your homework on the subject.
Also, it's clear you're trying to argue the moral/ethical values of what you proposed - but you realize you can't use "it's not a blast" as an argument there.
edit: to save myself from having to deal with ignorance, the first sentence of this post means: you don't have any idea what you're talking about. do your homework on the subject.
Meh. I don't really care. To me it's just people trying to get laid, and there's nothing wrong with it. I've read a little about it, and it's not really about degrading women. It's how to attract them. Saying there are universal things that attract women isn't degrading, it's truth. I realize it's a bit of a stereotype, but stereotype's exist because there's some truth to them.
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Your analogy fails - I don't need to be a pickup artist to understand and criticize the term.
You're really on the ball on this one. It's clear you're trying to pick apart a sarcastic remark I said - maybe being a pickup artist is a blast, have I ever said it wasn't? ........joshisrad said:
Ignorance? Are you kidding me? It's funny.. even you realized your analogy was stupid, that's why you're trying to clarify. I've been with many women - what homework are you referring to? You don't mean..?joshisrad said:
I have to talk in PUA Lingo myself?!
That must be the homework you're referring to. I need to calculate a woman's HB Factor and initiate the gambit - whilst watching for obvious IODs and trying to garner some serious IOIs. Man, what a niquito I am.
Am I doing it right?
It may be simply about guys trying to score, but it's not the methods that are sad - it's the terms and lingo and idea that women are sexual objectsjaej said:
You completely misunderstood the analogy.
Are you serious? Let's take a look:
You affirmed this as sarcastic: your belief is that the opposite is true.
Uh, no. I predicted you wouldn't understand the analogy. And surprise- you didn't.
You have to read up on the art of pickup. How is that difficult to understand? Just like when you are trying to argue with a music professor about music theory, you should make sure to understand music theory first. You don't have to become a professor, and I never said that you did. The problem is you failed to understand.
That's rich.
EDIT: I don't have time to play around here. I won't **** around back and forth with you on the eve of my birthday anymore. The problem is that you don't understand. You don't understand what it means to be a PUA. You don't understand the analogy. So go ahead and think that we PUAs degrade women. The problem is you, and you are not my problem.
The Masked Z
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The term PUA in itself is a whole loaded term.
While it may be true that there are PUA's that have no ethics with women, there are other PUA's out there that genuinely enjoys being with women and love to give women pleasure.
A friend of mine dates a lot of women, but he doesn't act like a "social robot" in situations with women (such as instead of seeing 2 girls at a table you see a 2-set, always trying to find the buying temperature, etc).
I've seen PUA's with high ethics, and everything is never really black and white.
Just remember, the vast majority of people take more pleasure in seeing others fail than to succeed. So there always will be haters out there. Just remember, who's reality do you live in: yours or other people's opinions?
IMO, the whole HB number system is not the greatest system to follow.
Everyone's taste is different, so don't go by what society thinks is an HB 10. Go by what YOU think is an HB 10.
And honestly, the only numbers you should ever use is a 0 and a 1.
0 if the girl is incompatible with you.
1 if the girl is compatible with you.
That's all that matters.
While it may be true that there are PUA's that have no ethics with women, there are other PUA's out there that genuinely enjoys being with women and love to give women pleasure.
A friend of mine dates a lot of women, but he doesn't act like a "social robot" in situations with women (such as instead of seeing 2 girls at a table you see a 2-set, always trying to find the buying temperature, etc).
I've seen PUA's with high ethics, and everything is never really black and white.
Just remember, the vast majority of people take more pleasure in seeing others fail than to succeed. So there always will be haters out there. Just remember, who's reality do you live in: yours or other people's opinions?
IMO, the whole HB number system is not the greatest system to follow.
Everyone's taste is different, so don't go by what society thinks is an HB 10. Go by what YOU think is an HB 10.
And honestly, the only numbers you should ever use is a 0 and a 1.
0 if the girl is incompatible with you.
1 if the girl is compatible with you.
That's all that matters.
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DeLoRtEd, don't bother. After reading up on pick-up artists, they are quite trained to combat pretty much anything criticism of their culture. The ideology is not that they are objectifying women but that they are using psychology to attract women that would otherwise normally not go for them due to preconceived notions on the girls part. Girls play mind-games, so this book gives guys that same edge as the women have. However, I completely disagree with their mindset to use this female attraction to get laid, which is the goal of many PUA.
In short DeLo, you are fighting a battle of misogyny and he has home turf advantage.
In short DeLo, you are fighting a battle of misogyny and he has home turf advantage.
Red Exodus
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I have no idea what PUA is, made I should google it. I think it's stupid. General advise is ok but a whole book about dating and trying to get laid? Please, if you wanna get laid so bad pay a hooker.
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Heh, you can always just refer to me as del - my name's based off the rapper, anyway
And yes. I realize that they figure it's all psychology and reading mindgames - after reading joshisrad's last post, this was obvious.
It's still hella sad though
Black Waltz
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delorted, we do not try to degrade women. dont you see that women also try to degrade men? they use us as "boy toys" and manipulate us into doing whatever they want; think of it as repaying the favor. and who knows, maybe women have their own secret seduction community!
QFT, that basically sums it up.
and ps: im not really a PUA in the sense that i want to get laid with every HB in the school, more in the sense that im trying to attract an HB and get in a relationship with them.
and @crimsonking: we're not that defensive towards you openly bashing our culture, but you dont have to say we're morally/ethically wrong.
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I agree completely with you, but you are using logic and feelings to outdo someone who obviously ignores logic and feelings.
I read a post somewhere (on mASF I think) that women actually do have their own secret seduction society. And I'm sure it's about as rare to run into members of as ours.
Most good smash players have positive attitudes about self-improvement. I feel the same way about being a PUA. It is highly social, and rewardingly so.
Crimson, who are you talking about?
Most good smash players have positive attitudes about self-improvement. I feel the same way about being a PUA. It is highly social, and rewardingly so.
Crimson, who are you talking about?
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It's called Cosmopolitan
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My response was meant to Del.
The Masked Z
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Logic and feelings are two different things.
Plus, logic will be used against you in the dating world.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Plus, logic will be used against you in the dating world.
Merry Christmas everyone!
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
like the icecream.
KoreanDJ111
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like the alcoholic drink.
mikeHAZE
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oh, i was thinking Neapolitan.
McCloud
je suis l'agent du chaos.
*shrugs*
Players are interesting. Regular guys are not.
A regular player, however... good lord that's just sexy.
I don't knock people for trying to learn better ways to interact with women; whatever works for you, go for it.
Players are interesting. Regular guys are not.
A regular player, however... good lord that's just sexy.
I don't knock people for trying to learn better ways to interact with women; whatever works for you, go for it.
Any woman with this attitude should be avoided like the plague.
Geez Darkfur, I had no idea you and 'shuu were going through such a rough patch. :x Everything will get better, though. Count on it!
As for the orgy thing, I can't stand them...I don't even know why. Even the porn doesn't seem hot at all to me...maybe it's because it's more lust than love? I dunno.
As for the orgy thing, I can't stand them...I don't even know why. Even the porn doesn't seem hot at all to me...maybe it's because it's more lust than love? I dunno.
McCloud
je suis l'agent du chaos.
"girls flirt with the bad boy, logan. they marry the good guy."
It's human nature. We see it in both spectrums of humanity. Guys enjoy watching movies about hardasses. Every movie is about someone who stands out. In the same sense, girls like men who have something everyone else doesnt. It's the thing i hate about the "he was just a regular guy..." storylines, because he's not a regular guy. he's a regular guy who happened to ___________________ (spiderman.)
In the end, I will say that it's not about having to be a player or a hardass. It's just about having that competence and the confidence.
A lot of what PUA stuff tries to tell guys is about being confident. That stuff's good; the other stuff can be iffy.
It's human nature. We see it in both spectrums of humanity. Guys enjoy watching movies about hardasses. Every movie is about someone who stands out. In the same sense, girls like men who have something everyone else doesnt. It's the thing i hate about the "he was just a regular guy..." storylines, because he's not a regular guy. he's a regular guy who happened to ___________________ (spiderman.)
In the end, I will say that it's not about having to be a player or a hardass. It's just about having that competence and the confidence.
A lot of what PUA stuff tries to tell guys is about being confident. That stuff's good; the other stuff can be iffy.
Elysium
Smash Lord
hahaha, yeah thats true. There's never just a regular guy in the movies, but they always try and make it seem like that.
That's why it's the movies, not real life. All I'm saying is that if you're attracted to someone because of their bad qualities, you need to re-evaluate how you choose your relationships.
autobzooty
Smash Journeyman
why do we all speak for entire genders?
how can we say "girls like ________ guys, and guys like _________ girls."? it doesn't make sense. different people look for different things, right?
how can we say "girls like ________ guys, and guys like _________ girls."? it doesn't make sense. different people look for different things, right?
People make generalizations because they hold true in general (hence the word). Of course not everyone fits the pattern, but most people do.
autobzooty
Smash Journeyman
i'm saying, in my experience, there is no generalized truth. people are totally inconsistent with each other.
Sorry for crashing this thread, but this is just brilliant:
Wait--actually, I do have something to say.
I've already made my mind up about what to do, but I think I'd like to hear what some of you have to say about it:
Two friends of mine were going out. The guy date-***** the girl by forcing himself on her when they were in the car together. She told me, and made me promise not to tell anyone, even the boyfriend who ***** her (that means that if somehow you know who I am and who they are, please forget this). I'm the only one she told, she said.
So, I know what I'm going to do. But I'm wondering what you guys would do. You can ask for more information, but I may not be able to give it to you, seeing as you're just a random person who doesn't have any reason to know certain things.
Congrats, Crystallion.
Wait--actually, I do have something to say.
I've already made my mind up about what to do, but I think I'd like to hear what some of you have to say about it:
Two friends of mine were going out. The guy date-***** the girl by forcing himself on her when they were in the car together. She told me, and made me promise not to tell anyone, even the boyfriend who ***** her (that means that if somehow you know who I am and who they are, please forget this). I'm the only one she told, she said.
So, I know what I'm going to do. But I'm wondering what you guys would do. You can ask for more information, but I may not be able to give it to you, seeing as you're just a random person who doesn't have any reason to know certain things.
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