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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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TooManyToastahs

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I was always suspecting that Doom Eternal would have Animal Crossing content in the Switch Version. It’s either gotta be Metroid or Animal Crossing. Or Both. I’m betting there’ll be multiple Nintendo themed costumes for the Slayer.

A Geno themed one would be cool, but that won’t happen haha.
A Geno themed Doom Slayer costume sounds super cool honestly, they could even do something like when you equip the costume all of your glory kills would make some SMRPG timed hit noises!

oh no. now i want something that won’t happen. what have you done to me
 
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I'm just waiting for the Hyper Nintendo. I mean, we had the Super Nintendo, and the N64 was the Ultra 64 in development. It's just the logical next step.

..Also I'm perfectly fine with waiting until October for Geno as long as he actually shows up.
"...so what, a Mega Nintendo? Ultra Nintendo?"

Nintendo: "...you're mocking me..."

"Maximum-Over Nintendo!"

Nintendo: "**** off doll fan!"
 

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Kind of had an epiphany earlier. You know how March 26th keeps not-so-subtly coming up for major game releases on Switch? The most substantial theory is that this is when the Switch Pro is due out. You know how we have noticed that everything has very notably been delayed 3-4 months? You want to know what 4 months prior to March 26th is? November 26th. You want to know what day that is? Thanks ****in' giving and technically the first official day of holiday shopping! This makes perfect sense for obvious reasons.

If you start applying this to other games, suddenly things start to make more sense. Pikmin 3 Deluxe would have been a summer release just like the original release of Pikmin 3, Age of Calamity would have been a late summer release just like the original Hyrule Warriors, 3D World Deluxe would have been an October release just like Odyssey and Luigi's Mansion 3, etc. What if we applied this to E3 as well? E3 would have started on June 8th if not for COVID-19. Add four months and you get October 8th. Maybe this was the plan all along?
this also means that monster hunter rise/stories 2, as well as disgaea 6 would be holiday titles.
 

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I was always suspecting that Doom Eternal would have Animal Crossing content in the Switch Version. It’s either gotta be Metroid or Animal Crossing. Or Both. I’m betting there’ll be multiple Nintendo themed costumes for the Slayer.

A Geno themed one would be cool, but that won’t happen haha.
Imagine how dope it would be if DOOM Eternal actually comes with an exclusive Metroid-themed suit for the Slayer, AND a brand new collectible doll being none other than a Geno doll. 👀 They could get creative and mix the lore up a bit saying that that particular Geno doll is a parallel version from the one known in SMRPG (not explicitly referring to it like that), and that the celestial being that possessed it was the lingering essence of a Maykr Drone.
 

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YouTube mirror for that great animation-

So I know all is quiet in the Mushroom Kingdom right now, but I just absolutely love this video.

The part where it shows all our wishes makes me tear up every time, and it reminds me that we may not be the biggest community ever, but hot damn if we aren't a loyal and dedicated one!

It may sound weird coming from me and overall sappy, but I love this community so much.

God, I can't wait for Geno to be revealed.
 

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Unless I’m missing something, this just looks like an anonymous poster claiming they made the leak, without any actual prove. By this logic I can say I made Cacomallow without any evidence and that would automatically just make the leak fake.
That's the joke. Nobody has been able to disprove it in almost 10 1/2 months and the main reasoning of "well, it happened too long ago to be real" has been repeatedly BTFO this summer as rumors as old as almost two years finally came into fruition one after the other.
 
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I’m torn on Cacomallow. It’s a super believable leak & it does line up with rumored characters like Geno/Master Chief (Cacodemon could come in a FPS themed set of Miis alongside Chief).

But I don’t think the fact that no one’s claimed it means it’s true either; no one’s ever claimed Grinch leak & that was 2 years ago now.

I’m 50/50 on it. If it wasn’t for the recent stuff regarding insiders & Geno, I’d probably say it’s fake. But there’s a lot going for Geno rn & that Mallow Costume would make a lot of sense to come with Geno.
 

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I understand people are getting antsy about waiting, but this DLC is supposed to end Next December and it needs to be spaced out. Even if we get FP11 in October or November of next year, there is bound to be some waiting at some point, may as well get it out of the way in the dumpster fire that is 2020.
 

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That fan reveal trailer is top notch fan media. I love the beetle chasing theme too. Such a fun energetic melody. And then getting punched in the feels by all the fan wishes. Quality stuff

Edit because I just saw the post above me:
Amazing artwork!
WOW
I might actually prefer that punchinello design more than the original...
 
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I understand people are getting antsy about waiting, but this DLC is supposed to end Next December and it needs to be spaced out. Even if we get FP11 in October or November of next year, there is bound to be some waiting at some point, may as well get it out of the way in the dumpster fire that is 2020.
I'm not sure you are on the same page here.

We are antsy BECAUSE they are very much behind on character reveals.
 

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What I love about the Cacomallow leak is that it still hasn't been disproven and everyone who tried to disprove it was met with a hurdle due to programming limitations, false insider information or poor replications that don't match up to the hats shown (At least one or two small details are always missing). And the Cacodemon hats made still doesn't have any in-game footage. At least the Mallow hat mockup was shown in-game, but the cacodemon still has nothing like it. It indirectly ruined every so-called leaker and insider bit by bit and people are hoping it's still fake because it effectively and possibly may spoil two characters in the pass, losing any would-be surprise or hype or because it's two characters people don't know or care for (See Terry). I still stand by it being real and I also stand by Nintendo being the ones who leaked it themselves, just like the supposed SNK copyright goof. Why let someone else leak your stuff when you can do it yourself and potentially oust anyone who claims to know something or would try to infiltrate your ranks for said information.

And being forgotten or not having its contents released isn't a reason to write it off either. Remember that a character takes a year or so to make, straight from the horse's mouth. Costumes and headpieces are one thing, a full-fledged character that has to function on every single stage correctly alongside any gimmicks and effects and so on that it uses is another. This is also why I don't believe that Bayonetta* won the ballot for the last game and how right I was when Ultimate arrived with K. Rool. That was November of last year and this was before the pandemic though things were already iffy before then.

Only when all the characters are revealed and Geno or Doomguy aren't shown will I accept that leak to be fake. Until then, it's still on the table. That doesn't mean that Geno and Doomguy are playable fighters, it could just be two costumes with no relation to the two. But then...why have Mallow as a hat and then not have Geno's costume shown? Why have the cacodemon and not the Doomguy or Slayer, whichever is the correct term? Vault Boy's costume also raises a few questions, too. Will Bethesda get a character? Ubisoft? Consider that we know nothing about the next announcement or anything since the ARMS announcement in March.

Season 3 of Ultimate may be delayed, but it's going to be interesting to see where this all leads.
 

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Well, this is how I will somewhat feel while the waiting continues.

Really, the COVID situation and Nintendo themselves isn't making it easy, but us fans too is the blame of getting restless.
 
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Decided to look at the Challenge Cup webpage and I found this blurb:

"On or about October 7, 2020, Sponsor will identify the top 20 players based on the Tourney Score accumulated during the Tournament Period. The potential winners will be notified by the email associated with their Nintendo Account on or about October 7, 2020. After verification of the entrant’s eligibility, such entrant will be awarded a prize, as set forth below. If a prize is won by a Minor, it will be awarded to a parent or guardian on the Minor’s behalf. Players with an obscene, vulgar, or otherwise inappropriate in-game player name, as determined by Sponsor, may be disqualified and ineligible to receive a prize."

The tournament is on Saturday September 26th but the winners won't be picked until Wednesday October 7th. Perhaps a little tinfoily but is it weird to anyone else that they're picking the winners in the middle of the week instead of on a weekend?
 

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Here's the thing, you're entire argument here is:

"Monster Hunter is best represented by Monsters" + "making a playable monster is very improbable" thus we won't be getting a playable MH rep (excluding the rathalos costume)

Let's break this down:

-"Monster Hunter is best represented by Monsters": While I agree this is true, "best" is not the same as "only". We have actual instances in many other games where some form of hunter was represented, including other fighting games. This proves that representation BESIDES the monsters can and has been done. The inference of "monsters or nothing" for representation would be an erroneous assumption at best and a fabricated fan rule at worst.

-"making a playable monster is very improbable": I'll totally give you this. With the inclusion of the Rathalos AT and boss, I agree that adding another monster as a fighter would be incredibly improbable and frankly redundant, however, my point above renders this one moot.

-Lastly, and you didn't explicitly mention it in this particular comment, but there was also an argument made that a potential hunter wouldn't be original enough or have a moveset interesting enough to warrant becoming a fighter. This is an entirely subjective view which anyone is welcome to share or reject. Regardless, if Sakurai can make an interesting moveset out of a duck and a laughing dog, or an exercise peripheral, or several animal crossing characters that don't even feature any combat mechanics in their own games, I sincerely doubt he would fail to do something interesting with the hunter if he really wanted to. Any time someone claims, "oh, that character wouldn't get in because they'd be too similar to _____", they're just gatekeeping with assumptions and obvious bias.

It's important to note that most fan rules have at least SOME merit to them, albeit flawed. They try to use some form of logic to justify why characters they don't like won't get in. Now, I must say, I'm surprised to hear that you are such a huge MH fan, yet actively debate against their chances. I suppose we all have our own motivations but none of the arguments you've presented so far can completely dismiss the possibility of a monster hunter being added as DLC. Probable? Maybe, maybe not. But with the whereabouts of the rathalos costume unknown and the fact that a hunter CAN be added as content, I don't see how anyone could shoot down the prospect.
Hey, sorry I didn't respond to this earlier but I REALLY dislike being on mobile in general and I wasn't about to try and address this on mobile as the post you quoted was done on mobile and I was heavily displeased with how it was formatted.

So, let's clear up the first mistake, which is the topic in discussion itself: you believe the discussion to be 'Why Monster Hunter won't get a character in Smash' (sounds like a click-bait youtube video, right?) but in reality, the discussion was not started by me. The original discussion was 'Is Monster Hunter likely to get a character into Ultimate' and while most persons were saying 'Yes!' because 'Monster Hunter just got two games revealed for Switch' which is the age-old 'Game on Switch = Character in Ultimate' argument that has been trashed to the point where it only becomes recognizable by switching the face of the character in question on what seems like a weekly basis (I remember when it was Tracer/D.va because of Overwatch) while I myself was saying 'It's not very likely' because of the evidence laid in front of me and because only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Thus I never even started the argument/discussion, but I am one of the few who thought Monster Hunter has little chance, and my side isn't 'No Monster Hunter rep' as much as it is 'Monster Hunter rep is highly unlikely'.

With that out of the way, let's check out all these points one at a time.

- Obviously this is true, as like I said myself, my argument is that it's heavily unlikely, not impossible. Also, the fact that the Hunter appeared in MvCI is proof enough that depending on the situation they can and will use the Hunter themselves as representation, although I would like to point out that in the story mode during this point heavy focus takes place on trying to save Valkanda from the wrath of the Elder Dragon Dah'ren Mohran, so even then it wasn't just about the Hunter themselves. However, this seems to be the only case in which the Hunter themselves has been represented as I cannot find any other time they have been used, though perhaps I just haven't dug deep enough. However, to back up my argument that they favor monsters over the Hunter for representation...
  • During the crossover event between MHW and FFXIV, MHW got to fight Behemoth while FFIV got, you guessed it, Rathalos. Funnily enough, Square took their own take on what Rathalos armor would look like in the world of FFXIV, to what I have gathered is the dismay of a lot of players as it looks rather generic in comparison to other armor sets in FFXIV.

  • As you well know, Smash 4 got both the Rathalos Armor and the Hunter's Armor (which I incorrectly stated as Default Gear: it's actually one of the first sets you can craft, which is why I confused it with the default gear) as Mii Costumes and Rathalos is an AT and boss in Ultimate.

  • Rathalos and Tigrex showed up in hunting grounds in Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker.

  • Rathalos made an appearance in Dragalia Lost and I believe Rathalos armor is/was available.

  • Teppen, which is a mobile card game that uses only Capcom characters, features three heroes from the Monster Hunter series. They are Rathalos, Nergigante, and a Felyne. No Hunter to be found despite it fitting well into the game, but perhaps it will happen later on? I looked at all the Monster Hunter-themed cards and not a single one of them references Hunters outside of a card called Barrel Bomb with is an explosive Hunters can place down during a battle. The rest are either monsters or references to monsters, be it attacks they use or situations they can cause.
I also found that in Lost Planet 2 you can apparently use Rathalos armor, but all of this proves my point, including Hunter in MvCI as the default outfit is Rathalos armor (secondary is Kirin armor): Rathalos is the posterboy of Monster Hunter, and by extension Rathalos armor is iconic. The big things about Monster Hunter are first and foremost the monsters and how the fight will be like and right behind it is how cool the armor and weapons will be and how good they will be. Thus, it makes perfect sense for Smash to have Mii Costumes of the armor of the most iconic monster and the another armor that is iconic for being one of the first you can craft, and it also makes sense for Rathalos to be a boss (I still get blown away every time he shows up via AT). However, is there a need for more if and when those costumes return? You already have the poster boy of your franchise and two iconic armor sets in a franchise where the monsters and the armor sets and weapons are what matters, not the characters, so do you really feel the need for that? Or do you feel that Monster Hunter has been properly represented already?

Regular folks may say no, but Sakurai and his team and Capcom and the Monster Hunter team could very well think otherwise.

- I'm glad we don't have to argue about this point because it would be silly to suggest a monster could be a playable character. The monsters people love are way too big and broken and the monsters who could work aren't nearly as iconic or favored by the community. If you think Plant was a wacky blow to the community, just imagine a playable Jagras.

- There was never an argument coming from me that a Hunter isn't original enough to be playable, I merely suggested that they didn't offer much we haven't already seen and are kinda generic: A person wielding an oversized, fantasy-styled weapon with lots of tools and many attacks isn't really that new to Smash. This is a weaker argument to be sure, but Sakurai has expressed his desire for the DLC character to truly offer something unique and new to Ultimate, something that isn't already there. To date, we have...
  • Joker, a character who has a temporary buff that is linked to a meter that builds over time and when damage is taken. This buff either augments or flat-out changes moves for a period of time, and he unpowered Down-B allows him to build more meter when hit during its active window. His gun overall is also fairly unique.

  • Hero, who has way too many specials in his Command Menu and can randomly crit on smash attacks.

  • Banjo & Kazooie, who has a Side-B that offers nigh full invincibility but has limited uses per stock and a Neutral-B that has two variations and can fire projectiles rapidly while moving.

  • Terry Bogard, the first character to have both a Forward-B and a Back-B and a mechanic that gives him super powerful moves he can somewhat abuse when his percent is high/health is low.

  • Byleth, a character who wields multiple melee weapons as well as a bow that gives them access to a wide range of abilities as well as an Up-B that is rather unique.

  • Min-Min, a character that is so focused on ranged combat that they almost can't fight up close, has a Neutral-B and Side-B that are nontraditional and completely change how she is played, and a Down-B that swaps weapons mid-combat.
Sadly, adding a Hunter to the game doesn't offer much in terms of uniqueness: Byleth covers hording multiple weapons that function very differently and Min-Min has weapon swapping, which again is something you can't even do in Monster Hunter. We already have characters who buff themselves, characters that can place traps, lots of heavy-hitting fighters with large weapons...whenever I sit down and try to think of something that a Hunter can offer, I come up with things that have already been done, and that is with me seriously sitting down and giving it thought. I know Sakurai and his team can work wonders with characters but it really seems like the opportunity has been lost with Byleth. Once again, a weaker argument, but it was Sakurai's own words that he is striving for uniqueness when it comes to DLC.

Now, if you talk about the spin-offs where they can tame and ride monsters? That is a whole different story.

There is no gate being kept here, merely analysis of information, and this leads me to believe the scales are not in favor of Monster Hunter. Remember, my argument is not 'Monster Hunter has no chance' but rather I am responding to the discussion of 'Does Monster Hunter have a chance' with a reply of 'It really doesn't look like they do, and here is why I think this way.'

Speaking of bias, hopefully you all will understand now that I check my bias at the door when it comes to debates. I have spent thousands of hours on World and was pissed that I missed out on the most recent festival due to being up north on this remodeling project. I lost my **** when I saw the rope bug feature. I love the new platypus monster and I will now be buying my first-ever Amiibo because they now have Monster Hunter Amiibo, and I'm not one to easily buy merchandise that I can't play or wear. This new wave of having games that have dynamic action is amazing for me, and it started for me with Vindictus, but now so many games are taking this angle and I love it and I feel as though World had some bit of impact on this. I would spend hours just grinding resources I needed and even then I was enjoying myself.

With all of this, I don't see a Monster Hunter character coming to Smash. I think Dante and Phoenix Wright have much better chances, but I honestly don't think Capcom is getting a character in this pass. There just hasn't been any real evidence to support that, and it's one of the few things I disagree with Fatmanonice Fatmanonice on. This isn't even the pathetic 'I want it badly, so Nintendo will never do it because they are evil and I can't be happy' mindset: I just simply did research and came to a conclusion. Now you know that my bias, which would be in favor of a Monster Hunter character because I love the franchise so much and I would buy them easily, plays no part here.

I'm of the opinion that you cannot learn, grow, or understand where the other person comes from if you don't check your bias and open your mind to the possibility that you may be wrong and that there may be something to gleam from what the other side has to say, no matter how small.
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Hmm...apart from the Super Mario RPG remake/sequel that's in the works alongside Geno as Smash DLC, are there any other games you hope to see revealed or released? I'm hoping for Doom Eternal and the game Maneater to get their release dates soon
 
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